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Why Does the GOP Want a Nanny State
Thoughts | 01Jan08 | Matt Johnson

Posted on 01/01/2008 10:24:08 AM PST by Mensius

After looking at the polling and acknowledging that Fred Thompson has not 'caught fire', I've come to the conclusion that the GOP does not want a limited government candidate. To me this spells trouble ahead for this nation as our founders envisioned it.

The poll defined front runners espouse fixing the healthcare system. Romneycare or Huckabooboo bandages really don't do it for me. I want to buy what I need and only that. I do not want to be fined for not having the right plan. I have catastrophic health insurance, pay cash for normal maladies. Is this ok or should I call my friendly politicians in Washington D.C. and find out what they think? Or the bearcats, will I have to submit my health insurance plan along with my house evacuation plan and fire extinguisher placement as an annual package?

I sit at home or drive in my car and listen to politicians tell me how they are going to fix things, fix my life and all I can think of is 'Leave me alone'. Well, that and hiding my wallet.

McCain is my worst nightmare. That man has lied to his constituents and the American people so much and so often that he cannot even remember if he was for or against amnesty. Friendly reminder John, you were. In fact you tried to ram it down our throats with your good buddy Ted Kennedy. Tax cuts John? That's right, you were against them before you were for them. John McCain thinks he can 'rule by fiat'. That he can drag this country anywhere he chooses and be judged by his intentions. He can't, or at least shouldn't. The road to Hanoi was paved with good intentions John.

I see many people remember and despise McCain for his lies but have no problem with Romney's lies. What lies are acceptable? "I have been a hunter all my life". That's cool cuz he was just placating the gun nuts. "I saw my father march with MLK"? Well, his father was active in supporting the Civil Rights Movement. I'd mention what I think are clearly lies regarding policy but I don't think it matters. I think lying is a character flaw. Why would a man who wants to assume the mantle of President of the United States be so insecure as to lie. We should not look past small lies that don't matter because behind those are lies that do matter. Don't kid yourself folks, a republican from Massachusetts is still a liberal. You can't get elected otherwise.

Huckabee is a foreign policy dunce. He is a nanny-stater, maybe more so than Romney, but at least you can have your guns. Just not your wallets.

Ron Paul makes sense when he talks constitutionality. I wish that message would get through. He makes no sense when talking foreign policy. He takes us back to 1940 when Churchill was begging Roosevelt for assistance and most Americans wanted to stay out of it. Didn't work then and won't work now. In fact it would be catastrophic (can't buy insurance for that).

I like Duncan Hunter a lot. I prefer Fred Thompson's views on federalism and spending. I don't like Fred's position on Campaign Finance Reform though he has repented. Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter are the two men who are not nanny-staters, they are conservative through and through. Fred is who I support.

I know, he doesn't want it enough. But that is wrong, he's sacrificed a lot to do what he's doing. Much more than I would. The contrast is that he is not willing to 'do anything and say anything' to become president. I like that, a lot. I don't want to rely on government, only myself. I don't want to pay for able bodied Americans who rely on government. I want a stable economic environment where fees and taxes are low so I can compete and prosper and chase the American Dream.

A nanny-stater republican can't provide that dream, only nightmares. Just look at Europe.


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1 posted on 01/01/2008 10:24:10 AM PST by Mensius
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To: Mensius

Fred—’08 through ‘16.


2 posted on 01/01/2008 10:27:47 AM PST by GOPologist (When you can't find a path through the wilderness, make a new path.)
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To: Mensius

McCain was Fred’s close ally in the Senate.

Wake up!


3 posted on 01/01/2008 10:41:44 AM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it. I'm optimittstic!)
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To: Mensius

Of course they don’t want a limited govt...they want to have a lot of power like the dems.


4 posted on 01/01/2008 10:41:46 AM PST by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Mensius
I like the way you think. May I ask..are you a boomer, a jonser or an X-er?

I'm beginning to think the R boomers are selling us down the leftist river because they spent too much time with free love and drugs to get their nest eggs in order and now they want us to pay for it. I'm about to start a younger Republican revolution.

