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America already has universal healthcare and it has failed miserably
Mainestategop ^ | 9/01/09 | Mainestategop

Posted on 09/01/2009 6:07:40 AM PDT by mainestategop

That's right folks! The caterwauling liberals who have been whining for more of our hard earned taxpayer dollars to pay for state run health care are either too stupid to know or don't want you to know that we have in many parts of America, universal health care. Not only that, just like the ones in Canada, Britain and elsewhere, it is cumbersome, costly and a failure.

I decided to take a break from my series on Vladamir Lenin and the United States to write about this after receiving several nagging emails from those who read my articles here and on other websites. Not only that, people I know personally are curious as well. After all, Im from Maine, one of these communist sewer pits that has free health care.

As I said, America HAS Free Health care. Several states including Maine, Massachusetts, California and Iowa have free health care. In Addition, Many states have free health care for children such as Mississippi's CHIP program.

SO how does it stack up? Liberals will have us to believe that the BIG government wants whats in our best interests, that health care will work, it will be effective in cost, care and efficiency, that those big insurance companies won't work and that the public sector is the way to go. (I wish I had a dollar every time I heard that remark) Not only that, Foreign representatives from Canada and Europe have touted their own National Health care such as the NHS in Britain for example, made famous by Michael Moore.

But the sad truth is that national health care both here and abroad have failed miserably.

A good example of this can be found in Massachusetts and Maine which has Universal health care coverage, former not only has Universal Health care but mandatory health care for those who are NOT too poor to receive. In Massachusetts, the cost of health care is extraordinary in terms of taxes and wait times. The average wait time for a patient to see a doctor is 60 days as opposed to a week in private clinics. The cost of health care is 800 dollars per person. In Georgia, it is 300 dollars. Also the doctors are notorious for making mistakes and malpractice.

For those NOT so fortunate to be poor enough to receive free health care, they are required by law to have corrupt inefficient health insurance policies. Mass Citizens pay 15% more in insurance costs on average than the average American elsewhere. Many must pay up to a third of their income for insurance plans that usually fail.

The signing of mandatory insurance by the traitor Mitt Romney lead to catastrophe for Massachusetts. The state was the only state to suffer a population decline in 2006, small businesses, forced to pay for expensive insurance policies that didn't work were forced out of business causing thousands to lose their jobs and become homeless. Others saw their quality of life drop like a rock. Many couldn't afford it and left the state for greener pastures. Mostly in low tax low government states such as New Hampshire that didn't oppress its own people the way liberals do when they are in control.

The Mandate also lead to higher taxes which also proved disastrous and if that weren't bad enough, while employers, students and others left for greener pastures, welfare bums, criminals, illegal aliens, drug addicts, lazy vagrants and other excrement who did not want to work flooded the state causing even higher taxes and higher crime rates and a deterioration of the economy.

The economy in Massachusetts had been stagnant. Now under the Democrat recession started by Nancy Pelosi and Obama, Massachusetts suffers even more.

California and Maine also have health care. Medical in Cali, Maine care for Maine. Both states suffer massive budget deficits, high unemployment and economic collapse. Maine especially. Not only this, Governor Baldacci wants to force small business in Maine which makes up 60% to 80% of the economy to have mandatory health insurance. It would again plunge the state into chaos.

And what about these new health care subsidies? How are they working out you ask? Miserably.

The liberals have made up phony statistics and downplayed the effects of the NHS in Britain to tout their health care. In reality, Prescription and treatment costs have tripled. The same here in the states. While patients in republican states enjoy cheaper more efficient health care, patients in states and countries with public health care endure higher costs, higher wait times and a shortage of Doctors. Many die before seeing a doctor.

The doctors themselves suffer as well. They must cope with bureaucratic demands instead of deciding what is best for patients. There is massive paperwork and other problems.

The creator of MASH was killed by State Health care

Richard Hornberger AKA Richard Hooker was the creator of the series MASH. In addition to being there during the Korean war, he was a doctor in Waterville Maine and a local celebrity. In the early days before political correctness and other problems, Hornberger enjoyed a carefree life as a surgeon and GP. Many who knew him told wild stories of how he was just like the characters in MASH. Every Morning Hornberger would race the state troopers from his home in Rockland Maine to the hospital in Waterville. If he could make it to the operating room on time he wouldn't get a ticket. Its something that couldn't be done today.

Horberger was also a prankster and a comedian. A devout Roman Catholic, he had 3 children and adopted 7 children and was celebrity not only for his comic genius but for his medical skills as well. But the growing infringement of government coupled with the unchecked power of the insurance companies took a toll on him. In the 80s Hornberger became and alcoholic and drank heavily. Although he is said to have officially died of Leukemia in 1997, those close to him say that it was his drinking that lead to his death.

