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Girly Men and Girly Sons
Townhall ^ | July 1, 2008 | Katy Grimes

Posted on 05/31/2009 12:03:15 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I have written a great deal about the feminization of America's boys. While Feminists have become more masculine with every passing year, men and boys have become wimpy, feminized and afraid of their own shadows.

About five years ago at a Boy Scout meeting for my son who had been recently promoted to Boy Scout from Weeblos, I looked around the room and shivered. I leaned over to my husband and whispered, "There's not a single male role model in this room." Shortly after that meeting, my son changed Boy Scout troops to another where men ran the troop - although many pushy mothers tried.

Between the teachers, pushy feminist mothers, lawyers and Hollywood depicting men as idiots, men have been relegated to the dufus category and boys are cry babies. On the playground, boys can't play chase - someone might get hurt. Boys can't fight - someone might get hurt. They can't play on the monkey bars or jungle gyms, or play King of the Hill, or tackle soccer, or anything that might involve getting roughed up. Even in dodge ball, boys get in trouble for throwing the ball too hard at girls.

In 1st grade, my son was asked not to return to the snooty school he attended. I wondered what egregious act he might have committed to elicit such a strong, negative response from the school. The only answer I got from his teacher is that he got in trouble for being squirrly in the PE line. This was a female-dominated school, where natural boyish behavior was supressed and they were made to learn French. Obviously, it was a blessing that my son did not continue attending such a female dominated, effeminizing, snob school. And today, he's at a Midshipman at the Naval Academy - manly stuff.

Feminists are miserable women - they want to dominate men, and then when they succeed at that, they hate the men they dominate. Feminists have become so masculine over the years, it's often difficult to differentiate between a "feminist" and a gender-bending woman. It used to be attractive to be feminine. Manly men liked us, and we where happy being pretty, wearing dresses and makeup, being good mommies and wives, and often managing work.

I heard a recent interview with columnist Kathleen Parker. Her new book, "Save The Males" is an accurate depiction of our anti-male culture and the ramifications. We are living the evidence.

In September 2006, I wrote The Selfish Pursuit of Feminism, and later turned it into a newspaper column here. And in 2005, I wrote my first post on the Feminizing of Boys here. It's a problem, and a big one. A boy with a feminist mother does not have a chance; he's been terrorized for years. When he realizes who he is, he's already married to a demanding, pushy wife.

Parents must take charge of their boys and refuse to allow schools and female teachers to dictate medications and treatments that render them docile.

I'd like your thoughts and experiences. And if you wear socks with your sandals, don't bother.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Conspiracy; Education; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: agenda; bookreview; boys; education; feminazi; feminazis; feminists; feminization; girlymen; girlysons; homeschooling; homosexualagenda; savethemales; teachersunions
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1 posted on 05/31/2009 12:03:15 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Glad to hear this coming from a woman. I rant about this all the time. Unfortunately, the dropout rate among boys continues to grow.


2 posted on 05/31/2009 12:20:59 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m as much a man as any man was or ever will be.
I don’t care what is expected of men only what I expect of myself.
I treat women as they should be and they had better act like the women I expect them to be.
Don’t expect me to be anything but what I am for you will be either amazed or disappointed, depending upon your view and outlook on live.
I am a man. F*ck you! I don’t bloody give a damn what you think or expect.
I am !


3 posted on 05/31/2009 12:33:47 AM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Boys can't fight - someone might get hurt.”

That's the whole point...if your intent isn't to maim and disfigure your opponent, then stay on the porch with the girls.

I must make a confession, my life as a kid was a lonely existence...none of the mothers in my neck of the woods would allow their boys to play with me, I was too rough. The other boys ALWAYS went home with a bloody nose.
My dad taught me to fight right out of the womb and I enjoyed it, we were a wrestling and boxing family.

But I was a pariah in my neighborhood, and even my own mother thought that I was too violent.
Then as a young man, I joined the United States Marine Corps
and I thought that I had died and gone to pugilist heaven.

