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The sad end of victims of SSI
MaineStateGOP ^

Posted on 04/10/2009 9:06:42 AM PDT by mainestategop

As mentioned before, SSI and social security faces the end of its life due to uncontrolled spending and economic deprevations by the government. There is no doubt that coupled with massive debt and spending, the outsourcing of American jobs and the insourcing of undocumented immigrants who take away jobs here, we are looking at the bankruptcy and destruction of American programs including Social security and SSI.

This would no doubt be a humanitarian disaster for those dependant on the two for sustinance espcecially for those incapable of working. It is perhaps an even greater and more horrific disaster for those who have had their livelyhoods taken from them and forced on these programs where they must depend on an unreliable and fianancially drained services that don't work. So it is for those who depend on the government whether or not they have a choice.

We have done several articles on this blog showing how the government steals from the poor and disabled to make them qualify for these programs. For them it is even more devestating. The wealth they acumulated through hard work or windfall is gone. They are forced to rely on a poorly funded and unreliable program that soon will collapse. Their situation is even more tragic because they did not have to be in that situation.

We the American people are in somewhat the same predicament. We had forced on us by traitorous marxists a large bloated government that does not care about the needs and interests of ordinary citizens, only the royal liberal elite and its parasitic immoral and ignorant electorate. The government takes from us all that we work for, undermines our freedom and gives it all too criminals, people who don't want to work. We went from being a free nation and a prosperous nation to being a nation enslaved under 10+trillion debt and communist government regulations.

Soon we too will share some of the fate as those disinfranchised and without support. We basically had no choice.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Education; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; scam; socialism; socialsecurity; ssi

1 posted on 04/10/2009 9:06:43 AM PDT by mainestategop
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To: mainestategop

I’ve always figured Social Security was just a tax like any other — money that I will never see again.

SnakeDoc


2 posted on 04/10/2009 9:09:05 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The night is darkest just before the dawn -- but ... the dawn is coming." -- Harvey Dent)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Nope, You WONT see it ever again. Its a scam.


3 posted on 04/10/2009 9:12:14 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Seniors and baby boomers who voted for O (and did not vote for O) will soon see how they will be screwed.

O is using the same playbook the left used in the UK. Old people and pensioners get nothing while muslim asylum seekers get free houses, the dole (welfare money), and ENDLESS other benefits. The Islamification of the UK for the Saudis paid for by UK taxpayers - coming to America.

Their social security money will go to illegal aliens. Seniors will also see health care rationed.

I doubt even a landslide by the GOP in 2010 will turn it around now.


4 posted on 04/10/2009 9:19:58 AM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: mainestategop

And how did we handle this before SS and SSI? Family, friends and faith. The problem with our society today is that many of these programs actually seem to separate us from those who do or should love us. These government programs have allowed family, especially, to foist off its problems to the impersonal government which does not have the power—willpower or enforcement—to insist that folks clean up their acts if they want benefits. This led to the benefits being diluted by supporting drug addicts, alcoholics, AIDS sufferers, and psychological malingerers. It also upped the incentive to game the system. Coupled with the 60s generation which wanted no one telling them what to do, we created an entire generation (or two or three) which wants to be independent of family and other support groups except for the government. The end result we saw in France awhile back during that heat wave where kids and grandkids took off for the beach while grandmere and grandpere died of heat stroke in the government subsidized apartments.

I don’t want to minimize the suffering of folks on SS and SSI, nor do I impugn those who are truly disabled, but perhaps the silver lining in this will be to help people reconnect with their own family and faiths and start behaving as though their lives depended on it.


5 posted on 04/10/2009 9:20:42 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: mainestategop

Back in 2005, when President Bush was floating his ideas about saving Social Security - which the LIBs have gleefully put forth as THEIR idea - I confronted Rep. Castle (RINO, DE) about the guarantees for those who paid into the system.

He said ten, in front of over 100+ people, that no politician would ever vote to do away with it. Once again, his mouth was moving; ergo, he lied!

You want to see a protest; just wait until millions of >65’s revolt.


