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DoH Reverses Course Releases Index Data For President Obama, Stanley Ann and Barack, Sr
Natural Born Citizen ^ | October 2, 2009 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on 10/02/2009 11:46:39 AM PDT by crosstimbers

The Hawaii Department of Health has reversed course. They now admit that they do - in fact – make some vital records information available to the public. This admission reverses their prior response pattern indicating that “no information” could be released.

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1 posted on 10/02/2009 11:46:39 AM PDT by crosstimbers
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To: crosstimbers

All data for Hussein is “Hot off the presses” - as fast as the forgers can create them.


2 posted on 10/02/2009 11:51:30 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - When 0bama Fails, Freedom Prevails!)
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To: penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...

~~~What the ..?

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You will recall from Part 1 of my full report that previous official responses to UIPA requests were greeted with statements – issued by DoH Director Fukino and DoH Communications Director Okubo – which indicated that state law forbid “any information” about Hawaii vital records from being released. These rigid responses were issued despite the clear applicability of Haw. Rev. Stat. 338-18(d) which requires the mandatory release of some information from vital records on file with the DoH.

Just after I released that report, the Post and Email blog detailed that another researcher who requested “index data” had received the same improper denial of access to that index data. I blogged on that denial in my report entitled, “Hawaii DoH Official Janice Okubo Places her Thumb Directly In The Giants Eye.”

Behind the scenes, myself and two other members of my research team – KingsKid and Justin Riggs – have been issuing very specific UIPA requests. And last night KingsKid received a response to her UIPA request from DoH Communications Director Okubo which exhibits a complete reversal of policy.

KingsKid UIPA REQUEST ANSWERED BY OKUBO… AND MORE?
From: [KingsKid real name redacted]
To: janice.okubo@doh.hawaii.gov
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:03 AM
Subject: Request for information

Dear Ms. Okubo,

IAW Hawa’ii Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18(d), I am requesting all index data pertaining to the vital records of Mr. Barack H. Obama, Jr, Mr. Barack H. Obama, II, and/or Mr. Barry Soetoro or any other name used by that party.

This statute at para (d) provides officials no authority to withhold the requested information. Therefore, I as an American citizen, am invoking Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18(d) Disclosure of records, which reads as follows: (d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public [my emphasis].

Ms. Okubo, I worked for the federal government for 32 years as a contracting officer and can appreciate the position you are in. However, I will tell you this, when it came to doing my job, I never allowed politics to interfere. Call it personal integrity, upholding my principles, or whatever. I went by the acquisition regulations scrupulously, thus, no one could ever contest what I had done. Yes, I encountered opposition when I rebuffed “politics”, but I wouldn’t budge. Standing steadfast sometimes brought me short-term grief, but in the end, right triumphed. I see you in a similar situation. I don’t know you or your personal ethics or agenda. I do know that as a public official and servant to the people, you have a duty to carry out the laws that govern your department.

Ms. Okubo, you cannot escape the duty you have … in providing this information to anyone who requests it. According to the referenced statute, you are to provide me all index data pertaining to the vital records of Mr. Barack H. Obama, Jr (or any other name he has used as indicated above), AND such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public. My request right now is limited to all the index data on Mr. Obama. If you have other information that you care to make available in addition, please send that also.

As a public servant, you have the responsibility to uphold the law in all respects and not cherry-pick what is politically expedient for you or any other public servant. All your public responses that I have seen on the internet to date, absolutely avoid any reference at all to paragraph (d). You obviously don’t want to release Mr. Obama’s index file, but by your own law, you have to. The truth always comes out, Ms. Okubo. You can save yourself embarrassment, if something not more serious, by quickly complying with Hawa’ii Revised Statute, paragraph 338-18(d)…

Last night, Janice Okubo responded to KingsKid with the following email:

From: Okubo, Janice S.
To: [email redacted]
Cc: Onaka, Alvin T.
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Request for information

Aloha..,

Index data referred to in HRS 338-18 from vital records in the State of Hawaii is available for inspection at the Department of Health’s Office of Health Status Monitoring at 1250 Punchbowl Street in Honolulu . The Director in accordance with 338-18 (d) has not authorized any other data to be made available to the public.

