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Obamagate - a brewing scandal about his citizenship
Israel Insider ^ | 111208 | Polarik

Posted on 11/12/2008 4:34:56 AM PST by Polarik

I am truly disturbed ... about the fears that are rampantly mounting, concerning the question of Mr. Obama being a natural born U.S. citizen, as required by the Constitution, to run for the office of the presidency of the United States. These fears are based on three elements:

* The failure of the RNC to execute a thorough vetting process, ensuring Mr. Obama is a Natural Born U.S Citizen.

* The failure of Mr. Obama to provide a legitimate Certificate of Live Birth (COLB). >p? * The failure of big media to perform its function as the watchdog "Fourth Branch" of the government.

This issue led Philip J. Berg, a long time Democrat and attorney, to file suit against Barack H. Obama, (Lawsuit Continues) challenging Senator Obama’s lack of "qualification" to serve as President of the United States.

"This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution,” Berg said in a statement. “If I don’t have standing, if you don’t have standing, if your neighbor doesn’t have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does? So, anyone can just claim to be eligible for congress or the presidency without having their legal status, age or citizenship questioned."

Read the full article from Amil Imani and discuss here.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelinsider.ning.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; citizenship; conman; fakepresident; flipflamartist; fraud; illegitimate; obama; obamacon; obamagate; phoney; shellgame; snakeoilseller
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While I was proving the Obama COLB image to be a fake, seems like everyone else was doing a Rip Van Winkle. Don't know what would have happened if Berg hadn't stepped forward to throw the first stone.

Although Jerome Corsi would argue that he started the inquiry about Obama's citizenship, even he had nothing enlightening to say about the bogus birth certificate.

If I had a dollar for how many media outlets refused to print my story, I could retire.

But, at least we've got others waking up to this sobering reality.

1 posted on 11/12/2008 4:34:57 AM PST by Polarik
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To: Polarik

Polarik, I have admired your work regarding this issue since I joined FR and I appreciate all you have done.

I want to continue to fight this. It may be that Obama WAS born in Hawaii, it may be he never lost a US citizenship in Indonesia, or he perfectly legally reobtained his “natural born” citizenship as an adult. But the fact that he thinks he can skate on in on his word is terrifying. And that no one questions this is even more so.


2 posted on 11/12/2008 4:45:35 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: Polarik
RE: sobering reality

I've had to show my birth certificate several times over the years (and years).

Pro or con vis-a-vis Obama's birth certificate -- why do the little people have to do it and the ruling elite do not? 'Tain't fair, McGee.

3 posted on 11/12/2008 4:46:02 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Polarik

It is true, is it not, that O and the DNC are/were paying lawyers to fight the release of the BC? If they are really fighting this thing, then that’s just another amazing example of media bias, as that’s the sort of thing (paying attorneys to cover up a simple fact) that would normally attract a HUGE amount of press coverage.


4 posted on 11/12/2008 4:49:59 AM PST by Monsieur Poirot
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To: All

It has been clear from the first time I heard of Obama that he will ignore any rules and regulations which get in his personal path.

He will also run the nation in the same manner.


5 posted on 11/12/2008 4:52:33 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: Polarik

The courts’ dismissal of these suits for “lack of standing” of the filers to demand the upholding of the US Constitution- is at least as big a story as their claims

Note to all those who say “Move along, nothing to see here...”

None of the courts has found the complaints to be without merit.. They dismiss based on the “lack of standing” of citizens to demand action!

In Berg’s case, as a democrat donor, the judge in PA blew off his suit because he could not show significant enough personal damage if a fraudulent Presidential candidate was fielded by his party - and possibly elected!.


6 posted on 11/12/2008 4:53:36 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Polarik

But, but, but, the Dem’s say the real deal was provided 2 years ago. Would they lie?


7 posted on 11/12/2008 4:53:37 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Not my President, Remember, Decent is Patriotic!)
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To: Monsieur Poirot

If this was a Republican President-elect, the media would be in full constitutional crisis mode, camped out in front of the White House, with a clock tick-tocking until inauguration.....

awaiting certified proof and exhibition of the Republican’s birth certificate.


8 posted on 11/12/2008 4:53:39 AM PST by mountaineer1997
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
why do the little people have to do it and the ruling elite do not?

Because most of us little people wouldn't sell our soul to the devil to get what we want.

9 posted on 11/12/2008 4:53:40 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Polarik

Ya know...if this guy is NOT an American citizen-and personally-I don’t believe he is-then we’ve been Trojan Horsed bigger than anybody in all of human history-even worse than the Trojans. And, BTW, somebody just bought 12 Carrier Battle Groups for 600 million dollars.


