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Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty, Claims British Lord
Wordpress Fighting Words Blog ^ | 15 OCT 2009 | Walter @ Fightin' Words

Posted on 10/15/2009 6:04:37 PM PDT by Yadanuiat

The Minnesota Free Market Institute hosted an event at Bethel University in St. Paul on Wednesday evening. Keynote speaker Lord Christopher Monckton, former science adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, gave a scathing and lengthy presentation, complete with detailed charts, graphs, facts, and figures which culminated in the utter decimation of both the pop culture concept of global warming and the credible threat of any significant anthropomorphic climate change.

A detailed summary of Monckton’s presentation will be available here once compiled. However, a segment of his remarks justify immediate publication. If credible, the concern Monckton speaks to may well prove the single most important issue facing the American nation, bigger than health care, bigger than cap and trade, and worth every citizen’s focused attention.

Here were Monckton’s closing remarks, as dictated from my audio recording:

At [the 2009 United Nations Climate Change Conference in] Copenhagen, this December, weeks away, a treaty will be signed. Your president will sign it. Most of the third world countries will sign it, because they think they’re going to get money out of it. Most of the left-wing regime from the European Union will rubber stamp it. Virtually nobody won’t sign it.

I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” – because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.

How many of you think that the word “election” or “democracy” or “vote” or “ballot” occurs anywhere in the 200 pages of that treaty? Quite right, it doesn’t appear once. So, at last, the communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the environmental movement, who took over Greenpeace so that my friends who funded it left within a year, because [the communists] captured it – Now the apotheosis as at hand. They are about to impose a communist world government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies with that point of view. He’s going to sign it. He’ll sign anything. He’s a Nobel Peace Prize [winner]; of course he’ll sign it.

[laughter]

And the trouble is this; if that treaty is signed, if your Constitution says that it takes precedence over your Constitution (sic), and you can’t resign from that treaty unless you get agreement from all the other state parties – And because you’ll be the biggest paying country, they’re not going to let you out of it.

So, thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom to the world. It is a privilege merely to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free. But, in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your humanity away forever. And neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power whatsoever to take it back. That is how serious it is. I’ve read the treaty. I’ve seen this stuff about [world] government and climate debt and enforcement. They are going to do this to you whether you like it or not.

But I think it is here, here in your great nation, which I so love and I so admire – it is here that perhaps, at this eleventh hour, at the fifty-ninth minute and fifty-ninth second, you will rise up and you will stop your president from signing that dreadful treaty, that purposeless treaty. For there is no problem with climate and, even if there were, an economic treaty does nothing to [help] it.

So I end by saying to you the words that Winston Churchill addressed to your president in the darkest hour before the dawn of freedom in the Second World War. He quoted from your great poet Longfellow:

Sail on, O Ship of State! Sail on, O Union, strong and great! Humanity with all its fears, With all the hopes of future years, Is hanging breathless on thy fate!

Lord Monckton received a standing ovation and took a series of questions from members of the audience. Among those questions were these relevent to the forthcoming Copenhagen treaty:

Question: The current administration and the Democratic majority in Congress has shown little regard for the will of the people. They’re trying to pass a serious government agenda, and serious taxation and burdens on future generations. And there seems to be little to stop them. How do you propose we stop Obama from doing this, because I see no way to stop him from signing anything in Copenhagen. I believe that’s his agenda and he’ll do it.

I don’t minimize the difficulty. But on this subject – I don’t really do politics, because it’s not right. In the end, your politics is for you. The correct procedure is for you to get onto your representatives, both in the US Senate where the bill has yet to go through (you can try and stop that) and in [the House], and get them to demand their right of audience (which they all have) with the president and tell him about this treaty. There are many very powerful people in this room, wealthy people, influential people. Get onto the media, tell them about this treaty. If they go to www.wattsupwiththat.com, they will find (if they look carefully enough) a copy of that treaty, because I arranged for it to be posted there not so long ago. Let them read it, and let the press tell the people that their democracy is about to be taken away for no good purpose, at least [with] no scientific basis [in reference to climate change]. Tell the press to say this. Tell the press to say that, even if there is a problem [with climate change], you don’t want your democracy taken away. It really is as simple as that.

Question: Is it really irrevocable if that treaty is signed? Suppose it’s signed by someone who does not have the authority, as I – I have some, a high degree of skepticism that we do have a valid president there because I -

I know at least one judge who shares your opinion, sir, yes.

I don’t believe it until I see it. … Would [Obama's potential illegitimacy as president] give us a reasonable cause to nullify whatever treaty that he does sign as president?