In response to your request the following index data is being provided:

BIRTH INDEX
OFFICE OF HEALTH STATUS MONITORING

CHILD
OBAMA II, BARACK HUSSEIN
GENDER
M

MARRIAGE INDEX
SORTED BY BRIDE
OFFICE OF HEALTH STATUS MONITORING

GROOM
OBAMA, BARACK HUSSEIN

BRIDE
DUNHAN, STANLEY ANN

Janice Okubo
Communications Office
Hawaii State Department of Health…

(Okubo used the “blue ink” to transmit the index data. And Stanley Ann’s last name is misspelled as “DUNHAN”. It should be “Dunham”. KingsKid is awaiting clarification.)

[UPDATE: 2:35 PM 10.02.09 KingsKid was informed by Okubo that the index file has the correct spelling “DUNHAM” and the typo was her mistake, it’s spelled correctly in the file.]

This response certainly gives a plethora of new information. First and foremost, it tells us that a thumb is being removed from the giant’s eye. This is, as far as I know, the first time the DoH has responded to a request for information from President Obama’s vital records by releasing actual records as opposed to Fukino’s view of those records.

This is a significant change in policy caused by renewed public attention.

It also tells one where to view the actual index data with your own eyes, “…the Department of Health’s Office of Health Status Monitoring at 1250 Punchbowl Street in Honolulu.”

The index file also lists President Obama’s name as “Barack Hussein Obama II”.

BRIDE AND GROOM?

This information allows us to put the rumour to bed which claims that Stanley Ann and Barack, Sr. weren’t married. They were married in Hawaii. However…

KingsKid didn’t request index data for Stanley Ann or Barack, Sr.

I thought it was very odd that Okubo included the marriage index information in her response to KingsKid’s very specific request for President Obama’s index data. Specifically, I was confused as to why Okubo’s response would list “Bride” and “Groom” in Obama’s index file instead of “Mother” and “Father”.

Okubo’s response to KingsKid gives the impression that the names of Obama’s parents are included in that response – but it doesn’t have them listed as parents.

It has them listed only as bride and groom.

Knowing that the DoH has exhibited a penchant for misdirection, this raised a big red flag for me.

Rest here

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/doh-reverses-course-releases-index-data-for-president-obama-stanley-ann-and-barack-sr-no-records-for-maya-exist/


3 posted on 10/02/2009 11:59:20 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

OK , so we have confirmation of a record of marriage between Stanley and Barack Sr. ,, no matter what anyone wants to argue B. H. Obama II is definately of divided nationality and is NOT a NBC.


4 posted on 10/02/2009 12:03:21 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: crosstimbers
Although it will NEVER be covered in the MSM
American tax dollars fund terrorists overseas,
and gangsters, gangsters who eat people,
gangsters who attack voters, and those that cover it all up like AG Holder.

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A D.C. government official and a business executive were arrested yesterday on bribery
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A White House official confirmed last night that Kundra has taken a leave of absence.
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seized $70,000 in cash in his house and because in recorded conversations, he boasted that he could easily flee to his native Turkey.
Acar also told the informant that he could use
computers to create fake D.C. birth certificates, Hibarger said. “


5 posted on 10/02/2009 12:05:23 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Neidermeyer

Definately a bad week for Berry! AW!


6 posted on 10/02/2009 12:06:11 PM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: crosstimbers

Seems like a slight reversal by hawaii, but all it tells us is that hawaii has BO listed as Male so not sure how earth shattering it is.

There is some interesting information such as the lack of any birth records for his sister.

But instead of asking hawaii all these questions by email and then trying to interpret their answers, why doesn’t someone in hawaii go to the records department and photocopy what’s public? The response he got gives the address where the actual index files reside. Why sit there and speculate endlessly about what they “really” mean in their responses when you can go to the source (if you know someone in hawaii with a few hours to kill).


7 posted on 10/02/2009 12:09:27 PM PDT by drangundsturm
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To: crosstimbers; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; GOPJ; BP2; ...
Ping.
8 posted on 10/02/2009 12:10:35 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 254 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: STARWISE

Is the bride’s name mispelled ?

DUNHAN / D-U-N-H-A-N ?


9 posted on 10/02/2009 12:12:56 PM PDT by freepersup (!)
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To: STARWISE
Follow up note: Read the explanation for the misspelling at Leo's blog.
10 posted on 10/02/2009 12:16:00 PM PDT by freepersup (!)
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To: freepersup

Apparently, they corrected that. Check
the site.


11 posted on 10/02/2009 12:16:13 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: drangundsturm
Seems like a slight reversal by hawaii, but all it tells us is that hawaii has BO listed as Male so not sure how earth shattering it is.