For patients the toll is obviously worse. We can see this from Canadians coming to America for better cheaper treatment to higher taxes and a battered economy. We also see it from patients dying while waiting for needed care and malpractice mistakes. Many times patients have their appointments moved or cancelled for no reason at all, other cases, there is no treatment or unnecessary treatment. One only needs to Google NHS horror stories malpractice ETC to see what we can expect.

What to do about health care

Health care needs reform make no mistake about that. But the last thing we need is government control. Government has always failed at everything it has done. Those of you who read my articles know this to be true. The last thing we need now is to worsen health care. Furthermore, the only people who will even benefit will be the lazy bums who get billions in handouts through welfare and illegal aliens.

The answer is simple: Clamp down on insurance companies that deny health care and clamp off of the private sector. Make sure that insurance companies provide the right coverage and do it right. In addition, foster competition to keep costs low.

TO be continued

In the future I will be telling more about what to expect from Universal health care. I will tell you of horror stories of our Britain's NHS including how a woman was mistaken for a dangerous mental patient and forcibly incarcerated and drugged, how a sick dying child was turned away from life saving treatment by cold doctors and euthanasia of weak sick newborns. In addition similar stories in the US like how a Massachusetts woman was prevented from leaving the state so doctors could keep taking her money and a man in LA who almost died waiting in the ER while doctors were treating illegal aliens.

Not only that you will learn the agenda behind Universal Health care that Hillary Clinton and Senator Edwards are setting up to use universal health care to establish an Orwellian dictatorship in America.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: aganda; communism; democrats; healthcare; hillarycare; illegals; liberalfascism; liberalfascists; obama; obamacare; socialism; socializedmedicine; taxes
There is just so much to write about this topic. I have only begun to scratch the surface. To hell what the liberals think of us, they hate us and our freedom anyway. We need to stand and oppose this at all costs.
1 posted on 09/01/2009 6:07:40 AM PDT by mainestategop
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To: mainestategop

Also worth examining is the Department of the Interior’s Indian Health Service. Now, THERE’S an example of the horror of socialized medicine rationing.


2 posted on 09/01/2009 6:20:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: mainestategop

indian health care in OK is fine....from what i hear.


3 posted on 09/01/2009 6:35:36 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: mainestategop
I assume you sent this to flag@whitehouse.gov, correct?
4 posted on 09/01/2009 6:40:02 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: mainestategop
the agenda behind Universal Health care that Hillary Clinton and Senator Edwards are setting up to use universal health care to establish an Orwellian dictatorship in America.

Exactly. They know people are angry over the high cost of health insurance, which is of course the result of the high costs of health care, and they are using it as a wedge to open the door wide for bringing far left Euro-style socialism into every sector of the US economy. The facts are that excellent state-of-the-art health care is expensive in the US and anywhere else, but government run socialized health care schemes in Europe and Canada are even more costly in terms of the unnecessary suffering and death rates of the people who are forced to use them.

I'm retired and old enough to be eligible for Medicare, and I use it along with a private health insurance supplement. I don't like Medicare because it's just a somewhat milder form of socialized medicine than ObamaCare, but I was not given a choice as to whether or not I wanted to participate during my gainfully employed life. If I had been allowed to invest the money that was held out of my pay, along with the matching money that my employers paid to the government for their part of the Medicare scheme, in well chosen equity stocks or even long-term CDs the money that would have accrued over the 45 years of my working life would probably pay for a private policy that would cover everything that medicare covers plus the cost of my private supplement policy that covers most of what Medicare doesn't.

Socialism by any other name is still nothing more than a cruel hoax designed to give enormous power to a few elite people to run every detail of the lives of the gullible masses who are deceived into accepting it. This is serious stuff folks. Once a nation is socialized it's much harder for the people to get out of it than it was to get into it, and bloodshed by the enslaved people is usually necessary to accomplish that end. If OH!bama and his accomplices get everything they want in the next 3, or God-forbid 7 years, I'm afraid that it will take an armed insurrection to get them and their oppressive communist-lite programs off the backs of the American people, and IMHO the outcome of an armed insurrection would depend on which faction the military would back.

5 posted on 09/01/2009 7:50:16 AM PDT by epow (Luke 11:21 "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:")
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To: epow
the money that would have accrued over the 45 years of my working life

I should have said the approximately 50 years of my working life since I began working after school and Saturdays in my Dad's shop when I was in Junior High. Fortunately Medicare wasn't yet an unwelcome reality in 1950 America, so I got to keep all of the $6 a week I earned by working 20 hours per week after school and all day Saturdays.

If my arithmetic is correct that works out to 30 cents per hour, and in today's America my Dad would be in deep trouble with the goobermint for violating the minimum wage law.

6 posted on 09/01/2009 8:48:21 AM PDT by epow (Luke 11:21 "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:")
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To: dalebert
indian health care in OK is fine....from what i hear.

Not so in Arizona. From what I understand the health services run out of funding by mid-summer so the Apaches, Navajos, et. al., on the reservations are out of luck if they get sick during the 3rd and 4th quarter.

7 posted on 09/01/2009 12:20:53 PM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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