All is well now, and I have my self esteem back /s. I've been teaching kids the art of martial combat for years now in my garage...my nephews dubbed it “Uncle Mark's School of Death. My point is, if boys aren't taught to be rough when needed, then we'll end up with an emasculated culture, like we have at the present. MEN, afraid to stand up to Obama, because it hurt their approval ratings. Ha! I'd send that little Kenyan usurper home with a bloody nose!

4 posted on 05/31/2009 12:49:45 AM PDT by Semper Mark (Barack Hussein Obama is an enemy of our liberty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
. . . Boy Scout meeting for my son who had been recently promoted to Boy Scout from Weeblos . . .

Anybody who has been in the Scouts knows it is Webelos.

5 posted on 05/31/2009 12:53:30 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Kim du Toit had an interesting essay piece in 2003 entitled The Pussification of the Western Male.

He didn't mince words.

6 posted on 05/31/2009 12:59:07 AM PDT by SloopJohnB (Annoy a Liberal: Work hard and live free)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's a year 2000 VIDEO on the government funded attack against men through restraining orders.
7 posted on 05/31/2009 1:13:30 AM PDT by joeu01
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here are some things you can do about it. Keep your boys around their most important male role models, Dad, Grandpa, Uncles, Coaches (but not alone with them unless you are sure the sons know all about “bad” men no matter who they are) as often as you can.

Do not bash men with your friends, women. Your kids are listening. Don’t purchase all of the many male-bashing greeting cards. It’s OK to joke about men if you also joke about women equally and are affectionate about it.

Do not join churches, synagogues, and other family gathering places that are run by women. As soon as women start running the place, the men leave or do not participate. (This is a gross generality so check for exceptions too!)

Also remember that SOME feminization of boys lately has to do with a lot of plastics and estrogenic chemicals polluting our environment, especially their mothers’ wombs. This is not the fault of societal man-bashing and it’s not their fault. Research estrogenic pollutants and try to keep your lives free of as many as is possible.


8 posted on 05/31/2009 1:21:56 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Teach your boys how to shoot. Then teach them to ride a bike. They get experience in proper handling of firearms at that early age and they will be immune to feminization.


9 posted on 05/31/2009 1:26:22 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: jongaltsr
[ I am a man. F*ck you! I don’t bloody give a damn what you think or expect. ]

You sound kinda gay..

10 posted on 05/31/2009 1:30:41 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...they want to dominate men, and then when they succeed at that, they hate the men they dominate"

Spirit of Jezebel....

"When he realizes who he is, he's already married to a demanding, pushy wife."

I've also noticed that demanding, pushy wives are invariably spendaholics. There must be exceptions, I've just never seen one.

11 posted on 05/31/2009 1:42:20 AM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly. 2 Cor. 10:3-5)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

i noticed this early on when i moved from boston to no. virginia (’87 to ‘95). the feminized men started appearing mostly around the early 90s, probably coinciding with the incoming liberal horde from the clinton admin. a friend from boston came down around ‘94 and she asked why all the guys were so girly... “liberals” is all i said.

it boils down to the male desire to couple with females, and the liberal American female demand for docile men. either give them what they want, or move on. which was fine for me... but when the environment of available women goes liberal heavy, the pickin’ start getting mighty slim. hence the move to florida (that, and i couldn’t handle the bs i was seeing/hearing at the time)

if American women ever wonder why American guys like Asian women... it’s because they’re feminine. they bathe. they shave. they smell nice. they comb their hair. they are polite. they aren’t fat. they aren’t mean & nasty. they don’t dress slutty. and they don’t sleep around (not that i have heard/seen, anyhow)

also, i live in florida... socks are considered formal wear and strictly taboo with sandals (unless you’re a fruit)


12 posted on 05/31/2009 2:02:22 AM PDT by sten
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
or play King of the Hill

I can see that. Probably too many fights over who gets to be Boomhauer.

13 posted on 05/31/2009 2:04:39 AM PDT by murdoog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I leaned over to my husband and whispered, "There's not a single male role model in this room."