Gender was one of the few things that would cause "great personal embarrassment" on a long form BC.

Approximately 1% of live births have some degree of hermaphroditism, no particular reason the Obama/Dunham gene lines should be exempt.

Frankly, I was holding out for gender misidentification/ambiguity as being the reason he was so touchy about his BC, if he was born on US soil (half the requirements for NBC status).

12 posted on 10/02/2009 12:18:23 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 254 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: STARWISE

Thanks. ;o)


13 posted on 10/02/2009 12:18:23 PM PDT by freepersup (!)
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To: crosstimbers
An interesting read, for sure.

I can easily visualize that many discussions are on-going about how to “legally” respond to these public inquiries.

Also, I suspect that many memos and directives have gone around that “all” responses to these inquiries “must” go through the “proper channels” (read one agency/person).

I suspect ever growing pressure is now on the Hawaii DOH employees that there had better not be any leaking of info by the “staff”.

14 posted on 10/02/2009 12:19:21 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: drangundsturm

There is some interesting information such as the lack of any birth records for his sister.
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That’s probably the most important piece here ,, Maya was definately born outside the USA and she does have a COLB from Hawaii and no record exists for her in this index ,, Does this indicate that BHO’s birth information was from a reported live birth in Hawaii ,, or was it recorded as part of the Marriage records listed , bride/groom/existing children?


15 posted on 10/02/2009 12:19:47 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: STARWISE
(Okubo used the “blue ink”

Uhhhh, what's "blue ink"?

16 posted on 10/02/2009 12:19:58 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 254 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: null and void

I’m taking it literally .. she colorized that text in blue.


17 posted on 10/02/2009 12:23:10 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: 70th Division

Monday 10/5/2009 is coming pretty fast.... I don’t know if Rahms tentacles reach all the way to California.


18 posted on 10/02/2009 12:23:38 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: STARWISE

Hmmm. I wonder why?

Non-repo blue maybe?


19 posted on 10/02/2009 12:25:07 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 254 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

And who’s to say the forgeries a/k/a/ “Vital Records” aren’t already in place. The Hawaii officials know the jig is up, and this may be coming to a head. Gonna be interesting to see what happens with Orly’s hearing on Monday.


20 posted on 10/02/2009 12:36:08 PM PDT by thecraw (God allows evil...God allowed Hussein...Lord willing he'll give us Sarah to clean up the mess.)
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To: pissant; LucyT

PING


21 posted on 10/02/2009 12:36:37 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: thecraw

History will record that 0bama pulled off the biggest scam in American history, maybe even World history.


22 posted on 10/02/2009 12:41:59 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - When 0bama Fails, Freedom Prevails!)
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To: crosstimbers

This is fantastic news!

Now, quite literally, all we need are the right questions to ask!

Namely, What Nationality is listed for Barack Hussein Obama Sr.? He is dead, and can have no privacy interest in the information.

Thats what I want to know. What is listed as his country of Origin and Nationality. Its going to be Kenya of course, and THAT means Obama MUST resign or be removed from office.


23 posted on 10/02/2009 12:46:01 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

My first thought when I read the index “Bride” “Groom” instead of “Mother” “Father” - it is possible that Zero was adopted by the two of them before being adopted by Soerto?


24 posted on 10/02/2009 12:46:56 PM PDT by GYPSY286 (Politicians must USE their heads or Americans will LOSE their heads.)
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To: STARWISE

There is plenty more index data Hawaii is sitting on.


25 posted on 10/02/2009 12:48:47 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: freepersup
DUNHAN / D-U-N-H-A-N ?

Possible another alias.

26 posted on 10/02/2009 12:51:45 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Neidermeyer

No because the marriage wouldnt be legal in the US. Sr could not convey Uk citizenship without a valid marriage.

The question I haven’t really seen answered is did Obama ever register himself as a UK citizen ( as go through their process required by some birth circumstances)..or was all of his talk about being a UK citizen from him thinking he was automatically a UK citizen.

Was there a UK passport?


27 posted on 10/02/2009 12:52:05 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Red Steel

Oh yes there is. This is just the first crack in the damn. They are likely hoping to keep it together, but the damn is broken now!


28 posted on 10/02/2009 12:53:12 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: crosstimbers
I thought it was very odd that Okubo included the marriage index information in her response to KingsKid’s very specific request for President Obama’s index data. Specifically, I was confused as to why Okubo’s response would list “Bride” and “Groom” in Obama’s index file instead of “Mother” and “Father”.