5 posted on 01/01/2008 10:43:13 AM PST by Earthdweller (The liberal MSM...Buddies of Romney F Kerry and the socialist march to China)
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To: Mensius
I think the GOP establishment doesn't want a limited-govt. candidate because too many Pubbies and their corporate clients are now on the take from the govt. Agribusiness wants ethanol subsidies, for one example, so ag-state Pubbies give it to them, in exchange for $ which guarantee their reelection. All the unConstitutional agencies are a source of thousands of appointed jobs, which can be filled by faithful Party hacks. So no Repubs except Paul (not really a Repub. anymore) actually call for eliminating those depts.

Also, all the people in govt. from either party have gone to the same educational system, totally dominated by the Left, which feeds them lies about "living, breathing" Constitutions. So the whole population moves steadily to the Left. I keep telling people that the capture of the media and the educational establishment by the Left is the most important development of modern history, and the one which will doom the country.

6 posted on 01/01/2008 10:44:51 AM PST by hellbender
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To: claudiustg
Wake up!

Wake up to Mitt?
No thank you.

7 posted on 01/01/2008 10:51:29 AM PST by Mensius
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To: Mensius
Because it is now saturated with globalist supporters as well as moderate Rockefeller GOP liberals. Year after year conservatives run and what do we get? Poppy 1000 points of light and no new taxes Bush loosing to Clinton in what should have been an easy second term. Poppy told the Reagan base to kiss off. Bob let the liberals run the convention and turn off the base Dole. GW Me and Mr Gore are not that far apart on most issues Bush. And today? The three best conservatives last according to the MSM who ALL FREEPERS say they loathe but yet fall faithfully in line to do as they say support what? The Most Liberal Choices Offered yet once again.

Insanity is doing the same mistakes over and over expecting different results. You reap what you sow moderates and you sow LIBERALS for the DEM. When will you people wake up?

8 posted on 01/01/2008 10:51:45 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: Earthdweller
May I ask..are you a boomer, a jonser or an X-er?

I am so out of touch that I don't even know what a jonser is. I'm 38

9 posted on 01/01/2008 10:52:49 AM PST by Mensius
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To: Mensius

This is the first good article I have read about the Republican candidates. Although I am a Duncan Hunter supporter; rather than Fred Thompson supporter; he makes some very good points.

Our rivals including our own party want us divided so they can choose our candidate.

The question is are we going to let them do it.

My answer is no.


10 posted on 01/01/2008 10:53:28 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Mensius

What is a jonser?


11 posted on 01/01/2008 10:53:56 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: GOPologist

The republican party will be dead if a nanny liberal candidate is nominated.

In my heart I know that I will never vote for anything other than a true conservative. I would rather the democrats win.

When did the party die? I know it was alive when Ron was president? What happened to America that made our party turn to the left?

I have come to the point where if we don’t get a conservative to vote for, you can count me out from now on. I won’t give a damn , because I know it will only be a few years until we are only a footnote in someone else’s history books.


12 posted on 01/01/2008 10:57:16 AM PST by glmjr
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To: freekitty
What is a jonser?

Keeping up with the Jones. The Jones support RINO so to be like them many do likewise. Jones buys a Buick so do they. Jones being a neighbor.

13 posted on 01/01/2008 10:57:18 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: glmjr

SEN. JOHN McCAIN'S

AMNESTY BILL FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS

Recently, John McCain did what may be unfairly called a flip-flop and admitted the American public was opposed to amnesty and withdrew his support of it reluctantly perhaps to save his campaign for President

                                                         

Senator John McCain who possesses many fine qualities not the least of which is service to country in uniform and incredible suffering in defense of this nation,  supported amnesty in the form of legislation defeated in Congress last summer largely in part because of the massive outrage expressed by citizens that is credited for rendering the Congressional phone system inoperative during the session.    .

The illegal alien problem is the fault of the US government. It created the problem by refusing to fund adequate border security. It has ignored the Constitution and has not followed existing law.

                  
McCain held hands with the liberal Senator Edward Kennedy, (D-Ma)
in support of illegal immigration less than a year ago .  Now he's flip flopped.