What an insult! Her husband isn't a male role model? Or was he not in the room? Was she leaning over to talk to him on a speakerphone or something?
14 posted on 05/31/2009 2:19:33 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: advance_copy
"Teach your boys how to shoot."

I gave my son a Ruger 10/22 for Christmas when he was 10 years old. He was thrilled. We had a lot of fun with that firearm. One of my sisters was aghast that we gave him that firearm. One of her sons is now an open homosexual. Our son is a Marine Corporal with two fine children.

15 posted on 05/31/2009 2:45:19 AM PDT by RushLake (Democrats & Maobama have never met a terrorist they didn't like.)
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To: murdoog

Dang ole, dang ole, seen ‘em in the dang ole playground, dang ole sissy boys...


16 posted on 05/31/2009 2:46:30 AM PDT by scottinoc
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To: advance_copy

I did this for my son and my two daughters.

They also got mini courses in bow and arrows and other self-defense. Nothing too heavy just a light introduction.

Beyond that I told them from an early age that if their teachers ever knew that they were conservative or anything like conservative they would get lower grades or other mean things would be done to them.

I told them that blacks would get off easier than them in school and society. PS they went to integrated schools and they said it was obvious.

I also told them about the heterophobic teachings in school and that the goal was to psychologically change them.

Parents who are conservative do not adequately educate their kids. You can tell them the truth about a lot of things that you normally would not want to tell them. If you don’t, the homos and other adult liberal perverts will do it for you and they will start in first grade.


17 posted on 05/31/2009 2:50:48 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: hosepipe
You sound kinda gay...

Hahaha!

LOL, so I wasn't the only one who found that comment a bit gay...

18 posted on 05/31/2009 2:51:26 AM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: sten

if American women ever wonder why American guys like Asian women...

Married one. Also FROM Boston.

The desire of men to play by women’s rules in the hope of “getting some” is, I agree, the crux of the problem. And, as stated, the women end up hating the men they have molded. It didn’t used to be like this. Women didn’t “win” (un)equal rights. Weak men surrendered the power and responsibility that they held. Now, look where we are. Gay marriage, fatherless homes, a Nanny state...


19 posted on 05/31/2009 3:04:20 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
natural boyish behavior was supressed and they were made to learn French.

Maybe this is supposed to be funny... but there is nothing wrong about learning French. Goodness...

20 posted on 05/31/2009 3:05:03 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to become slaves of Washington.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Made to learn French, is girly? What language would be considered manly?


21 posted on 05/31/2009 3:09:46 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

The whole thing sounded gay to me.


22 posted on 05/31/2009 3:12:51 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: SloopJohnB

I’m not listening to any talk of male pussification from a man named Kim.


23 posted on 05/31/2009 3:21:50 AM PDT by RC one
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wear socks with my sandals, do the cooking, help with the dishes, and have a lisp.

But for some reason, nobody ever calls me effeminate.

(Posting from an undisclosed location in Wisconsin where I have led my family on a 55-mile bike ride.)

As far as your article goes, click here.

Cheers!

24 posted on 05/31/2009 3:25:08 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: stuartcr

Russian?


25 posted on 05/31/2009 3:27:36 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to become slaves of Washington.")
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To: murdoog
>or play King of the Hill I can see that. Probably too many fights over who gets to be Boomhauer.

And therein lies one of the keys to the pussification of American boys -- the cultural references of manliness have been corrupted and/or misappropriated.

King of the Hill. The reply references a TV show (and I take it as a deliberately posed irony that murdoog is completely aware of and is using to make the same point I am expanding on). I've seen it about half of one time -- it fell into the forumlaic animated "comedy" that pokes fun at some aspect of middle class America.

But the "King of the Hill" to which the article referred is a rough-and-tumble game where one kid tries to maintain his position at the top of a slope (the steeper the better, and if some trees or thorny brambles were at the bottom, that was GREAT!), while all the others try to knock him off, by whatever means possible (short of weapons -- resorting to using a weapon was admitting you were a loser.