10 posted on 11/12/2008 4:57:52 AM PST by mo
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To: Polarik

You know, this dufuss needs to address this now and put it to rest (if he can). Otherwise it is going to dog him for the next 4 years. That he won’t (or maybe can’t) put it to rest now is suspect.


11 posted on 11/12/2008 4:58:19 AM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: Polarik

This is a loser. Obama assured that when he selected Biden as his running mate. Nobody, not Republicans, not even Democrats, wants a President Biden.

I suspect that, if Obama is truly not a natural born citizen, the congressional Democrats will keep it under their hats as assurance against a posibility of a time when there is a conflict between the executive and the legislative branches. One party rule inevitably results in splits between faction within the party.


12 posted on 11/12/2008 5:08:51 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Polarik

Unfortunately, Berg has been shown to be unstable. He has filed many frivolous and bizarre lawsuits. This does not mean, however, that Obama’s eligibility should not be pursued.


13 posted on 11/12/2008 5:10:37 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: Polarik

If someone is hiding something, it’s generally because they have something to hide.

It’s just that simple. The media won’t help you; they don’t give a damn, and like The Obamassiah, they consider the Constitution to be an aging annoyance.

This whole thing turns my stomach. We’ve become a Third World backwater.


14 posted on 11/12/2008 5:13:50 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: CodeMasterPhilzar

“That he won’t (or maybe can’t) put it to rest now is suspect.....”

there may be an upside to all this....none of his Executive Orders will be legal.....


15 posted on 11/12/2008 5:21:21 AM PST by mo
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To: imintrouble

“He will also run the nation in the same manner.”

I believe that the word is out that he will RULE (not “run”) the nation. And, as all dems do, he will ignore any rules that don’t further his agenda.


16 posted on 11/12/2008 5:23:03 AM PST by MayflowerMadam ("...a hyphenated American is not an American at all." T. Roosevelt)
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To: Polarik

“The failure of the RNC to execute a thorough vetting process...”

What about failure of the DNC?


17 posted on 11/12/2008 5:24:54 AM PST by Need4Truth
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To: Polarik

To hear certain people tell it this was all a brilliantly executed trap to lure republicans into losing the election by embarrassing their candidate and allowing Obama to walk on water into the White House.

Which he seems to have done with out our help.

So why is this still an issue and better yet why is it gaining momentum?

Barry Soetoro has his birth certificate and it has that name on it, which is why it has been sealed, why he cannot show it, that’s what is so damaging he can never reveal it.

Barry Soetoro is not Barack Obama, he didn’t become Barack Obama until he met his real father in 1971(?). Prior to that he had two different names, his original name which you cannot find in either newspaper clipping that is on his original birth certificate and Barry Soetoro which was his legal name after he was adopted in Indonesia.

My guess is that it has never been legally changed since his adoption by Lolo Soetoro, he just decided after meeting his father to call himself Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

The question then becomes quite honestly is he entitled to run for president under an assumed name, especially if there is no documentation that shows that he ever legally changed it from what it was originally or after he was adopted.

This has to be the reason he continues to hide his original Birth Certificate.


18 posted on 11/12/2008 5:30:15 AM PST by usmcobra (Go ask Obama for your change, and don't bug me!)
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To: Polarik
This whole matter should be overriding anything being discussed by the media. This is a crucial president being set if BO gets a free ride on this. A major rip in the constitution.
19 posted on 11/12/2008 5:30:20 AM PST by jetson
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To: Need4Truth; Polarik

Leo Donofrio case is now also before the SCOTUS. SInce he is suing the SOS of NJ for not performing the duty of the office, some here feel he has a better case. Your opinion?

http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/


20 posted on 11/12/2008 5:31:03 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: Polarik

More information:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2130641/posts


21 posted on 11/12/2008 5:35:38 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: Polarik
"* The failure of the RNC to execute a thorough vetting process, ensuring Mr. Obama is a Natural Born U.S Citizen."

Sheesh, it's Bush and the Republican's fault on this too?

22 posted on 11/12/2008 5:36:40 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Polarik
The net result of this steamroller job by the Obamunists and the msm is that the rule of law only applies to Republicans. The USA as we know it will cease to exist on Jan. 20th, 2009. The precedent will have been set discarding the US Constitution.
23 posted on 11/12/2008 5:51:08 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: Polarik

This is really a non-issue, IMO. Rhetorically, what do you suppose the outcome would be even it is discovered that he was born outside the U.S.; take away the election results? Rightly or (in this case) wrongly, the sheeple spoke on November 4th to change power (thanks again President Bush, you phutz!). And, besides, Obama’s mom was an American citizen so it would seem that he would still have a decent claim to the throne!