What are we to believe?
If he's elected will he change his mind again?

    

 

 

 

 

 

14 posted on 01/01/2008 10:58:26 AM PST by glmjr
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Democratic Governor Endorses Mike Huckabee

Instead we have conservatives lining up behind Mike Huckabee because he agrees with them on two issues - gay marriage and abortion - neither of which the president can do much about. And all the while they ignore his liberal history as governor of Arkansas. If Huckabee is a real conservative, explain this: Since he's running in the Republican primaries for president, don't expect Mike Huckabee to be advertising the strong endorsement he just got from Ted Strickland, Ohio's Democratic governor.

It seems Mr. Strickland, who typically racked up a 95% rating from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action during his 16 years in Congress, has discovered a kindred spirit in Mr. Huckabee. He told the Cincinnati Enquirer last Sunday that Mr. Huckabee is a "combination of conservative views in some ways, but very, almost liberal views in other ways." Mr. Strickland concluded: "Of all the Republican candidates, Mr. Huckabee would be my personal choice."

NOW,,, THERE SHOULD BE NOT DOUBT IN YOUR MIND....HUCKABEE IS LOVED BY DEMOCRATS.

God save us if he is actually nominated by the Republican party, or should I say "former" Republican party ..if that actually occurs. 

YOUR CHOICE                           This                         OR                                   This. 

                                                        

NEITHER IS A PRETTY PICTURE

15 posted on 01/01/2008 10:59:34 AM PST by glmjr
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To: glmjr

Saving the Republican Party

Our party can not survive unless we adhere to our basic conservative principles and nominate a person whose values lie in those principles and one that all Republicans will support.   If we fail, history will record the death of the Republican party as occurring during the caucus primaries of 2008.  This is not speculation on my part, but the opinion of many other experts in political science.  Many republicans and independents would either vote for a democrat or abstain, rather than vote for anything less than a person with "true conservative" values.

Take a closer look at the candidates

         Rudy Giuliani is intelligent and has proven himself to be capable as mayor of New York City, however Rudy is a liberal in every sense of the word.  He is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-gun control.  I just can't vote for someone who "cross dresses" and marches in gay pride parades.  He is liberal, no other way to put it.  He would not represent the values of the Republican party and would not garner the support of all Republicans by any stretch of the imagination. Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

           Mitt Romney is sharp, intelligent and on the face seems to be a good candidate to save the party.  If you look closer you will find that in the past few years he has supported sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, supported pro-choice on the abortion issue, supported gay marriages and was elected governor of the most liberal state in the union.  Mitt's Mormon religion is not a factor and should not be a factor in America.  Mitt may have made a real change as he has stated and may have come to embrace a conservative views on the issues, but he'll have to prove it to me AND that may take years.  Mitt might be make a good president for the republican party one day, but not in 2008.  Mitt should wait a few years and give us the proof we need that in fact he is a "real conservative" as he says he is. The Republican Party would not be united behind Mitt in 2008, due to  his religion.  This is a shame , but a fact.  We would loose to the Democrats in 2008 if Mitt was nominated.

            Mike Huckabee is a good speaker, probably a nice guy and I'm sure an excellent preacher.  Mike is conservative on only two issues, abortion and marriage. He is a populist liberal on all other important issues.  His popularity  base is evangelicals who can't seem to separate religion from electing the leader of the free world.  .  He was even endorsed by the Democratic governor of Ohio, who said that he reflected Democratic liberal views as well as the other Democratic candidates.  He has even went so far as to criticize  President Bush, calling his foreign policy "bunker mentality".  Huckabee is a Democrat running as a republican, no other way to put it.  He would divide the republican party and cause a division from which we could not recover.  He is more dangerous to the republican party than having a democrat elected.  Probably the most dangerous thing about Huckabee is his naivetie on how to deal  foreign policy and the threats facing our nation today.  To put it bluntly, he is ignorant on foreign affairs and the part the United States plays as being the premier world superpower and bastion of freedom.  Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