The cultural reference of Dad -- the hardworking, family-focused, fix-the-toaster/car/bike, play catch with the boys, paint the house man of the house has given way to the TV Dad -- the bumbling, butt-of-all-jokes, needs-to-be-rescued (usually by patient wise wife or precocious smart-ass kids) buffoon.

And the erosion of the traditional American hero image is a whole 'nuther thread . . . .

26 posted on 05/31/2009 3:36:48 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: RC one; SloopJohnB

Kim du Toit is a manly man. I suggest you read some of the essays on his web site.

http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/essays/


27 posted on 05/31/2009 3:41:59 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Gotta vent here...

I see kids today riding bikes with so much padding on they look like Darth Vader. Helmets, knee pads, elbow pads, etc. I was talking with a friend I have known since the third grade and we carried golf clubs, baseball gloves, bats, balls, hockey sticks, school books and a myriad of other things on our bikes.

We never once wore a helmet. If we fell, we got back up on the bike and kept going. Kids today are pansies.

28 posted on 05/31/2009 4:00:57 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: stuartcr

What language would be considered manly?

German of course.


29 posted on 05/31/2009 4:08:28 AM PDT by wita
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To: SolidWood

“Russian?”

(a supposedly `masculine’ language as opposed to French)

Don’t know ‘bout that. I was deployed to Uzbekistan (former USSR) where I heard beautiful Central Asian women speaking Russian and Russian-accented English in a way that was feminine and seductive beyond belief.


30 posted on 05/31/2009 4:18:04 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Markos33

31 posted on 05/31/2009 4:24:33 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Yaelle
When it comes to places run heavy duty feminist types, stay away from them. The BIG (very) bossette where I worked once had a stupid kid and a real loser of a husband. Every Monday or Tuesday there would be the stupid male family member updates. They were all pretty worthless and bitter people. I had the misfortune to meet them a few times and was never impressed.
32 posted on 05/31/2009 4:31:18 AM PDT by wally_bert (My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

what’s “tackle soccer”? Sounds fun.

This gave me a laugh though:
“I looked around the room and shivered. I leaned over to my husband and whispered, “There’s not a single male role model in this room.””

Wonder how that made her husband feel.


33 posted on 05/31/2009 4:32:50 AM PDT by NYIslander
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To: wita
What language would be considered manly? German of course.

Sprockets?

34 posted on 05/31/2009 4:32:50 AM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to become slaves of Washington.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Quote: Manly men liked us, and we where happy being pretty, wearing dresses and makeup, being good mommies and wives, and often managing work.

I completely agree that masculinity needs to be salvaged from the wrekage brought on by liberal “me first, but recognise my feelings” attitude. However, as a woman I take offence to the statement I quoted above. We do not exist to satisfy men. I am a TRUE CONSERVATIVE, and I don’t appreciate ANYONE telling me what I should or should not be doing. Be it 0 or anyone else, nobody tells me what to do. My life is great because I choose to make it that way, not because someone tells me what’s appropriate or acceptable. If you like being given the definition of “woman” by someone, go ahead and join the dems, they love to tell people what’s acceptable. I’ll continue to celebrate my FREEDOM as a citizen of The USA!!!

As a single mom I say this: stay away, you’re holding 50% of the country from being taken seriously about everything that’s wrong right now!!!!!


35 posted on 05/31/2009 4:37:19 AM PDT by RightAndWrong
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just one time... Just one time I forgot to take my socks off before my sandals on the beach.


36 posted on 05/31/2009 4:44:39 AM PDT by I Hate Obama (Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made- Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Roar!


37 posted on 05/31/2009 4:44:59 AM PDT by I Hate Obama (Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made- Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: RightAndWrong

>>As a single mom

Nuff said! Ann Coulter already covered this.


38 posted on 05/31/2009 5:06:29 AM PDT by Bryanw92
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And the whole “Nobody Loses EVER” is so bad. To me this total lack of courage is sickining. We have truly raised a bunch of gutless uneducated cowards.