Not odd at all. The request was for:

“…I am requesting all index data pertaining to the vital records of Mr. Barack H. Obama, Jr, Mr. Barack H. Obama, II, and/or Mr. Barry Soetoro or any other name used by that party.”

One "name used by that party" is Barack Hussein Obama, the same name as his father.

So therefore disclosure was made of the name Barack Hussein Obama as appeared in the Department of Health's marriage index.

So, this confirms what the divorce papers stated, that Obama Sr and Stanley Ann were married in Hawaii.

29 posted on 10/02/2009 12:53:51 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: GYPSY286

wouldnt they have still put mother and father?

If Ann got married after Obamanazi was born and it was a VALID marriage..the law would have legitimated Obamanazi and he would have UK citizenship- but I can’t remember if he would have to actually register to get it.

Don’t forget the claim that Ann was pregnant when she left Cuba. Sr could have been roped into this deal after birth.


30 posted on 10/02/2009 12:56:43 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

I don’t know that the info confirms that. Isn’t it possible to get a marriage license in one state and get married somewhere else?

I saw a poster saying he had done just that.


31 posted on 10/02/2009 12:58:36 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: The Sons of Liberty
History will record that 0bama pulled off the biggest scam in American history, maybe even World history.

Yep this fraud Obozo brings a whole new meaning to the saying, "There's something ROTTEN in Denmark." And coincidentally he was just there. Epic fail! [Snarky guffaw]
32 posted on 10/02/2009 12:59:51 PM PDT by thecraw (God allows evil...God allowed Hussein...Lord willing he'll give us Sarah to clean up the huge mess.)
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To: Red Steel
DUNHAN / D-U-N-H-A-N ?

-snip-

Donofrio:

"[UPDATED: 2:34 PM 10.02.09 - Okubo has taken responsibility for the spelling errors. They are a non-issue.]"

33 posted on 10/02/2009 1:03:53 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: RummyChick

Your argument misses the point ,, I don’t care if he is English , Kenyan or Martian ,, he does not have 2 US Citizen parents.


34 posted on 10/02/2009 1:09:45 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer

My argument does not miss the point. You do NOT know what will be EXCLUDED from the definition of NBC. There is no definition.


35 posted on 10/02/2009 1:10:53 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Danae; Red Steel

And, this heading into a weekend. Should be interesting...


36 posted on 10/02/2009 1:15:09 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: RummyChick

To my mind, the appearance of the names as Bride and Groom in the DoH index confirms to reasonable satisfaction that his parents appeared to have married. This confirms the statement in the divorce papers that they were married. According to the divorce papers, they were married in Hawaii (Maui) in February 1961.

My post was to rebut those who have claimed that even though the divorce papers stated that Obama Sr and Stanley Ann had married, that they had never married. Now we know that Obama Sr and Stanley Ann are listed as Groom and Bride in the Hawaii marriage register. The reason people claimed to doubt the marriage was that no record could be found of the marriage in Hawaiian records. Now we know there is in fact a record in Hawaiian records. People can continue to claim that she lied in the divorce papers about getting married in Hawaii, but I have seen no evidence to support that argument or even a plausible motivation for lying.

The legal problem with the marriage is that Obama Sr already had a wife in Kenya, so although they might have been married as far as authorities in Hawaii knew, in fact the purported marriage was probably void under Hawaii law.


37 posted on 10/02/2009 1:15:38 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Neidermeyer
Maya was definately born outside the USA and she does have a COLB from Hawaii

I've seen this stated several times, but no one had provided a link or citation. As far as I know, this claim was made by originally by Techdude, who has been discredited.

It would be powerful evidence; if you have a link or citation, I'd like to see it.

38 posted on 10/02/2009 1:16:42 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Yes, I am one of those that was dubious about the Hawaiian Marriage. I found Obama’s reference to it quite strange.

So, there was a marriage. We don’t know when or where..but there was a marriage and it is listed in the Hawaii Index file.


39 posted on 10/02/2009 1:18:58 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: GYPSY286
it is possible that Zero was adopted by the two of them before being adopted by Soerto?

It is beginning to look like that that is a very real possibility. Are there any pictures of Stanley pregnant? or any proof that she actually whelped Hussein?