6 posted on 04/10/2009 9:22:07 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: caseinpoint
And how did we handle this before SS and SSI? Family, friends and faith.

I don’t want to minimize the suffering of folks on SS and SSI, nor do I impugn those who are truly disabled, but perhaps the silver lining in this will be to help people reconnect with their own family and faiths and start behaving as though their lives depended on it.

Most of these people have no families. Some of the people I met who were ripped off by relatives who used the SSI scam. The churches of our land don't care and pay no heed to the lords commands to help the poor. We NEED to minimize their suffering but the current system we have won't work. We have to many regulations and restrictions keeping people out of the work force. IE: YOu need a social security card and photo ID or no work, the employers have to pay fees and taxes that make them cut jobs and wages. Some of these people are handicapped and can't work. In addition, the family system is in shambles and people are getting benefits because they dont want to work, just do drugs and make trouble.

At best the ONLY time government should give out benefits is if the recipient is unable to work because he is to old, physically or mentally challenged or out of their mind. THAT'S IT! Nothing for people who CAN work for a living.

7 posted on 04/10/2009 9:30:08 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: Frantzie

>> I doubt even a landslide by the GOP in 2010 will turn it around now.

I wouldn’t go that far. Though I understand the despair often encountered on this board, I grow weary of it. There is reason for hope — and there is no strength in despondence. Hope is strength in the face of darkness.

We are not yet defeated.

SnakeDoc


8 posted on 04/10/2009 9:33:33 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The night is darkest just before the dawn -- but ... the dawn is coming." -- Harvey Dent)
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To: Frantzie
Seniors will also see health care rationed.

If we get any at all. The left want them to JUST DIE ALREADY.

9 posted on 04/10/2009 9:34:51 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Well why do you think they support Euthanasia? They want people to die so they can siphon more of that money to young degenerates.


10 posted on 04/10/2009 9:37:25 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: caseinpoint
I don’t want to minimize the suffering of folks on SS and SSI, nor do I impugn those who are truly disabled, but perhaps the silver lining in this will be to help people reconnect with their own family and faiths and start behaving as though their lives depended on it.

We don't need guvmint control making people do anything like this. They already control enough of our lives. I'm sick of all the laws and control we are getting. America use to be FREE and with morals. Now it's less free and no morals. It's becoming like Britain.

11 posted on 04/10/2009 9:43:00 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: mainestategop

Of course.


12 posted on 04/10/2009 9:43:49 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: mainestategop

“At best the ONLY time government should give out benefits is if the recipient is unable to work because he is to old, physically or mentally challenged or out of their mind. THAT’S IT! Nothing for people who CAN work for a living.”

That would clearly be the ideal situation. While I know that the disabled have been used and abused by family members, I also think we need to start relying on those traditional supports more. The federal government is too easily both the abuser and the abused in these situations and a lot of it comes down to a loss of real morality, dignity and honor among the citizenry. We have beatified indolence and demonized industry. We have sat quietly by while our society defines its values as immediate gratification, no matter the long-term costs. Families have been decimated by government policy and need to be built up again.

BTW, my church maintains a significant welfare program which requires recipients to rely first on themselves, then their families and church last, and requires some labor in return for the benefits. The benefits are rarely cash, instead it is usually food and assistance by congregation members with talents to help. The guiding rule is that the welfare help maintains a life but not a lifestyle. If it is apparent the person is living beyond their means, or wants money to maintain an unrealistic mortgage or credit card bills, the person is counseled on how to restructure their lifestyle to a more realistic one for them.

We can’t control that societal decay through better government programs. The best we can do is try to control the costs while turning society back to the bedrock values that built this country. By all means, there are many, many people who need and deserve to have government support. But there are many, many others who have no higher ambitions when they finish their formal education than to live on government largesse because that is what their parents did or their friends are doing. The root of the problem is the idea that government can meet our needs. That’s something which needs to be tackled as it will take another generation or two to reverse the slide. There needs to be increasing consequences to making bad decisions. Unfortunately, I see no one in power willing to tackle such a task. They seldom look beyond the next election and what government funds can purchase in terms of votes.