That is why we have an Obozo.


39 posted on 05/31/2009 5:07:59 AM PDT by fuzzybutt
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To: stuartcr

Deutsch...


40 posted on 05/31/2009 5:21:09 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: FreedomPoster
his essay "Let Africa Sink" is truth to power of the first magnitude...
41 posted on 05/31/2009 5:23:47 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

men and boys have become wimpy, feminized and afraid of their own shadows,sounds like obama 100%.


42 posted on 05/31/2009 5:27:01 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Quiller

>>The cultural reference of Dad — the hardworking, family-focused, fix-the-toaster/car/bike, play catch with the
>>boys, paint the house man of the house has given way to the TV Dad —

It is deliberate.


43 posted on 05/31/2009 5:30:46 AM PDT by oblomov (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - Mencken)
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To: grey_whiskers
I wear socks with my sandals, do the cooking, help with the dishes, and have a lisp...But for some reason, nobody ever calls me effeminate.

I wouldn't either, but I have to ask, what is with the socks with sandals? I hope the socks are at least white!

44 posted on 05/31/2009 5:32:28 AM PDT by jla
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To: RightAndWrong

” Manly men liked us, and we where happy being pretty, wearing dresses and makeup, being good mommies and wives, and often managing work.”
What I resent by the above statement is its trivialization of what it means to be a woman. The women who helped their men plow through the wilderness of America to make the greatest nation in the world were not concerned with being some later relic of Victorian boredom, they were true helpmeets to their husbands. What the author is describing sounds more like some insipid portrayal taken from a ‘50s sitcom than from real life. Somehow, from her language in the article, she doesn’t seem to fit her ideal.


45 posted on 05/31/2009 5:51:40 AM PDT by sueuprising (Wicked Behavior)
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To: wita

I was thinking Gaelic or Korean.


46 posted on 05/31/2009 5:57:04 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Quiller
The cultural reference of Dad -- the hardworking, family-focused, fix-the-toaster/car/bike, play catch with the boys, paint the house man of the house has given way to the TV Dad

Ironically, this is pretty much the description of Hank Hill.

47 posted on 05/31/2009 6:02:56 AM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agree 100%. And it seems this forcing little boys to be girlish in their behavior is certainly concentrated in the liberal world because it is HARD to find a manly liberal. Period.


48 posted on 05/31/2009 6:12:51 AM PDT by Republic (Jedem das Seine)
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To: nonliberal

“We never once wore a helmet. If we fell, we got back up on the bike and kept going. Kids today are pansies.”

I never wore a helmet either, and neither did one of my classmates who fractured his skull in a bike accident. Never the same, sadly. I tend to be Darwinian in most matters, but things like oh.....brain injuries and even death are generally to be avoided.

This is a rather weird thread that is beginning to glorify high risk behavior. Understand that I’ve spent most of my life driving airliners around, so perhaps the reader will understand why I followed the checklists and used my safety belt/shoulder harness when I was supposed to. I hear there are folks that think it’s cool to forget about the safety belt and drive like knucklheads (seen ‘em, dodged ‘em, can’t tell if they’re straight though (don’t care actually)).

Every one of you is gonna’ die soon enough. It is perpelexing as to why some seem to want to rush things along. Don’t ever confuse risk taking behavior with male responsibility. They are not the same. One is a virtue, and the other is a psychiatric disorder. I’ll leave it to you to decide which is which.


49 posted on 05/31/2009 6:26:46 AM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some men are simply born more effeminate than others. I see no reason why such boys should be forced into manly activities when their God-given talents might be in other areas. On the other hand, it’s quite true that most boys don’t fit this category naturally, and we’re not allowing them to be boys.

I don’t have a problem with boys playing rough or even fighting as long as it’s mutual. Real men don’t bully or pick on the weak. We must be better than the common animal.


50 posted on 05/31/2009 6:36:25 AM PDT by NinoFan
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