Posted on 04/10/2009 9:06:42 AM PDT by mainestategop
As mentioned before, SSI and social security faces the end of its life due to uncontrolled spending and economic deprevations by the government. There is no doubt that coupled with massive debt and spending, the outsourcing of American jobs and the insourcing of undocumented immigrants who take away jobs here, we are looking at the bankruptcy and destruction of American programs including Social security and SSI.
This would no doubt be a humanitarian disaster for those dependant on the two for sustinance espcecially for those incapable of working. It is perhaps an even greater and more horrific disaster for those who have had their livelyhoods taken from them and forced on these programs where they must depend on an unreliable and fianancially drained services that don't work. So it is for those who depend on the government whether or not they have a choice.
We have done several articles on this blog showing how the government steals from the poor and disabled to make them qualify for these programs. For them it is even more devestating. The wealth they acumulated through hard work or windfall is gone. They are forced to rely on a poorly funded and unreliable program that soon will collapse. Their situation is even more tragic because they did not have to be in that situation.
We the American people are in somewhat the same predicament. We had forced on us by traitorous marxists a large bloated government that does not care about the needs and interests of ordinary citizens, only the royal liberal elite and its parasitic immoral and ignorant electorate. The government takes from us all that we work for, undermines our freedom and gives it all too criminals, people who don't want to work. We went from being a free nation and a prosperous nation to being a nation enslaved under 10+trillion debt and communist government regulations.
Soon we too will share some of the fate as those disinfranchised and without support. We basically had no choice.
I’ve always figured Social Security was just a tax like any other — money that I will never see again.
SnakeDoc
Nope, You WONT see it ever again. Its a scam.
Seniors and baby boomers who voted for O (and did not vote for O) will soon see how they will be screwed.
O is using the same playbook the left used in the UK. Old people and pensioners get nothing while muslim asylum seekers get free houses, the dole (welfare money), and ENDLESS other benefits. The Islamification of the UK for the Saudis paid for by UK taxpayers - coming to America.
Their social security money will go to illegal aliens. Seniors will also see health care rationed.
I doubt even a landslide by the GOP in 2010 will turn it around now.
And how did we handle this before SS and SSI? Family, friends and faith. The problem with our society today is that many of these programs actually seem to separate us from those who do or should love us. These government programs have allowed family, especially, to foist off its problems to the impersonal government which does not have the power—willpower or enforcement—to insist that folks clean up their acts if they want benefits. This led to the benefits being diluted by supporting drug addicts, alcoholics, AIDS sufferers, and psychological malingerers. It also upped the incentive to game the system. Coupled with the 60s generation which wanted no one telling them what to do, we created an entire generation (or two or three) which wants to be independent of family and other support groups except for the government. The end result we saw in France awhile back during that heat wave where kids and grandkids took off for the beach while grandmere and grandpere died of heat stroke in the government subsidized apartments.
I don’t want to minimize the suffering of folks on SS and SSI, nor do I impugn those who are truly disabled, but perhaps the silver lining in this will be to help people reconnect with their own family and faiths and start behaving as though their lives depended on it.
Back in 2005, when President Bush was floating his ideas about saving Social Security - which the LIBs have gleefully put forth as THEIR idea - I confronted Rep. Castle (RINO, DE) about the guarantees for those who paid into the system.
He said ten, in front of over 100+ people, that no politician would ever vote to do away with it. Once again, his mouth was moving; ergo, he lied!
You want to see a protest; just wait until millions of >65’s revolt.
I don’t want to minimize the suffering of folks on SS and SSI, nor do I impugn those who are truly disabled, but perhaps the silver lining in this will be to help people reconnect with their own family and faiths and start behaving as though their lives depended on it.
Most of these people have no families. Some of the people I met who were ripped off by relatives who used the SSI scam. The churches of our land don't care and pay no heed to the lords commands to help the poor. We NEED to minimize their suffering but the current system we have won't work. We have to many regulations and restrictions keeping people out of the work force. IE: YOu need a social security card and photo ID or no work, the employers have to pay fees and taxes that make them cut jobs and wages. Some of these people are handicapped and can't work. In addition, the family system is in shambles and people are getting benefits because they dont want to work, just do drugs and make trouble.
At best the ONLY time government should give out benefits is if the recipient is unable to work because he is to old, physically or mentally challenged or out of their mind. THAT'S IT! Nothing for people who CAN work for a living.
>> I doubt even a landslide by the GOP in 2010 will turn it around now.
I wouldn’t go that far. Though I understand the despair often encountered on this board, I grow weary of it. There is reason for hope — and there is no strength in despondence. Hope is strength in the face of darkness.
We are not yet defeated.
SnakeDoc
If we get any at all. The left want them to JUST DIE ALREADY.
