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McCain Wants Predators to Provide Wi-Fi for Iranians
Gizmodo, AFP ^ | June 26, 2009 | Jesus Diaz

Posted on 06/27/2009 5:13:15 AM PDT by SolidWood

Reportedly, Senator John McCain wants Predators to provide with uncensored Wi-Fi coverage to the people of Iran. I don't know if this is even technically possible, but its so preposterous and fantastically cool that I love the idea:

"During the Cold War, we provided the Polish people and dissidents with printing presses. Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube are the modern-day printing presses. They are the way to spread information and keep the hope of freedom alive amongst the Iranian people."

Of course, the Predators—or whatever other method—could be taken down with missiles or fighter planes, but the basic idea is spot on: Give everyone free access to information at any cost.

Free dissemination of information is one of the keys to the independence and freedom of citizens everywhere. Actually, I wish there was some kind of global Wi-Fi system—one that will allow any citizen in the world to access information freely, without intervention of dictators and authoritarian figures in China, North Korea, Iran, or Cuba.

Maybe some crazy nerds with loads of money could work on something like that. You know, like Paul Allen putting a buttload of money, Steve Wozniak leading a new space-based Wi-Fi hardware standard, and John Carmack providing with cheap rockets to launch satellites. [AFP]

(Excerpt) Read more at gizmodo.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Politics; Science; UFO's; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: iran; mccain; predators; wifi

1 posted on 06/27/2009 5:13:15 AM PDT by SolidWood
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To: SolidWood
Good idea, John.

Let's indirectly provide our enemies with all the information on the flight and telemetry capabilities of the predators.

The man must have Alzheimers.

Quelle dorque!

Cheers!

2 posted on 06/27/2009 5:14:48 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SolidWood

I can name somebody else in the US government, alas, who doesn’t want the Iranians to get anywhere near the Internet.

He’s happy now that the regime has essentially locked down the country and you can’t hear those pesky Iranian citizens anymore.


3 posted on 06/27/2009 5:16:28 AM PDT by livius
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To: grey_whiskers
Well, remember, this is a guy who the MSM gleefully told us doesn't even e-mail. Nevermind that it's not his technical ability that hinders that ability, it's physical limitations.

That being said, John--not a great idea, even with a drone at 70K feet. Plus there's that silly "line of sight" issue and the fact that most mobile devices only have a power of 1-2 watts, meaning their effective range is only to basically the nearest couple of cell towers.
4 posted on 06/27/2009 5:17:31 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: grey_whiskers

Matter of factly McCain didn’t say we should use Predators. He said ‘They are the way to spread information’.

The interpretation about predators seems to be from the Gizmodo.com author. Note that this is filed under weird stuff lol.

I wonder though whether it would technically be feasible.


5 posted on 06/27/2009 5:17:55 AM PDT by SolidWood (Down with the islamic regime! Freedom for Iran!)
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To: SolidWood
What makes McCain think they are immune from what ever toys the Russians sell them, or did he accidentally just spill the beans on the Predators capabilities?

2nd, would not the wi-fi be a signal to home in on and blow out of the sky?

IMHO he might have been better off doing this quietly, the cat is out of the bag, not a way to sneak up and reek havoc on despots.

6 posted on 06/27/2009 5:18:28 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: SolidWood

I’m sure we are not too far away from the day when data service will be provided by satellites, ensuring global coverage for voice, data and video for every human that wants it.

Satellite phones are just the beginning.


7 posted on 06/27/2009 5:19:52 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Let's be fair. Our enemies watch our predators fly all day long, and have for years. I'm no John McCain booster by any means, but this is an interesting idea.

There's probably better ways to skin this particular cat, but the idea of finding a way to provide internet access to people when their government shuts it off could be a real game changer in the 21st century.

8 posted on 06/27/2009 5:21:14 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Oh, well. Back to the drawing board....)
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To: SolidWood
Just because we have so many real issues with McCain doesn't mean we should piss all over him ALL the time.

So he doesn't know the technical end--so what? 99% of us AND the Congress doesn't know how things work. Not their job.

He's floating the idea to get the GOP to be seen as on the side of the Iranian people, against the do-nothing, say-nothing Obama.

This is a good thing. It gets the ball rolling, and we should be talking about it as one way to show the party has some damned energy instead of us all just sitting around bitchin about Obama.