        John McCain is a true American hero and I honor and respect him for all he has given in the service of his country during the Viet Nam war.  John is a conservative on most issues, but John tends to flip -flop on the issues.  Last year he and the despicable Edward Kennedy were two of the main players in the Amnesty Bill that Pres. Bush was pushing down the throats of the American people.  Thank God the people spoke up and the bill was defeated.  If McCain was the nominated and elected I have no doubts that he would revive that very bill and the next time it may pass.  I don't trust him to stop illegal immigration and therefore he gets "thumbs down" from me.  He also tends to be a little "hot headed" at times.  I'm not sure we need an emotional "hot head" with his finger on the button, if you know what I mean.  The Republican party would not unite behind McCain due to a lack of trust.  We would  loose to the Democrats in 2008 .

         Ron Paul...can you say "nut case"....Ron has a libiterian view of what the world and the US should be like.  He is so far off having "true conservative" values, he is not worth discussion.  The fringe radicals seem to like his message , much the way people who bought in to Ross Perot did some years ago.  Ron's idea of US foreign policy is for the US to withdraw from everywhere and become an isolationist country and "everybody would leave us alone"  Total BS.  Ron could not unite the party, in fact he would cause a split.  Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

           Duncan Hunter..... A "true conservative" in every sense of the word.  Duncan is strong on all conservative issues, especially illegal immigration.  Duncan could unite the party behind him.  Our party would have someone that all republicans could support.  The liberal media has failed to get behind Duncan, which is what should be expected.  They would prefer a republican candidate , like Huckabee, which would divide our party and be easier for the democrats to defeat next November.  Duncan gets a   "thumbs up" from me.

       Fred ThompsonFred is the only candidate that is conservative on all issues.  He is a Federalist, meaning that he is a supporter of states rights and less government.  Fred is the candidate that there are absolutely no negatives.  He has never flipped his position on any issue.  Fred is the one candidate that would appeal to every Republican.  Ron Paul supporters might be the exception, but most of them are libertarian and nothing short of a revolutionary would please them anyway.  Fred is for lower taxes, stronger military, anti abortion, anti gay-marriage, stopping illegal immigration and less government involvement in our lives, all main stay issues of the Republican Party.  Fred is the only candidate in the list that could unite the party and defeat the democrats in 2008.

 

Just the Facts... check them out for yourself.  America awaits your decision.

16 posted on 01/01/2008 11:01:29 AM PST by glmjr
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When did the party die? I know it was alive when Ron was president? What happened to America that made our party turn to the left?

Remember 1995? Remember when DEMs were switching parties both voters and elected ones? Remember the GOP that on two majorities on Conservative platforms? Remember what happened immediately after. Newt became Neutered and suddenly couldn't lead for some strange reason? Lott was making deals with the DEMs like Monty Hall. But the fatal blow came GOP Convention 1996 when Bob Dole surrendered the party platform to the Rockefeller Republicans. So disgusting was the 1996 convention with it's two Liberal N.E. Elitist Keynote Speakers that Conservatives in all parties stayed home. The GOP keeps making the same mistake.

17 posted on 01/01/2008 11:03:09 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: glmjr
If Huckabee is a real conservative, explain this: Since he's running in the Republican primaries for president, don't expect Mike Huckabee to be advertising the strong endorsement he just got from Ted Strickland, Ohio's Democratic governor.

This isn't hard to explain. Strickland is part of Hillaryland, and Hillaryland would much rather run against the Huckster than some of the other candidates.

18 posted on 01/01/2008 11:04:32 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: Mensius

The GOP leadership wants a nanny state because those leading the GOP are essentially not real people. Just look at the GOP in congress. Just look at the GOP in the media. Why in the world I still have a subscription to the National Review is a mystery to me. It will be cancelled.

Fred is taking it to the people, the ones who are supposed to be running this country. I think his strategy will pay off in Iowa.


19 posted on 01/01/2008 11:04:41 AM PST by reasonisfaith (Fred Thompson is the only candidate who appeals to instinct.)
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To: glmjr

One for thing remember ones like Fred Dalton Thompson who let the DEMs run roughshod over him and US? NEVER FORGET THEM NEVER!!!!


20 posted on 01/01/2008 11:05:22 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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