Well why do you think they support Euthanasia? They want people to die so they can siphon more of that money to young degenerates.
We don't need guvmint control making people do anything like this. They already control enough of our lives. I'm sick of all the laws and control we are getting. America use to be FREE and with morals. Now it's less free and no morals. It's becoming like Britain.
Of course.
“At best the ONLY time government should give out benefits is if the recipient is unable to work because he is to old, physically or mentally challenged or out of their mind. THAT’S IT! Nothing for people who CAN work for a living.”
That would clearly be the ideal situation. While I know that the disabled have been used and abused by family members, I also think we need to start relying on those traditional supports more. The federal government is too easily both the abuser and the abused in these situations and a lot of it comes down to a loss of real morality, dignity and honor among the citizenry. We have beatified indolence and demonized industry. We have sat quietly by while our society defines its values as immediate gratification, no matter the long-term costs. Families have been decimated by government policy and need to be built up again.
BTW, my church maintains a significant welfare program which requires recipients to rely first on themselves, then their families and church last, and requires some labor in return for the benefits. The benefits are rarely cash, instead it is usually food and assistance by congregation members with talents to help. The guiding rule is that the welfare help maintains a life but not a lifestyle. If it is apparent the person is living beyond their means, or wants money to maintain an unrealistic mortgage or credit card bills, the person is counseled on how to restructure their lifestyle to a more realistic one for them.
We can’t control that societal decay through better government programs. The best we can do is try to control the costs while turning society back to the bedrock values that built this country. By all means, there are many, many people who need and deserve to have government support. But there are many, many others who have no higher ambitions when they finish their formal education than to live on government largesse because that is what their parents did or their friends are doing. The root of the problem is the idea that government can meet our needs. That’s something which needs to be tackled as it will take another generation or two to reverse the slide. There needs to be increasing consequences to making bad decisions. Unfortunately, I see no one in power willing to tackle such a task. They seldom look beyond the next election and what government funds can purchase in terms of votes.
The failure has nothing to do with outsourcing or illegal immigration. The whole system was flawed from day one. The inevitable outcome is coming in the next ten years.
“We don’t need guvmint control making people do anything like this. They already control enough of our lives. I’m sick of all the laws and control we are getting. America use to be FREE and with morals. Now it’s less free and no morals. It’s becoming like Britain.”
Government won’t be forcing us to do this. We will need to do this to survive because government can’t meet all needs. Traditionally a lot of families hung together while the older generation tended the younger generation, and when the younger generation reached adulthood, it help ease the trials of the older generation. Looking back in history, it was not unusual for three generations to live together, grandma or maiden aunt tending the wee ones while the parents worked in the fields or factories. There was a connection from one generation to another. One of the reasons this country and the world at large lurches from one bad social idea to another is because we seldom now think how our decisions will affect the next generation. There are too many people whose families are in shambles and who have no one but themselves, and Uncle Sam, on which to rely. Britain and much of Europe got where they are by stepping in and replacing the family. The U.S. is just shambling along in their path. I read one commentator who opined that the U.S. was about twenty years behind Britain in their social programs.
Americans used to be free and had morals which has definitely changed but freedom means freedom to suffer bad consequences and that is where the government has messed up the situation. By trying to help people avoid the bad consequences of their decisions, they have usurped the freedom people used to have. Because government doesn’t want you to fall down, it will keep you from getting too high. Responsible people, those who would climb high without falling down, are charged with paying for those who make bad decisions. This restricts the freedom of everyone.
In the old free nation, people had a right to do what they wanted. If they wanted to succeed, they could do so but they could also drink or drug themselves to death without government interference. If they rebelled against their families, they had freedom to be on their own but they also risked dying alone, starved on a frozen prairie somewhere. If they wanted help, they sought it out from family or faith, which had the right to insist the person do their part.
I said those who COULDN’T work. Genuine article.
Hey, is that mine?...Ping!
I get Social Security but what is SSI
Me. You’re story is me. I am disabled and forced to retire. If not for my young adult sons, I would be homeless. Thankfully, 22 years ago, when I divorced, I didn’t spend my time running around trying to find another husband...I concentrated on properly raising my sons, doing all that was best for them first, and maintaining a career. Unfortunately doing it alone, I never remarried, it took it’s toll on my physical health. However, my sons have stepped up to the plate...”family first” they say. Even though I am now on SSD, I am so grateful for the sacrifices they have made and continue to make every day. I am not ashamed to accept the so-called “entitlements” I paid into throughout my career. My regret is that without SSD, the burden will be far, far greater on my sons. They are all under 30....far too young, IMO, to have to already be caring for their mother. THIS is the reason, for me personally, that I do whatever in my power I can to fight illegal immigration/amnesty.
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