I would be very careful not to rely on things like that. Although there is a certain amount of doubt whether or not he was born in Hawaii, my fear is it would be very difficult to prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii and therefore we might not be able to get anywhere with that. Besides, once he’s signed that treaty, whether or not he signed it validly, once he’s signed it and ratified it – your Senate ratifies it – you’re bound by it. But I will say one thing; they know, in the White House, that they won’t be able to get the 67 votes in the Senate, the two-thirds majority that your Constitution has stipulated must be achieved in order to ratify a treaty of this kind. However, what they’ve worked out is this – and they actually let it slip during the election campaign, which is how I know about it. They plan to enact that Copenhagen treaty into legislation by a simple majority of both houses. That they can do. But the virtue of that – and here you have a point – is that is, thank God, reversible. So I want you to pray tonight, and pray hard for your Senate that they utterly refuse to ratify the [new] Treaty of Copenhagen, because if they refuse to ratify it and [Obama] has to push it through as domestic legislation, you can repeal it.

Regardless of whether global warming is taking place or caused to any degree by human activity, we do not want a global government empowered to tax Americans without elected representation or anything analogous to constitutional protections. The Founding Fathers would roll over in their graves if they knew their progeny allowed a foreign power such authority, effectively undoing their every effort in an act of Anti-American Revolution. If that is our imminent course, we need to put all else on hold and focus on stopping it. If American sovereignty is ceded, all other debate is irrelevant.

Edited to add @ 8:31 am:

Skimming through the treaty, I came across verification of Monckton’s assessment of the new entity’s purpose: 38. The scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism, and the basic organization of which will include the following:

World Government (heading added) (a) The government will be ruled by the COP with the support of a new subsidiary body on adaptation, and of an Executive Board responsible for the management of the new funds and the related facilitative processes and bodies. The current Convention secretariat will operate as such, as appropriate.

To Redistribute Wealth (heading added) b) The Convention’s financial mechanism will include a multilateral climate change fund including five windows: (a) an Adaptation window, (b) a Compensation window, to address loss and damage from climate change impacts [read: the "climate debt" Monckton refers to], including insurance, rehabilitation and compensatory components, © a Technology window; (d) a Mitigation window; and (e) a REDD window, to support a multi-phases process for positive forest incentives relating to REDD actions.

With Enforcement Authority (heading added) © The Convention’s facilitative mechanism will include: (a) work programmes for adaptation and mitigation; (b) a long-term REDD process; © a short-term technology action plan; (d) an expert group on adaptation established by the subsidiary body on adaptation, and expert groups on mitigation, technologies and on monitoring, reporting and verification; and (e) an international registry for the monitoring, reporting and verification of compliance of emission reduction commitments, and the transfer of technical and financial resources from developed countries to developing countries. The secretariat will provide technical and administrative support, including a new centre for information exchange [read; enforcement].


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhonwo; climatechange; copenhagen; lordmonckton; monckton; sovereignty; treaty; untitednations
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If this is true, it must be stopped!!
1 posted on 10/15/2009 6:04:40 PM PDT by Yadanuiat
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To: All

If you get a chance, please stop by the FReepathon thread and give it a bump. If you haven’t donated something yet, please give it some thought...

Thanks!


2 posted on 10/15/2009 6:06:38 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR.....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: Yadanuiat

Already done via the IMF.


3 posted on 10/15/2009 6:08:35 PM PDT by cranked
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To: Yadanuiat

people better pay attention


4 posted on 10/15/2009 6:09:07 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Yadanuiat

Another Senate fight?


5 posted on 10/15/2009 6:11:22 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: Yadanuiat; <1/1,000,000th%; 11B3; 2111USMC; 2Jedismom; A Ruckus of Dogs; AdA$tra; ...
Lord Monkton:
”And the trouble is this; if that treaty is signed, if your Constitution says that it takes
precedence over your Constitution, and you can’t resign from that treaty unless
you get agreement from all the other state parties – And because you’ll be the biggest
paying country, they’re not going to let you out of it.

So, thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom to the world. It is a privilege
merely to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free. But, in the next few weeks,
unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy, and your
humanity away forever. And neither you nor any subsequent government you may elect
will have any power whatsoever to take it back. That is how serious it is. I’ve read the
treaty. I’ve seen this stuff about [world] government and climate debt and enforcement.
They are going to do this to you whether you like it or not. “

6 posted on 10/15/2009 6:13:38 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Yadanuiat

God give speed to Leo Donofrio’s wings.

We need Quo Warrento NOW.


7 posted on 10/15/2009 6:14:10 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Diogenesis

“Treaties are made to be broken” (Bismarck). If the US returns to sanity, a way will be found to ignore or undo this foolishness.


8 posted on 10/15/2009 6:21:05 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Yadanuiat

Learn the constitution first. Treaties must be ratified by the Senate. There is no way that many Senators will willfully become obvious domestic enemies to millions of armed veterans.


9 posted on 10/15/2009 6:21:12 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Treaties need to be approved by two-thirds of the senate.

That treaty is going nowhere.


10 posted on 10/15/2009 6:24:17 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: Yadanuiat

OF course it is true. But real treaties must be passed by the Senate, I believe.

