Divided Loyalites, Obama’s Eligibility Problem — Part 1

Texas Darlin ^ | July 25, 2008 | Judah Benjamin

[Amityschild]

Who is eligible to be POTUS under Article II of the Constitution and why? The answer isn’t what most people think and people need to know!

People made a big ruckus about McCain’s eligibility but what about Obama? He may have held anything up to 4 other Nationalities. If a Naturalized Citizen cannot hold the Office of POTUS neither can a Dual National or a Dual Citizen.

In Part Two of the Article I shall show the evidence that leads me to think Obama has held other Citizenship.

[Gay State Conservative]

Although I only read a bit of this I'm still willing to wager that there's not a court in the country that would find Osama ineligible for the Presidency because of foreign citizenships he might now hold or might have held at one time.

Of course this whole issue is absolutely a legitimate campaign issue.

[bvw]

Gracias, danke, tak, merci, todah, spicybut, ti-tsin! Oh fellow citizen of the world!

[devere]

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

This article makes a nice legal argument, but I think that the 14th amendment, cited above, will prevail in court. It’s a bit strained to argue that a person who is a citizen because they were born in the USA and subject to its jurisdiction, is not a “natural born citizen”. This interpretation would also exclude any child who had one immigrant parent who had not yet become a US citizen; and no US court will declare that.

[HighlyOpinionated]

I have a solution. Petition the Senator for a true and actual birth certificate. You know, the one you must present when you apply for a Social Security Number. If he has a Social Security number, he has a legal birth certificate somewhere in his house or safety deposit box.

[Afronaut]

Are you yelling or is your post more important than everyone else's?

[Melas]

Good people are wasting precious energy on this eligibility issue. At this juncture only a fool would think there is even the slightest possibility that Obama’s eligibility is going to be challenged in any venue that actually counts (read the courts or congress), let alone a render a decision against him.

The only hope to unseat Obama this run is to hammer home exactly how his socialist policies would effect the country and its citizens.

[Melas]

That doesn’t logically follow. If he has a social security number he (or his parents) HAD a legal birth certificate at one time. It’s no guarantee that it still exists. I couldn’t produce my original birth certificate to save my life. I have the one I requested when I was 40 years old, which looks nothing like the original (which I used to enlist 20 years earlier).

[Libertarianize the GOP]

There is also a good discussion of this same issue in this case:
U.S. Supreme Court
U.S. v. WONG KIM ARK, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

169 U.S. 649

UNITED STATES
v.
WONG KIM ARK.
No. 132.

March 28, 1898

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=169&invol=649

[ivyleaguebrat]

You don’t need to be a citizen to have a social security number.

[cynwoody]

If Obama was born in the US, there is no way he can lose his citizenship except by voluntarily renouncing it upon attaining majority. What his parents did while he was a kid (being from Kenya, moving to Indonesia) is irrelevant! So, this discussion is a waste of time.

[Amityschild]

I thought this comment at Texas Darlin most interesting:

Dean // July 25, 2008 at 5:35 pm

I spent a lot of time in Military Intelligence and the U.S. Army.

If Senator Obama were entering military service and applied for a Tom Secret clearance it would undoubtedly be denied him due to his being too long a subject of foreign influence and because of having foreign relatives in foreign countries.

I had a really good friend in the Army who couldn’t get such a clearance even though his dad was a Noncom. His mom was Japanese and my friend was born in Japan and spent his early years there where his dad was stationed there in the military.

When of age, he, too, joined the U.S. Army. He was granted a Secret clearance but could not get a Top Secret. The reason given when he challenged this? He was subject too much to foreign influence and the possibity of blackmail existed because of his foreign relatives (i.e. they could be held hostage and threatened, etc.)

So this issue is very important. If as a Private in the Army, Senator Obama would not qualify for a Top Secret clearance, how is it he expects to be Commander in Chief?

[Amityschild]

I think the “Tom Secret” was a typo. Likely “Top Secret” :-)

[Melas]

While that’s fascinating, we look to the constitution to see who is eligible to be president and who is not. Obama meets the constitutional requirements so it’s up to the voters to decide if he’s fit for the security clearance.

[bvw]

The soldiers question is honest -- but it's a voters consideration, the vetting for clearances does not apply to the President. The US of A has a civilian Commander In Chief (CIC). A total spy and dishonest deluded meglo-maniac could be elected and sworn -- he gives an order it goes. We elect, we get what we elect. He's the most powerful man in history and can order the destruction of most of the world we know. But he doesn't need even a credit card report of a clearance.

[bvw]

Did you read the linked essay, by chance? A deep thinker and scholar read a whole lot of relevant material and came to the well-argued conclusion that Obama would NOT be eligible under the “natural born” requirement of our Constitution. Did you read the essay?

[bvw]

Teddy Roosevelt he ain’t.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

Natural born as defined in common law and in all the case law dealing with citizenship refers to loyalty to the United States, not just place of birth. John McCain’s parents were serving the United States in Panama when he was born, there is no question about any divided loyalties on the part of McCain’s parents or John McCain himself. Barack’s dad was Kenyan, his step dad was Indonesian and Obama lived there for four years. Obama’s dad’s loyalty to this country is certain, he had none; the same with his step dad. Obama’s loyalty at birth and growing up was divided and that is what this article asserts disqualifies him as natural born.

[Amityschild]

I hope the voters are beginning to get a clue -

The Narcissistic Qualities Of Barack Obama

[bvw]

Two gold stars for that essay. One for flow and detail, and another for mentioning King Canute. Every star-struck follower of an “exalted” leader would be wiser for learning that story.