Posted on 05/02/2007 4:41:20 AM PDT by Phil Magnan
You are exactly right.
I’ve done this in the past, and it’s quite powerful. The argument about “If homosexuality is wrong, why did God make me this way?” vanishes. God made heterosexuals, too. Regardless of the nature/nurture debate, God makes clear the context of acceptable sexual relations. This approach goes far to neutralize those who want us to be seen as attacking one group over another.
Yes, as has been stated, even if homosexuals were to “get married”, it would still be immoral. There is no right way to do the wrong thing. It’s an “abomination”.
All the other “sins” could right themselves by entering into or remaining monogamous in, marriage. Also, Churches do not condone divorce, adultery, or cohabitation. And people do not go to Churches and stage protest insisting they do. Nor do any of those same people create laws forbidding Churches, OR people in the general public, from condemning their behavior as sin.
I kinda look at it the other way around. Universal moral guidelines generally make sense on health and practical levels too.
Societal breakdown and anarchy aren’t nice things.
“the reason you don’t see people organizing to endorse cohabitation, fornication or adultery or demand public acceptance of their behavior is because they already have it.”
In Churches and among people of fait.......No, they do not. And that is where the article is wrong.
I read a book titled Beyond Gay by David Morrison,good read.He was a gay activist but his journey in finding Christ drove him to a different kind of life as a homosexual.
He was a gay activist but his journey in finding Christ drove him to a different kind of life as a homosexual.
Well, okay then!
“In Churches and among people of fait.......No, they do not. And that is where the article is wrong.” According to the article, a full quarter of people claiming to be “Born Again Christians” do, apparently, accept cohabitation. From my own personal observation, I’m betting the percentage is even higher among Catholics. My own brother had a bumper sticker which read, “No Special Rights for Sodomites” —— yet he had to be told by his priest that he shouldn’t be living with his fiancee.
I noticed your conversation regarding anal sex between a married couple. This is coming from a Catholic perspective so you may not totally agree with it. ;-) It is my understanding that one of the reasons that sex between homosexuals is discouraged is because it is that God created man and woman. Man and woman are joined together in the most intimate of ways through intercourse in the sacrament of Holy Matrimony. They are fully united in love of each and God, so much so they are willing to accept the new life that he has brought about. Such methods of birth control, oral sex, and anal sex, distort the purpose of sex as well as things like pornography and masturbation. I derived some of this understanding from a Catholic book which I read regarding chastity.
I found myself in agreement with this article. We must remove the plank out of our eye before we try to tug the plank out of the eyes of others. Romans 1 clearly says that neither adulterers, fornicators, nor those engaging in homosexual behavior will enter the Kingdom of God. It is hypocritical of Christians to go after homosexuals if they themselves are committing similar grave sexual sins. Unfortunately, marriage is being destroyed in our country from all angles. Fornication and adultery have pushed in schools through pushing birth control and teaching kids at a young age about divorced families. Fornication and adultery have been pushed in the media at every single turn. Fornication and adultery have been pushed through lax divorce and abortion laws. Society has now accepted fornication and multiple marriages as a given. The homosexuals are making some leeway in desensitizing the public to their abomination before God. They wish to push it through laws, schools, and parades. Marriage is being destroyed in this country. Homosexuals pushing for marriage is just another chunk off the iceberg of marriage. If we do not turn back, we will move onto sex laws where polygamy, beastiality, necrophilia, and even intergenerational sex are pushed and legalized.
1Co 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
Heb 13:4 Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Other than that, I agree, fidelity in marriage is God's only plan for sexual activity.
Getting away from the religious aspects of it, though, what homosexuals do is disgusting. But it would be their business if they would only keep it to themselves
According to Gay and lesbian database ...the average male Homosexual has the life expectancy of someone from the 1860’s . 50% percent chance to make it to age 65%
Ten Commandments were made to protect us from ourselves....Adulturey made it to the Top 10 and is still a Criminal Offense in the US Military!
That leads to a lot of problems well beyond the real impact of homosexuality.
Did you ever notice that not only Jesus but David and Jesus's disciples did not adhere to the Law of Moses?
In Jeremiah it states that cursed is the man who doesn't continue in every one of these laws to do them. If you honor Sunday as the Sabbath and say you are under the Law then you are cursed. If you believe you are righteous by faith in Jesus than that rule wouldn't apply to you.
Search the bible and see how many men of God in our book committed adultery and then ask yourself why God never called it that.
“Until she had a kid with you”???? That is beyond weird.
I see it as a continuum. Unfortunately, we haven’t seen the extreme end yet. They are working on “inter-generational sex”, and actually bestiality has its afficiandos as well. Nausea sets in if I think about these for more than a second.
The homosexual agenda crowd are part of the entire Sex Positive/destroy family and morality crowd; but you have to admit they are among the most vocal, well funded, and highly aggressive.
This person is so far off the logic scale, he could give lessons...
Firstly, homosexuality is not, generally, a lifestyle choice. It is a pathology, usually resulting from sexual trauma. And btw, I don’t “hate” homosexuals anymore than I “hate” kleptomaniacs or agoraphobes. They need help, and that’s not a religious or moral principle, that’s a fact.
Live-togethers, however, are people who are afraid to get married, or haven’t found the right person, and are afraid of missing out on the goodies of marriage. If a woman is willing to give the best she’s got to give without real commitment, then that’s her funeral. If a man is willing to take advantage a woman’s low self-worth disguised as free-thinking modernity, then that’s his funeral. These are moral choices, but they’re made out of fear. And it seems to me that it’s punishment enough.
What it leads to is feral humans.
By whom? You? In the words of Moe Howard, "Speak for yourself!"
Adultery & cohabitation are no more "accepted" than homosexuality with anyone I know: no one condoning it, and no one being stoned for it.
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