Posted on 11/22/2008 9:08:58 PM PST by Polarik
Maybe you weren't paying attention during the race BUT Obama's people said if anything were made about his eligibility he would go nuclear on any one of his opponents that dared to question it.
As I see it that tells me that not only does he have something to hide but he has something to expose on Hillary and McCain that was bad enough to shut down either of them. And there was the threat of full scale riots across the country to contend with, Democrats and the media made clear that if Obama was derailed by any political action there would be rioting in the streets
Obama is not a natural born citizen, at best he is a citizen of four different countries and has no allegiance to this one, or at least not like the founding fathers wanted when they wrote the natural born clause into the constitution.
Dr. Polarik:
If you’re taking flak you must be over the target.
I rarely post on your threads but I read them. I know you don’t need encouragement since you are passionate about this but PLEASE keep up the good work.
Ryan Church:
If you are such an expert to discredit Dr. Polarik why don’t you produce your credentials? Where did you learn to analyze images? Do you have any formal education? And if so, from what institutions and in what fields?
* crickets *
**crickets**
1) ideologially challenged and this cannot form an effecti9ve opposition to the Obama government, enabling his nationalist socialist policies further.
2) non-factual in your foundational criticism of Dr. Polarik. NO ONE, has ever seen Obamas long form birth certificate. It is not available to the public. And so why have we not seen it? It should be a public document for any president of the United States pursuant to Article II of our constitution. Dr. Polarik is right.
Lead follow or get out of the way Mr. Church. The days of politicians like you are swiftly coming to their end .
When “Dr. Ron Polarik PhD” answers two basic questions, I’d be happy to oblige.
1. What are your verifiable credentials?
2. Where did you earn your degree?
If Polarik is requesting fence-sitters to wade through his 160-plus pages of repetitive gobbledy-gook, he should have the common courtesy to provide a smidgeon of documentation.
— Why would McCain bring up the “natural born” issue?
He didn’t meet the eligibility requirement either. He had to leave it alone. —
Just stop right there at Step 1. You really want to get into it, Beckwith? S. Res 511 - the resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain III is a natural-born citizen —passed Senate on April 30, 2008. You know that. So why the lie?
You’re clearly not interested in the truth - just a perpetuation of falsehoods and innuendo.
It always amazes me how much self-importance some people give themselves. Like, which part of “NO” did they not understand?
I ask you again. It’s been over 1/2 hour since I first requested that you furnish your credentials. I think we’ve been patient with you. I’ve shown you the courtesy you have not shown others here. Please be responsive to my request or I will assume you are an imposter. Thank you.
My feeling is “Why bother?” People are going to continue to ask nonsensical questions regardless of what you tell them. They are not smart enough to know the difference between credentials and credibility anyway.
You may wish to post Sandra Lines affidavit here.
There you go again, acting like a liberal. How dare you tell me to stop? And, you call me a liar to boot?
But since you’re cruisin’ for a bruisin’, let me oblige.
First, a resolution has no force in law. You probably didn’t know that.
But, beyond that, loudmouth Leahy actually says that Barack Obama is ineligible for the office of POTUS — read it yourself:
During the bill’s hearing that Sen. Patrick Leahy, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, made the following statement:
“Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”
At a Judiciary Committee hearing on April 3, Leahy asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, himself a former Federal judge, if he had doubts that McCain was eligible to serve as President.
“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.
“That is mine, too,” said Leahy.
What’s interesting here is that Sen. Leahy, the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary, confirms that a “natural born” citizen is the child of American citizen parents.
Parents — that’s two. That’s BOTH parents.
Every time the words, “citizen” and “parent,” are used by Sen. Leahy and Sec. Chertoff, the plural case, “citizens” and “parents,” is used. The plural case is the operative case.
It is Sen. Leahy’s opinion — his own recorded words, in a formal Senate Resolution and on his U. S. Senate website — that Barack Obama is not a “natural born” citizen, and therefore not eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief, regardless of his birthplace.
Obama had one American parent —singular — his mother. His father was a citizen of Kenya, and a subject of Great Britain.
Obama, himself, “at birth,” was a citizen of Kenya, and a subject of Great Britain — he says so on his own campaign website. This fact introduces the concept of “divided loyalties,” — the reason the founders created the eligibility requirement in the first place — a fact that further underlines Obama’s ineligibility.
The source of this information is Sen. Leahy’s own website. The webpage contains a statement about the resolution; the resolution, itself; the Statement Of Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.); and an excerpt of Sec. Chertoff’s testimony.
The plural word “parents” is used four times. When used to identify the parents, the word “citizens” is used five times. That’s nine times that Sen. Leahy, on his own website describes the eligibility requirement. There is NO PLACE in any of these four documents where the singular case of “parent” or “citizen” is used.
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html
Oh, by the way, Obama signed the resolution, so he agrees that he doesn’t meet the requirements of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution — I kind of like the irony in that.
Now, Obot, I await the next opportunity to set you straight.
An expert forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines has filed an affidavit associated with one of the lawsuits stating the following:
1. I am Sandra Ramsey Lines, With an address at... I am a former federal examiner and law enforcement officer. I began training as a forensic document examiner in 1991. I am a Certified Diplomat of Forensic Sciences, a member of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, a member of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and a member of the Questioned Document Subcommittee of the American Society of Testing and Materials. My background and credentials are set forth in Exhibit I attached hereto.
2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.
3. Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for obliterating it.
4. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all.
You just gotta love these liberal trolls.
Been here 15 minutes and wants to make the rules.
Placemerker so I can find Lines’ statement later.
Still waiting ...
Do you know the meaning of the word “Zot?”
Two parents who are U.S. citizens is a requirement only when born outside the United States, like McCain was.
I suggest you read the citizenship statute. You can see it here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html.
Yes, the vault birth certificate would lay the issue to rest, but so would examination of the certified copy of Obama's CoLB. In fact, WND did examine the certified copy and pronounced it genuine.
Do you have a link to the WND pronouncement.
Did WND disclose the name of their examiner(s)?
Thanks . . .
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