13 posted on 04/10/2009 9:48:58 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: mainestategop

The failure has nothing to do with outsourcing or illegal immigration. The whole system was flawed from day one. The inevitable outcome is coming in the next ten years.


14 posted on 04/10/2009 9:51:37 AM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

“We don’t need guvmint control making people do anything like this. They already control enough of our lives. I’m sick of all the laws and control we are getting. America use to be FREE and with morals. Now it’s less free and no morals. It’s becoming like Britain.”

Government won’t be forcing us to do this. We will need to do this to survive because government can’t meet all needs. Traditionally a lot of families hung together while the older generation tended the younger generation, and when the younger generation reached adulthood, it help ease the trials of the older generation. Looking back in history, it was not unusual for three generations to live together, grandma or maiden aunt tending the wee ones while the parents worked in the fields or factories. There was a connection from one generation to another. One of the reasons this country and the world at large lurches from one bad social idea to another is because we seldom now think how our decisions will affect the next generation. There are too many people whose families are in shambles and who have no one but themselves, and Uncle Sam, on which to rely. Britain and much of Europe got where they are by stepping in and replacing the family. The U.S. is just shambling along in their path. I read one commentator who opined that the U.S. was about twenty years behind Britain in their social programs.

Americans used to be free and had morals which has definitely changed but freedom means freedom to suffer bad consequences and that is where the government has messed up the situation. By trying to help people avoid the bad consequences of their decisions, they have usurped the freedom people used to have. Because government doesn’t want you to fall down, it will keep you from getting too high. Responsible people, those who would climb high without falling down, are charged with paying for those who make bad decisions. This restricts the freedom of everyone.

In the old free nation, people had a right to do what they wanted. If they wanted to succeed, they could do so but they could also drink or drug themselves to death without government interference. If they rebelled against their families, they had freedom to be on their own but they also risked dying alone, starved on a frozen prairie somewhere. If they wanted help, they sought it out from family or faith, which had the right to insist the person do their part.


15 posted on 04/10/2009 10:03:32 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: mainestategop
“At best the ONLY time government should give out benefits is if the recipient is unable to work because he is to old, physically or mentally challenged or out of their mind. THAT'S IT! Nothing for people who CAN work for a living.”
B.S. I paid into the plan all my working life. I should have a right to receive payments back from the plan, starting at age 65, until my death no matter how wealthy I am or how much other income I make. There should be a lump sum payment to my heirs if I die prematurely or don't live to a 100. This was a Ponzi scheme that was abused by the government, but that fact doesn't excuse the government from it's obligation. Now the fact that they are giving away money to slackers that never paid into the system and handing benefits over to illegal aliens is a matter they should be impeached over.
16 posted on 04/10/2009 10:18:45 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

I said those who COULDN’T work. Genuine article.


17 posted on 04/10/2009 11:48:04 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: mainestategop; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...

Hey, is that mine?...Ping!


18 posted on 04/10/2009 5:56:04 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: mainestategop

I get Social Security but what is SSI


19 posted on 04/10/2009 6:01:03 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: caseinpoint

Me. You’re story is me. I am disabled and forced to retire. If not for my young adult sons, I would be homeless. Thankfully, 22 years ago, when I divorced, I didn’t spend my time running around trying to find another husband...I concentrated on properly raising my sons, doing all that was best for them first, and maintaining a career. Unfortunately doing it alone, I never remarried, it took it’s toll on my physical health. However, my sons have stepped up to the plate...”family first” they say. Even though I am now on SSD, I am so grateful for the sacrifices they have made and continue to make every day. I am not ashamed to accept the so-called “entitlements” I paid into throughout my career. My regret is that without SSD, the burden will be far, far greater on my sons. They are all under 30....far too young, IMO, to have to already be caring for their mother. THIS is the reason, for me personally, that I do whatever in my power I can to fight illegal immigration/amnesty.


20 posted on 04/10/2009 7:19:43 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: dalereed

SSI is the money given to disabled and poor who haven’t worked enough to collect full SS. It is a set amount...here in Ohio, about 600 a month, plus full Medicaid, and other “entitlements”, i.e., food stamps, housing, cash assistance, utility assistance...whereas regular SS is based on the number of years worked (I think 10 yrs is required) and comes with Medicare only.

