Posted on 08/06/2008 3:56:35 PM PDT by pissant
IF Techdude is right, and I believe he must be since his qualifications are impeccable (even Dr Neal Krawetz cannot deny that), the Certification of Live Birth posted on KOS and FTS is a Forgery based upon an original belonging to somebody other than Senator Obama.
I believe that the information on it is probably based upon that contained in Senator Obama’s Original Birth Certificate, which he claims to have found as a boy. So, why a Forgery at all?
Given that he had the Original Document at one point and used it to obtain his Social Security Papers, a Passport, a Driver’s License, his Illinois Bar Documents, whatever, we have no means of knowing that he still has it. He could have lost it. We are told he is very careless with documents by many sources, including himself. It could simply have disintegrated due to age. In any event he still has the information but not the Document.
If the Indonesian records are correct, and in spite of recent attempts to suggest otherwise by an Obama supporting expat in Indonesia, I have absolutely no reason to think that they aren’t and nor does anyone else, the probability is that his Original Hawaiian Birth Records are Sealed. If that is so, any genuine COLB he got from Hawaii would contain information other than that on the Forgery.
While I have no doubt that his grandparents were his Legal Guardians from 1971 until he reached his majority that would not affect his COLB and the supporting Documentation. I doubt that they adopted him and I can see no way that anybody else could have.
Why maintain the fiction?
His whole life is built around being Barack Hussein Obama II. Everything he has written, his public and political personae are all built on that foundation. How could he at this late date admit to another identity, especially if the admission would raise questions about his Eligibility? I cannot easily think of another motivation.
The logical question would then be why, if he could get a COLB anyway, even if it didn’t contain the information he needed, did he not simply use that as a template, rather than using somebody else’s?
Well, there is a perfectly reasonable scenario that requires no complex conspiracy. In May/June he suddenly realized that a problem was building up that he had to address. So, as Janice Okubo, of Hawaiian Vital Records originally admitted, he sent for a copy of his COLB. Perhaps he had a copy of the old longer form of COLB that Hawaii used at one point but not the newer short form.
Fine, but the controversy continued to escalate, forcing him to ask someone for help because the actual COLB Copy from Hawaii had not yet arrived. I have no idea who he asked for help but whoever it was was no professional as we have seen. It is difficult to conclude that the document we see is anything but a Forgery, it has the appearance of an amateur Forgery that really doesn’t pass muster.
If it is a genuine Document, which I do not believe at this time, I would have to assume that it had been doctored to appear to be a bad Forgery! Now that would be really strange. (I don’t find A J Strata, Koyaan or the various other debunkers at all credible, not least because they make Statements about Techdude which are patently untrue.)
I do not know whose COLB was used as a template, or who the forger was but I do know this:
If the Original belonged to his sister, Maya Kassandra Soetoro, we have another level of family mystery because almost all of the Records that I have been able to locate show that she was born on August 15th 1970 in Jakarta, Indonesia. The one exception can be found on Ancestry.com and is a US Public Records extract.
The references to her Indonesian Birth include her own testimony, that of her husband, and that of Julia Suryakusuma, Stanley Ann Dunham’s best friend in Indonesia. Maya Kassandra Soetoro-Ng should not legally have a Hawaiian COLB, even under the somewhat lax Laws Hawaii has, IF the few records that seem to exist are correct and she, and her husband, are telling the truth.
Indeed, since she was born in Indonesia of an Indonesian father in 1970 Maya should not legally be a US Citizen at all, unless she is Naturalized. She regularly visits Indonesia and, so far as I can tell, is probably an Indonesian Citizen today, she is certainly an active member of the Indonesian Community in Hawaii. Her husband seems to be a Canadian Citizen, who may also hold Malaysian Citizenship through his parents, and is of Chinese Descent. I hope for Dr Ng’s sake he has not been Naturalized due to his marriage, since it looks as if that may cause a few problems in itself.
Indonesian Law did not allow Dual Nationality until 2007 and the US State Department is clear that under those circumstances Maya Kassandra Soetoro should NOT have had US Citizenship at Birth, regardless of her mother’s Citizenship at the time of her Birth, and that Citizenship itself is unknown at this time.
Stanley Ann Dunham could have filed a “Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock” Form under Section 301(g) INA and the other necessary paperwork at the Consulate, and that would mean that there should be an Indonesian Birth Certificate accompanied by Consular Service Documentation and the Consular Report of Birth, or FS-240, NOT a Hawaiian BC (so far as I can tell) since Stanley Ann Dunham WAS NOT a Legal Resident of the State of Hawaii, or of the United States of America, at the time of Maya’s Birth.