40 posted on 10/02/2009 1:24:16 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - When 0bama Fails, Freedom Prevails!)
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To: RummyChick

Both Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann are dead ,, they cannot ammend their legal records,, Hawaii saw their marriage as legal , therefore the marriage was LEGAL , it is recorded , LEGALLY in Hawaii ,, doesn’t matter if some prancing witch doctor declared Obama Sr. married to someone else prior to that or not (recorded as a sack of bird feathers and beads perhaps)... It also doesn’t matter if Obama Sr. actually fathered Obama II ... or if that Cuban Colonel did ,, Obama is the father of LEGAL record. It also doesn’t matter if Obama II ever considered himself a British subject ... England certainly considers him to be so.


41 posted on 10/02/2009 1:24:27 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer
OK , so we have confirmation of a record of marriage between Stanley and Barack Sr. ,, no matter what anyone wants to argue

It's possible that it's only a record of application for a marriage license. However the license would be returned by the person performing the ceremony, if one was performed.

But you can't get a copy anyway, you just have confirmation that some record of that type exists.

Come Monday though, Orly Taitz may be able to.

We shall see.

42 posted on 10/02/2009 1:29:58 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: null and void
Frankly, I was holding out for gender misidentification/ambiguity as being the reason he was so touchy about his BC, if he was born on US soil (half the requirements for NBC status).

Or in his case THE requirement for plain citizen status. (ignoring the possible invalid marriage problem).

43 posted on 10/02/2009 1:33:06 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Neidermeyer

You are wrong. Let me start off with the fact that it does not matter if both parties are dead. A marriage Void Ab Initio can be attacked collaterally. If you don’t know what that means..look it up.

A child of a void marriage was not considered automatically a UK citizen .. I don’t know where you get that idea.

There is a possibility that he might have convinced them to give him UK citizenship through the registration process..but there was no automatic UK citzenship conferred on this guy. He would have had to show proof of paternity. Etc.

If you don’t understand the definition of child..LOOK IT UP IN THE 1948 act.


44 posted on 10/02/2009 1:35:50 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: sometime lurker
Maya was definately born outside the USA and she does have a COLB from Hawaii

It would be powerful evidence; if you have a link or citation, I'd like to see it. *************************************************

I am taking the Obama familys word for it that she has the COLB I haven't seen it; there is however absolutely no doubt that she was born in Indonesia ,, plenty of doc for that ... it is also well known that absolutely anyone back then could get a Hawaiin COLB with nothing but a phone call. and now we know that having that COLB does not get you listed in whatever index of records this dribble of information came from ...

45 posted on 10/02/2009 1:36:15 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer

Oh, and let me remind you...that Hawaii DID NOT SEE THEIR MARRIAGE AS LEGAL. You cannot get married in Hawaii with a marriage license from the State of Hawaii if you are already married. Not now. Not then.

Sr could not legally enter into a valid contract.

Just because you LIE on a marriage application does not mean your marriage is legal.


46 posted on 10/02/2009 1:38:10 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: The Sons of Liberty

The chin is the closest thing you get to believing he is an actual Dunham.


47 posted on 10/02/2009 1:39:52 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
A marriage Void Ab Initio can be attacked collaterally. If you don’t know what that means..look it up. A child of a void marriage was not considered automatically a UK citizen *******************************************************

Are you stating that a "Void Ab Initio" petition has been filed somewhere? It has occurred? or is this pointless speculation of what this idiot might have done as a tactic if he had any brain cells left from all his cocaine use in NYC? I'll stick to what we know and what we can reliably infer from the released information.

I for one am waiting for discovery... I am most interested in the "lost time" in his life for which no record exists ... I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was spent behind the Iron Curtain.

48 posted on 10/02/2009 1:42:48 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: RummyChick
No because the marriage wouldnt be legal in the US. Sr could not convey Uk citizenship without a valid marriage.

You are assumning the marriage to Kenza(??) was legal and valid, under US/Hawaii law. If not, then the marriage to S. Ann would have been.

49 posted on 10/02/2009 1:42:52 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: RummyChick
Just because you LIE on a marriage application does not mean your marriage is legal.

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BULL , If it's recorded , and thought to be legal ,, IT IS LEGAL ,, until it is proven otherwise ... Do you have a marriage record for Obama Sr. from Kenya? Do you see on the Divorce records that Stanley referred to this at all as a reason for the divorce?

50 posted on 10/02/2009 1:46:10 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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