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New plan might allow Dems to slip public option through Senate
washngton examiner ^ | 10/7/2009 | Susan Ferrechio

Posted on 10/07/2009 5:12:59 PM PDT by Mozilla

Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is weighing a plan to bring the final health care bill to the floor without a public option -- making it much easier to get the 60 votes needed to prevent a Republican filibuster -- and then adding the provision later as an amendment.

The public option amendment would be there waiting, but the 60-vote test would technically be on a bill without the government plan. Then moderate Democrats could drop out for the vote on the public option, which requires just 51 votes for passage.

Reid has not revealed whether he will use this tactic, but he's considering it.

"We haven't made any decisions yet," his spokesman, Jim Manley, said. "We have different options -- that is one."

Open-government proponents slammed the tactic, saying it would be a bait-and-switch gambit for the Senate to put forward a bill without a public insurance option, only to slip it in later.

"You don't lock out the American people from the process, and this is essentially locking out the American people," said Brian Darling, director of Senate relations for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

Senate Democrats may have little choice but to use this tactic if they are to pass a bill with a public option, as Reid has pledged.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 111th; baucus; bhohealthcare; healthcare; liberals; nuclearoption; reid

1 posted on 10/07/2009 5:13:00 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla
Their little scam here is Illegal.
2 posted on 10/07/2009 5:14:08 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Mozilla

“Do not attempt to adjust your set. We are now in control.”


3 posted on 10/07/2009 5:14:29 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Mozilla
"You don't lock out the American people from the process, and this is essentially locking out the American people," said Brian Darling, director of Senate relations for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

Harry Reid yawns and says so what we won!

4 posted on 10/07/2009 5:16:08 PM PDT by rocksblues (Sarah and Joe, Real Americans!)
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To: Cheetahcat

How so?


5 posted on 10/07/2009 5:17:38 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Cheetahcat
Their little scam here is Illegal.

Don't argue, they are elites and we are dependent peon's.

Without them we are nothing.

6 posted on 10/07/2009 5:17:50 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Cheetahcat

What IS legal when it involves leftists?


7 posted on 10/07/2009 5:19:52 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: Buck W.
How so?

Sure it's unconstitutional.

8 posted on 10/07/2009 5:21:17 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Mozilla

Freedom dies, not with a bang, but with an amendment.


9 posted on 10/07/2009 5:21:23 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Cheetahcat

And that will stop them how?


10 posted on 10/07/2009 5:21:43 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: EGPWS

“Don’t argue, they are elites and we are dependent peon’s.

Without them we are nothing.”

I guess none of those Idiots were looking out the window last month.


11 posted on 10/07/2009 5:23:13 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Mozilla

OBAMA is attempting to force a Haitian health plan on us.


12 posted on 10/07/2009 5:23:37 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: GeronL
“And that will stop them how?”

How are they going to enforce it? and if the house goes GOP in 2010 it will be refunded.

13 posted on 10/07/2009 5:25:12 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Cheetahcat

Defunded


14 posted on 10/07/2009 5:25:36 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Mozilla
"We haven't made any decisions yet," his spokesman, Jim Manley, said. "We have different options -- that is one."

Now really what could this mean?

My view: They are counting the votes. They're probably one or two short of getting to 60 even with Snowe-flake. So they will have to figure out what they can do to bribe the holdouts. There are at least four possibilities that I can think of: Money. Ambassadorships. Money. Money. There are probably others that I haven't thought of.

15 posted on 10/07/2009 5:28:18 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Mozilla

I’m not convinced he can get the 51 votes.

I *am* convinced he could lose his seat.


16 posted on 10/07/2009 5:30:32 PM PDT by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: Cheetahcat

You must have a lot more faith in the GOP than I do. I can pray though.


17 posted on 10/07/2009 5:34:37 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: screaminsunshine

I am saving all my good dirt for cookies!


18 posted on 10/07/2009 5:36:43 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I say air drop Olbermann, Matthews and Obama in to the middle of Cap Haitian.


19 posted on 10/07/2009 5:41:12 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Mozilla
More of this. You would think these people would learn the full reasons for Reid’s plan. It isn’t to work around Republicans. It is much worse.

This is a plan to work around the Constitution.

The Republican’s won’t be fooled, and there is almost never a cloture vote before amendments are closed. I’m not even sure that can be done within the Senate rules. This isn’t about 60 votes. It is about Article 1 Section 7 of the Constitution.

I’ve written about this so many times, rather than posting it all again, I'll refer anyone who wants more details to my previous post that lays out all the details of why this is the only way they can do this breaking only the spirit of Article 1, Section 7, but “following” the letter of that section.


From the desk of
cc2k:

20 posted on 10/07/2009 6:00:16 PM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: Mozilla

Scumbags...all of ‘em. This is criminal. It’s time to clean house in DC. Get rid of all of these ego maniacs and their regal trappings, too. We need to push the federal government back within the confines of the Constitution.

Put a stop to the entitlement class politics of victimization. Get rid of ALL incumbents and implement strict term limits; one term for Senators, three terms for Reps, and two for POTUS. Also, return election of Senators to the respective State legislatures as was intended in the Constitution.

It’s time to take back the country.


21 posted on 10/07/2009 6:13:17 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: GeronL

“You must have a lot more faith in the GOP than I do. I can pray though.”

Well if the Phone calls do not work then show up on their door step and ask why the job is not being done.


22 posted on 10/07/2009 6:35:44 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Mozilla

I hope that all the Republicans up there understand that to enact ANYTHING that has a health care label on it is enacting the entire Social Democrat program. They must fight to bar passage to any bill whatsoever.


23 posted on 10/07/2009 7:02:10 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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