So there should not be a LEGAL Hawaiian Birth Certificate unless every Record is wrong. At the very least one would imagine that the old INS, or the current USCIS, would be very interested in the fact that Hawaii was, apparently, unilaterally giving Birth Citizenship to those born abroad, in defiance of Federal Law and the US State Department.
At least that is how the situation appears to me. I have always said that the Hawaiian Code seems to lend itself to this kind of action. The very existence of a Hawaiian COLB for Maya Kassandra Soetoro argues either that all the Records are wrong or that a deliberate illegality was committed by some person, presumably Stanley Ann Dunham.
The history of Stanley Ann Dunham and her children is a swamp, not a rock pool. Who was what and when is anything but clear. Senator Obama’s version of things just doesn’t hold up under examination.
We have what seems to be a trail of bent, or broken, Laws and IF we now have a forged COLB based on that of the Senator’s sister we may have a Forged Document based on an Illegal Original.
If that does not demonstrate Mens Rea I’m not sure what would. Once again the problem would have originated with Stanley Ann Dunham, not her children, but their methods of dealing with the little complications in their lives are maximally unacceptable.
Assuming that Techdude is right, we have a Forged Document. Publication of a forged document with intent to deceive is a crime. Forgery of an Official Document is a crime. Conspiracy and Misprision are crimes. We may also have prima facie evidence of crimes under INA 1952. Falsifying a BC is a crime. I am moderately sure that most of these things are impeachable for a member of the Senate. If the template document belongs to the Senator’s sister I do not see how he can claim convincingly that he was unaware of what happened, since she would be the only person who could have logically provided it.
Should the Document belong to somebody else, it is still a Forgery and there is still a conspiracy involved.
I can think of good reason for publishing a false COLB, as I have demonstrated, but if it is a Forgery we are looking at a crime, no matter the source of the original document.
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Here is the current State Department Information on Birth Abroad.
It is quite clear from this that if Stanley Ann Dunham had filed the correct paperwork with the Consular Authorities in Jakarta, Maya Kassandra Soetoro would not have, and would not need, a Hawaiian COLB and she should not have one. If she does it is an indictment of the Hawaiian System. The Regulations in effect in 1970 were, so far as I can tell, essentially the same as the current ones.
Documentation of U.S. Citizens Born Abroad
U.S. Department of State Bureau of Consular Affairs Documentation of United States Citizens Born Abroad Who Acquire Citizenship At Birth
The birth of a child abroad to U.S. citizen parent(s) should be reported as soon as possible to the nearest American consular office for the purpose of establishing an official record of the child’s claim to U.S. citizenship at birth. The official record is in the form of a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America. This document, referred to as the Consular Report of Birth or FS-240, is considered a basic United States citizenship document. An original FS-240 is furnished to the parent(s) at the time the registration is approved.
REPORTING THE BIRTH
A Consular Report of Birth can be prepared only at an American consular office overseas while the child is under the age of 18. Usually, in order to establish the child’s citizenship under the appropriate provisions of U.S. Law, the following documents must be submitted:
(1) an official record of the child’s foreign birth;
(2) evidence of the parent(s)’ U.S. citizenship (e.g., a certified birth certificate, current U.S. passport, or Certificate of Naturalization or Citizenship);
(3) evidence of the parents’ marriage, if applicable; and
(4) affidavits of parent(s)’ residence and physical presence in the United States.
In certain cases, it may be necessary to submit additional documents, including affidavits of paternity and support, divorce decrees from prior marriages, or medical reports of blood compatibility. All evidentiary documents should be certified as true copies of the originals by the registrar of the office wherein each document was issued. A service fee of $65 is prescribed under the provisions of Title 22 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Section 22.1, item 9, for a Consular Report of Birth.
[NOTE: Consular Reports of Birth are not available for persons born in Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Panama Canal Zone before October 1, 1979, the Philippines before July 4, 1946, American Samoa, Guam, Swains Island, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, or the former U.S. Trust Territories of the Pacific Islands. Birth certificates for those areas, except the Panama Canal Zone, must be obtained from their respective offices of vital statistics. Panama Canal Zone birth certificates should be requested through the Vital Records Section of Passport Services (see address below.) The fees are the same as those for DS-1350.]
DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE
Consular Report of Birth (FS-240)
On November 1, 1990, the Department of State ceased issuing multiple copies of the Consular Report of Birth (FS-240). As of that date, a new format for the FS-240 went into effect. All previously issued FS-240s are acceptable proof of U.S. citizenship (Public Law 97-241 - Aug. 24, 1982). To obtain a replacement for a lost or mutilated document, please submit a notarized written request including the original FS-240 or a notarized affidavit concerning the loss of the FS-240 and a $30 fee, payable to the “Department of State.” Mail it to the address below. The affidavit must contain the: 1) name, (2) date, and (3) place of birth of the subject; (4) a statement regarding the whereabouts of the original FS-240; and (5) be signed by the subject, parent, or legal representative.
Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350)
If the birth was recorded in the form of a Consular Report of Birth, a Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350) can be issued in multiple copies. The DS-1350 contains the same information as that on the new format Consular Report of Birth and is acceptable for all legal purposes. The DS-1350 is not issued overseas and can be obtained only by writing to the address below.
AMENDING/CORRECTING THE CONSULAR REPORT OF BIRTH
To amend or correct a Consular Report of Birth, submit a written request - accompanied by certified copies of all documents appropriate for effecting the change (e.g., foreign birth certificate, marriage certificate, court ordered adoption or name change, birth certificates of the adopting or legitimating parents, affidavits, etc.). The original FS-240 or replacement FS-240, or a notarized affidavit concerning its whereabouts, also must be included.
OBTAINING COPIES OF THE FS-240, DS-1350, AND PANAMA CANAL ZONE BIRTH CERTIFICATES
The DS-1350 or a replacement FS-240 can be obtained by writing to:
Vital Records Section Passport Services 1111 19th Street, NW, Suite 510 Washington, D.C. 20522-1705
A written request must be notarized and must include a copy of valid photo identification of the requester. The written request must include:
(1) full name of child at birth (plus any adoptive names)
(2) date and place of birth
(3) names of parents
(4) serial number, if known, of the FS-240 (on those issued after November 1, 1990) if known
(5) any available passport information
(6) signature of requester and
(7) notarized affidavit for a replacement FS-240 (if applicable).
Note: For Panama Canal Zone (PCZ) birth certificates, just include items (1) through (3).
The fee for an FS-240 is $30. The fees for DS-1350 and PCZ certificates are $30 for the first copy, $20 each additional copy. Make check or bank draft drawn on a bank in the United States, or money order, payable to the “Department of State.” The Department will assume no responsibility for cash lost in the mail. Documents will be provided to the person who is the subject of the Report of Birth, the subject’s parents, the subject’s legal guardian, authorized government agency, or a person who submits written authorization from the subject of the Report of Birth.
CERTIFICATE OF CITIZENSHIP ISSUED BY THE IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE
A person, who acquired United States citizenship through birth abroad to a U.S. citizen parent(s) or who acquired U.S. citizenship by derivative naturalization, may apply for a Certificate of Citizenship under the provisions of Section 341 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Application for this document may be made in the United States to the nearest office of the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services in the Department of Homeland Security. Upon approval, a Certificate of Citizenship will be issued in the name of the subject, but only if that person is in the United States. Obtaining this certificate involves presentation of basically the same documentation required to obtain a Consular Report of Birth. Under law, the Consular Report of Birth and the Certificate of Citizenship are equally acceptable as proof of citizenship.
Or Canada
It looks like somebody is funding research.
Volcano watch is in effect.
bump
Do you think he is an illegal alien?
No. I think he is a citizen who forged his Certificate of Live Birth to conceal embarrassing facts about his name.
The candidate has to file to be on the ballot in each state. So you have 50 states each with their own forms/requirements.
I don't know if any documentation is needed. My best guess is that the process typically works on the honor system. You self-certify that you are eligible.
I like that, maybe if we could go through all these Obama birth certificate threads and give them a new keyword of Certifigate, that would be the best way to reach these threads. I noticed a John Edwards thread recently on the Birth Certificate keyword.
note that I added the keyword CERTIFIGATE to the Obama threads involving the birth certificate. If I missed any, feel free to update.
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles
Awesome. Most sorely needed!
And that requesting any official documentation from B.O. is racist?
*applause*
“I believe differently. The Dems are whacked if Hillary “steals” the nomination from Obama. It would surely split the Dem party, and Hillary would only have about 60 days to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. She will not be able to do it.
A more plausible strategy for Hillary is to use bloggers as Texas Darlin and possibly the National Enquirer as derogatory information seeds to sabotage the Obama campaign. Hillary would then try again in 2012 to become president.”
Agreed.
Why would Kenya want to produce documents on Obama? Why would Indonesia want to? Why would Hawaii? It seems to me all three of them might want Obama elected and if their lucky receive aid-pork from him.
Looks like this cover-up is slowly starting to gain recognition.
Forged documents??? Then he is an illegal citizen?
There seems to be some chance of that. However, perpetrating deliberate fraud by releasing a forgery will do to be going on with!
Nabbed a few more for you this morning.
Are there any other sources out there on this other than “Texas Darlin’” and “Israeli Insider”? This stuff won’t hold unless other entities in the blogosphere get involved.
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