The McCain/kennedy amnesty would have allowed illegals to collect SS after only 18 months.


21 posted on 04/10/2009 7:25:58 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: mainestategop; All

Thanks for posting. The greatest fraud ever FORCED on “free people”...by...socialists. Great thread. Thanks to all posters.


22 posted on 04/10/2009 7:27:29 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: HiJinx

Thanks for the ping, HiJinx.


23 posted on 04/10/2009 7:29:28 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: dalereed
Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is administered by SSA but SSI is not part of the social security system.

"A White House Task Force [1994] is considering a proposal that would deny Supplemental Security Income benefits to elderly legal immigrants unless they become US citizens. Illegal immigrants are not [legally] eligible for SSI benefits. The SSI program is a major source of support for needy elderly legal immigrants, since many do not qualify for Social Security benefits because they did not work in the United States.

"The number of immigrants receiving SSI has increased from 128,000 in 1982 to 601,000 in 1993. About 150,000 new applications for SSI are received from legal aliens each year. Two-thirds of the immigrant SSI recipients are elderly, reflecting the tendency of some immigrants who have become US citizens to bring their parents into the country, and then have their parents apply for SSI. The number of parents who immigrate to join their children in the US has increased from 40,000 in 1985 to 65,000 in 1993. By not permitting immigrants to obtain SSI, AFDC and Food Stamp benefits until they become US citizens--meaning they must wait at least 5 years--the Task Force estimates savings of over $1.2 billion per year."

Here [End of quote. My emphasis]

By 1996 a huge percent of those on SSI were foreign elderly relatives of legal immigrants. In some cases the elderly parents returned to the home country, I've heard, after the checks started coming.

In 1996 Congress passed reforms which initially denied SSI to elderly immigrants upon arrival in the States. Modifications to the reform over the years have weakened the restrictions but as far as I know the changes were limited to allowing those elderly immigrants already receiving SSI [in August 1996] to continue to receive SSI.

24 posted on 04/10/2009 8:03:30 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Kimberly GG

You are exactly the person the system is designed to help: someone who stepped up to the plate as long as she was able, who paid into the system, and who relies on family where possible. It is the ne’re-do-wells and those who feel entitled to foist all their responsibilities to their own families to the government and then demand the government care for them in the lifestyle to which they wish to be entitled. You have my highest respect for what you are doing, and don’t worry about the kids. God has a way of blessing those who honor their parents.


25 posted on 04/10/2009 9:29:06 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: caseinpoint

Oh, how kind of you. I really didn’t mean to go on so much, but I related so closely to your post and I think that sometimes it’s ok to put personal things...I learn so much from FReepers! Thank you.


26 posted on 04/10/2009 9:49:05 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: mainestategop
SSI and social security faces the end of its life due to uncontrolled spending and economic deprevations by the government

LOL, put down the bong! Big government will soon be "appropriating" private retirement accounts to fund SSI (AKA "welfare") and social security.

27 posted on 04/10/2009 10:04:08 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: dalereed
I get Social Security but what is SSI

"Crazy checks".

28 posted on 04/10/2009 10:05:53 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: dalereed

SSI is suplemental security assistance. It doesn’t come from SS trust fund but the general treasury. (Both of which are empty now.) The amount of money recieved depends on which state you live in. The average amount is I think 675 a month while in Massachusettes its like 750 a month. California has the most generous system where you get 850 a month but they tend to deduct that from food stamps. In order to qualify you need less than 2000$ a month. people are often forced on SSI against their will by government adult protective services and abusive family member in order to provide an excuse to confiscate funds. In the end most of these people will have nothing.


29 posted on 04/11/2009 8:28:16 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: Lancey Howard

crazy is hardly a word I would use. Its more than crazy, its corrupt and fraudulent.


30 posted on 04/11/2009 8:29:32 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: mainestategop
crazy is hardly a word I would use. Its more than crazy, its corrupt and fraudulent.

Of course. It's the government.

31 posted on 04/11/2009 8:38:56 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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