24 posted on 11/12/2008 5:51:22 AM PST by meandog (Wasilla warrior in 2012!)
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To: usmcobra

Well put, we HAVE to increase momentum on this. I signed a petition here in Wa State but it got dismissed.


25 posted on 11/12/2008 5:52:27 AM PST by freebird5850 (O-Bomb-a, the sleeper cell that slipped by all of us.)
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To: Polarik
* The failure of the RNC to execute a thorough vetting process, ensuring Mr. Obama is a Natural Born U.S Citizen.

This is a news flash, since when is the RNC required to vet a liberal candidate? I know the DNC vetted the Republican candidate and got him the nomination, but come on now blaming this on the RNC is typical liberalism.

26 posted on 11/12/2008 5:56:50 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Polarik

The country has been bamboozled and there’s not a damn thing we can do about it.


27 posted on 11/12/2008 5:59:35 AM PST by jersey117
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To: usmcobra

I agree and also somewhere on one of the BC threads he apparently said on a ‘bar exam’ application he had never gone by any other name... That would present a big problem if he is named other that BHO on that hidden BC.

I wonder how Berg found out there was an issue? BHO is ripe for blackmail by chance anyone else has the proof of his lack of honesty...


28 posted on 11/12/2008 6:01:11 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Polarik

The correct way (IMHO) to go about this now would be to request a Writ of Mandamus in every state, directing the secretary of state to determine eligibility of candidates prior to the secretary certifying the results to the electoral college.


29 posted on 11/12/2008 6:01:57 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: hoosiermama

I agree. This has a better shot. Will the SCOTUS have the guts to determine it?


30 posted on 11/12/2008 6:05:26 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: Drawsing
Berg has been shown to be unstable.

Documentation please.
31 posted on 11/12/2008 6:06:22 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: meandog

His dear mother was about as anti-American as they come, which was learned at her Daddy’s knee judging by the company the family kept (communist Frank Marshall Davis to name one from “Dreams from my BabyDaddy”). She lived her early adult life out of the country, and probably came back to the USA only after she burned all her bridges overseas. The citizenship law in effect when BHO was born, due to his mother’s age (18), would not grant automatic citizenship if she had delivered him intentionally in another country (Kenya and Canada have both been mentioned). BHO was adopted by Soetero, and he used his Indonesian passport when he went to Pakistan. So, not even an American passport (which would have required a full-blown birth certificate). Everything about BHO’s background that is relevant has been sealed from public scrutiny. It’s none of our business, we’re told. If that’s the case, why have any rules or laws at all if your cause is “greater” than our laws? Thank you very much to the 64 million suckers who bought all this.


32 posted on 11/12/2008 6:07:16 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Just mythoughts
That would present a big problem

Why? He's not a practicing lawyer.
33 posted on 11/12/2008 6:08:25 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Beckwith

Even though he is not a practicing lawyer at present, the Bar application is probably signed under oath. Lying under oath is perjury. Perjury is a felony.


34 posted on 11/12/2008 6:13:13 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: silverleaf

I believe that the “lack of standing” comes from the fact that we don’t directly elect the POTUS but instead we elect electors to select the president and vp. That said, I have heard that among the several lawsuits demanding the Obama prove his eligibility, some have managed to get some of the electoral college electors to sign in as plaintiffs.

Now, I don’t see how ANY judge could rule that the electors have a “lack of standing”.


35 posted on 11/12/2008 6:18:38 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is the Antichrist.)
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To: mo

Thanks for the new tag!


36 posted on 11/12/2008 6:20:53 AM PST by txhurl (somebody just bought 12 Carrier Battle Groups for 600 million dollars)
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To: Beckwith
Why? He's not a practicing lawyer.

Oh so if he lied on the application, and that lie is exposed, it is immaterial unless he starts practicing law? Well I guess he could then reapply for the bar in another state and no big deal then right?

37 posted on 11/12/2008 6:35:44 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Polarik

Why do we even have a constitution?


38 posted on 11/12/2008 6:44:39 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: mountaineer1997
If this was a Republican President-elect

Yes, you are correct. Look how they went out to fine tax leans and plumber licenses for "Joe the Plumber". Look at the 30 or more lawyers and tons of press that were dropped into Wasilla, Alaska!

The American Press corp is not even a shaddow of what it once was. They have no honor. No journalist integrity. They are un-American.