9 posted on 06/27/2009 5:22:18 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Atheist whose employer--an Obama supporter--is losing the business.)
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To: ShadowAce

possible ping


10 posted on 06/27/2009 5:25:43 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m not sure whether to tell McCain he’s nuts or pat him on the back on this one. But it’s an interesting idea nonetheless.


11 posted on 06/27/2009 5:27:07 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: SolidWood

So the headline (not yours, I’m sure) bears false witness.


12 posted on 06/27/2009 5:30:33 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Why excerpt your own blog? If its that damned important, then (Excerpted. Click here to read more))
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To: SolidWood

I don’t know the technical hurdles involved here, but the idea does intrigue me.


13 posted on 06/27/2009 5:34:40 AM PDT by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: SolidWood

Wow, what a convoluted mess. Fake headline in a blog misquoting an AFP story printed in yet another linked blog.

Can’t find the direct AFP link but here a direct link to the second blog with the whole story. Nothing about predators. Not a thing. Geez.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_Senators_vow_help_for_Iran_dissi_06252009.html

Normally I am opposed to excerpting a blog. This idiot should have been excised, not excerpted.


14 posted on 06/27/2009 5:35:50 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Why excerpt your own blog? If its that damned important, then (Excerpted. Click here to read more))
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To: SolidWood

I think he basically has the right idea that word needs to get out to all Iranians in order for them to be more organized, including people in more rural areas. The opposition needs to use audio and CD’s, DVD’s, whatever.


15 posted on 06/27/2009 5:35:59 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Steel Wolf

Keep the regime looking up for what it is they are looking for while in reality it is right under their noses. Excellent misdirection play.


16 posted on 06/27/2009 5:40:00 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: SolidWood

That is the best idea I have ever heard from McCain.


17 posted on 06/27/2009 5:41:30 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is an illegal alien)
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To: grey_whiskers

How would someone being able to use their wi-fi, access any of that information you mentioned. All they would know, is that there is an access point available. It would be completely separate from anything having to do with the aircraft. Of course they would know where it’s at, they would have a signal, but that wouldn’t matter.


18 posted on 06/27/2009 5:50:13 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
If the Wi-Fi signal is being broadcast from the Predator...one can figure out its location.

Once the location is known, you can put up a live trailer or monitor the transmissions to find speed, time of flight, duration, etc.

As well as following back to the launch points.

Cheers!

19 posted on 06/27/2009 5:54:23 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SolidWood
The concept is possible, although there are a few problems:

There are a few companies developing drones specifically designed to fly at high altitude and provide Internet access to sparsely populated areas, but I wasn't able to find a URL quickly and I'm not aware of anyone that has actually deployed it.

But, the concept has been around for quite a while -- it's not an original thought.

20 posted on 06/27/2009 5:54:25 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: SolidWood
I really don't think this is a practical idea. You would need special RF transmit and receive capability and an associated modem that would be subject to jamming by the Iranian authorities and, in any case, not available at your local Tehran Radio Shack.

OTOH, we should increase Voice of America type transmissions into Iran from Iraq or elsewhere and, if I were President, start smuggling in weapons to selected groups. Not going to happen with Barak (AKA Rodney King) Obama as President.

21 posted on 06/27/2009 5:58:24 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: justlurking

Its anything goes these days. Any crazy idea, ridiculous or even technically infeasible plan is worth spending billions of dollars on.


22 posted on 06/27/2009 5:58:59 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: grey_whiskers

You don’t believe that information isn’t already known. None of that flight info is considered classified. What’s classified, is the data that is transmitted back.


23 posted on 06/27/2009 6:02:16 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
Why make it even *easier*...?
24 posted on 06/27/2009 6:04:28 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SolidWood

Stupid idea....it would be so easy to jam a high school kid could do it.....


25 posted on 06/27/2009 6:13:17 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: grey_whiskers

To accomplish a mission.

Location isn’t a factor because if someone has a signal, then they know it’s near anyway. All that other data, is insignificant. If the aircraft is just used for this purpose, then even shooting it down wouldn’t matter, because all they would get, is some commercial wi-fi equip. If someone wante to jam it, then they do. All that would need to be done, would be to change the aircraft location, and the jammer would be out of range. It’s not like any critical intel would be lost, just peoples connections.


26 posted on 06/27/2009 6:15:21 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: grey_whiskers
The man must have Alzheimers.