39 posted on 11/12/2008 6:52:45 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: esquirette

IIRC Both BO and MO have allowed their law license to expire.


40 posted on 11/12/2008 6:54:59 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: usmcobra
he just decided after meeting his father to call himself Barack Hussein Obama Jr.

Ya know he really should have had a DNA test done before chosing his father. /sarc

41 posted on 11/12/2008 6:58:12 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: usmcobra

Makes as much sense as anything else I’ve seen or heard.....


42 posted on 11/12/2008 7:01:30 AM PST by Osage Orange (Victims that fight back live longer.....................)
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To: Hatteras
Sheesh, it's Bush and the Republican's fault on this too?

Well, they do need to get off their lazy butts, risk the public ridicule and/or anger, and do what is right to protect our Constitution by demanding proof that Barak Obama is legally eligible to be Commander and Chief.

President Bush, please do this for your country and for the brave men and women who have fought, bled and died under your command. They did not let you down, be a man and don't let them down.

43 posted on 11/12/2008 7:07:23 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: esquirette

The crazy thing is that these cases are before the Supreme Court and we don’t hear anything about it in any media outlets! Has FOX news even covered it? This is like a bad “Twilight Zone” episode.


44 posted on 11/12/2008 7:22:22 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: FreeAtlanta; All

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‘President Bush, please do this for your country and for the brave men and women who have fought, bled and died under your command. They did not let you down, be a man and don’t let them down.’

He won’t do anything- just like he let us down about protecting our borders. Just like he allowed the two border guards to be imprisoned for shooting an illegal alien in the a$$ who was caught on Texas soil smuggling marijuana and who threatened the guards.

I’m throughly disgusted with Bush for this, and for kissing Obama’s a$$.

Hussein Obama will NEVER be my president.

This election was stolen by a Muslim/Marxist who had the power of millions of dollars worth of illegal campaign funds from America’s enemies overseas, the documented voter fraud of ACORN, the unrelenting campaigning for him by the leftist MSM and the most powerful black radical racists, Muslim terrorists and America haters on the globe behind him.

He’s not president YET.

You can tuck tail and shulk away.
You can whine to the choir
or you can FIGHT:

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Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution reads: “No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”

There are numerous questions as to Obama’s citizen status raising suspicion and doubt about Obama constitutional qualification to be president. To settle these questions Mr. Obama must produce proof of citizenship!

Documents that must be produced include;
(a) a certified copy of “vault” (original long version) birth certificate;
(b) certified copies of all reissued and sealed birth certificates in the names Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham;
(c) a certified copy Certification of Citizenship;
(d) a certified copy Oath of Allegiance taken upon age of maturity;
(e) certified copies of admission forms for Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard Law School; and
(f) certified copies of any court orders or legal documents changing his name from Barry Soetoro.

It is reasonable that these documents should be produced considering that his father is Kenyan, his adoptive father is Indonesian, and his grandmother claims to have been present at his birth in Kenya. If he is a natural born citizen then producing these documents should not be any problem.

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45 posted on 11/12/2008 7:33:09 AM PST by patriot08
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To: Daveinyork

Honestly, a President Biden looks a lot more appealing than President Obama.


46 posted on 11/12/2008 7:47:55 AM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Beckwith
Here is some documentation:

LINK

Here are some quotes from the above link:

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania - 01/04/07) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, [Berg is a former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania; former candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate; an attorney with offices in Montgomery County, PA and an active practice in Philadelphia, PA, who prior hereto has filed a RICO lawsuit against Bush and others for the events of 9/11 and plans to re-file shortly] announced today that he was issuing a call for world leaders to arrest and try Bush and Cheney for the global crimes of 9/11/01.

Philip J. Berg, Esquire stated in a letter to the nations throughout the world:

"It is time for the nations of the world to come forth and take the leadership because of the failure of the United States Government and the States where crimes were committed on 09/11/01, where no thorough investigation and indictments occurred, to investigate, arrest and prosecute the people responsible for the murders on 9/11/01, specifically including George W. Bush and Richard Cheney."

I do not have primary source documentation, but the above information seems pretty credible.

47 posted on 11/12/2008 7:48:14 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: meandog

My understanding is that this can be challenged up to and including the day the electoral college meets.


48 posted on 11/12/2008 7:49:39 AM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Polarik; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; Jeff Head; ..

Ping.


49 posted on 11/12/2008 7:59:09 AM PST by LucyT
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To: Polarik; LucyT

Even Camilia Paglia has concerns about the birth certificate and mentioned it in her latest column.


50 posted on 11/12/2008 8:05:31 AM PST by porter_knorr
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