No, he has always been stupid.

27 posted on 06/27/2009 6:16:19 AM PDT by calex59
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To: stuartcr
You seem to be missing my point -- I'm not concerned with individual, specific Predator giving the Wi-Fi. My concern is that by using the Predators for trivial missions like this, we give away important performance characteristics and details of operational usage and parameters, which would NOT be otherwise readily available.

Which could then be used to devise counters for those Predators carrying (say) Hellfire missiles, or those "loitering" in theatre for long periods of time.

Cheers!

28 posted on 06/27/2009 6:20:59 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I believe that information is already out there. I would imagine they would use the older, more expendable aircraft for a mission like this.


29 posted on 06/27/2009 6:49:59 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr

As bad and fraudlent of a president Barry is one can only imagine what kind of Hell on Earth we in America would have if McCain were to be President.

McStooge is without a doubt clueless about any topic that affects the Well Being of American citizens.

Get the HOOK and Get that Clown off the stage......NOW!


30 posted on 06/27/2009 7:19:17 AM PDT by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now.)
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To: SolidWood
Matter of factly McCain didn't say we should use Predators. He said ‘They are the way to spread information’.Satellites Could do that.

If were up to me though I would set up something similar to the OSS to support pro democracy/anti islamic movements wordwide

they invented things like a printing press that would fit in a suitcase,as well as explosives that looked like flour or dog crap and other nasty surprises

31 posted on 06/27/2009 7:28:08 AM PDT by Charlespg
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To: EnglishOnly

I don’t think he’s going away anytime soon.


32 posted on 06/27/2009 7:48:49 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: SolidWood
It could be done but the Iranian Government could jam those Wi-Fi signals quite easily.Otherwise I'd say Great Go and do it.Anything to P-off the Iranian Government.

We have been treating them with kids gloves for way too long.We still owe them some payback for the our troops they have killed in terror attacks they sponsored.

33 posted on 06/27/2009 7:56:27 AM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the Dogs.)
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To: SolidWood

He deserves some credit. It’s an interesting idea. There are a lot of different planes that could be used; we wouldn’t have to use the most advanced models.

I don’t know how you get the uplink, though. Satellite requires some setup. You could maybe run the WAPs on solar, but that gets expensive. Maybe the planes are merely a delivery system for satellite Internet systems, and we rely on the locals to set them up (Farsi instructions included, of course).


34 posted on 06/27/2009 8:02:20 AM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: bamahead

He’s nuts. The idea is impractical and stupid, to say the least.


35 posted on 06/27/2009 9:25:54 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: SolidWood
Best idea he's had since choosing Sarah Palin. I do, however, recognize the danger of hosting such a worthwhile facility on the Predator. I think balloons or similar low-tech platforms would pose less risk of important American technology falling into radical Muslim hands (I mean, in addition to the radical Muslim hands currently squatting in the White House).


36 posted on 06/27/2009 9:40:44 AM PDT by Costumed Vigilante (Stuff 0be back into the Madhi well in Qom from whence he oozed.)
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To: SolidWood

I don’t know if John McCain is serious but undoubtedly the CIA does things in the Mideast every day that would seem even more implausible.


37 posted on 06/27/2009 11:30:02 AM PDT by Ipberg
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
[this part is NOT McCain's words]
Of course, the Predators -- or whatever other method -- could be taken down with missiles or fighter planes, but the basic idea is spot on: Give everyone free access to information at any cost... Maybe some crazy nerds with loads of money could work on something like that. You know, like Paul Allen putting a buttload of money, Steve Wozniak leading a new space-based Wi-Fi hardware standard, and John Carmack providing with cheap rockets to launch satellites.
Better to use UAVs to knock out the mullahcracy and help the Iranian people free themselves.
38 posted on 06/27/2009 6:45:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SolidWood

Although Israel is far away from Iran, it has significant capacity to help the demonstrators. It could use its communication satellites to break through the communications blackout the regime has attempted to enforce. Its Internet capabilities can be offered to the protesters to reopen closed networks. Israel could temporarily expand its radio broadcasts into the country and allow its airwaves to be used to broadcast events on the ground in real time so that protesters won’t have to rely on word of mouth to know what is happening or where things are leading.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2276330/posts


39 posted on 06/27/2009 8:58:01 PM PDT by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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