Still, there are enough idiots (leftists) in the US Senate it could be passed.

Gotta get in line with this one:
Stop Healthcare
Stop Tax and Trade
Stop this Globaloney “treaty”

We’ll see but I imagine it will be taken up by the alternative media...hopefully so.

And many reliable conservatives such as Mike Pence, and Senator Inhoffe will bring attention to it.

But, if they want, the Damnocrats have the votes to pass anything.


11 posted on 10/15/2009 6:25:10 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: concentric circles

Another Senate fight?


Sure hope so. It’d be easy to dismiss this talk about treaties as the Senate must ratify them but the way things are going with this administration I’m sure they’re working on a way to undermine the ratification process. Our constitution doesn’t seem to mean anything to this bunch of cockroaches. I’m sure this will slip through somehow without anyone knowing about it and our elected officials will probably ratify without even reading and have a million reasons why it is necessary to do so. Slimeballs, almost every one of them, GOP or Dem. It matters not.


12 posted on 10/15/2009 6:25:40 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (The bigger the government = The smaller the people)
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To: dalebert
people better pay attention


Vote These Jerks Out of Office


Arrogant and Biased CongressCreeps!

13 posted on 10/15/2009 6:26:18 PM PDT by B-Cause (Replace the entire U.S. Congress - votes these jerks out of office in 2010!)
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To: Yadanuiat; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Beckwith; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; ...
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Would [Obama's potential illegitimacy as president] give us a reasonable cause to nullify whatever treaty that he does sign as president?

I would be very careful not to rely on things like that. Although there is a certain amount of doubt whether or not he was born in Hawaii, my fear is it would be very difficult to prove he wasn’t born in Hawaii and therefore we might not be able to get anywhere with that.

Besides, once he’s signed that treaty, whether or not he signed it validly, once he’s signed it and ratified it – your Senate ratifies it – you’re bound by it.

14 posted on 10/15/2009 6:28:11 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

>Learn the constitution first. Treaties must be ratified by the Senate. There is no way that many Senators will willfully become obvious domestic enemies to millions of armed veterans.

I wish the WOULD, as I’m of the opinion that there are domestic enemies that need shot. Furthermore, I hold in contempt the 11th Congress’s willful disregard of the Constitution (No Bill of Attainder or Ex Post Facto law; retroactive tax LAW targeting CEOs, for one), the fourth amendment, the fifth, the sixth, the ninth, the fourteenth (Charlie Rangle and Tim Geithner are treated just like everyone else when it comes to tax evasion/fraud, right?), and I think the 7th and 8th, but I’d have to re-read them to make sure I’m not mixing them up.


15 posted on 10/15/2009 6:30:59 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“There’s a storm brewing.”


16 posted on 10/15/2009 6:31:34 PM PDT by Murp
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

“But, if they want, the Damnocrats have the votes to pass anything.”

Yes, and it all depends on what they believe is written in the treaty....because we all know they DON’T READ before passing these things. I doubt they’d even question anything that could put a negative light on Obama.

If they see it as being “for the greater good”, they’ll pass it.


17 posted on 10/15/2009 6:37:50 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin - Supports a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens. "path to citizenship" IS AMNESTY)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
There is no way that many Senators will willfully become obvious domestic enemies to millions of armed veterans.

If they cared, the Bonus Army would have gone back, reinforced and armed, after no more than a week. NFA would have been immediately repealed. The government wouldn't have tried GCA after hypothetically seeing those consequences.

In short, we'll all bend over and take it like everybody else has for far too long.

18 posted on 10/15/2009 6:38:35 PM PDT by wastedyears (If I don't have a right to play defense, then I'll go on offense. - FReeper Enterprise)
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To: Diogenesis

“”This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty.” - Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17.

The Reid Court (U.S. Supreme Court) held in their Opinion that,

“... No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution. Article VI, the Supremacy clause of the Constitution declares, “This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all the Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land...’
“There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification which even suggest such a result...

“It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights – let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition – to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power UNDER an international agreement, without observing constitutional prohibitions. (See: Elliot’s Debates 1836 ed. – pgs 500-519).

“In effect, such construction would permit amendment of that document in a manner not sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were designed to apply to all branches of the National Government and they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and Senate combined.”

Source: http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/staterights/treaties.htm


19 posted on 10/15/2009 6:39:19 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Danae

AMEN!


20 posted on 10/15/2009 6:41:36 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: LucyT

Bump Dat...


21 posted on 10/15/2009 6:41:45 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Boogieman
This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty.” - Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17.

Not this treasonous SCOTUS.
It cannot recognize: ethics, codes of ethics, Constitution, sworn Oaths, or Honor.


22 posted on 10/15/2009 6:47:38 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: PhiKapMom

“Treaties need to be approved by two-thirds of the senate.”

True.

They are trying an end-around with cap and trade without Kyoto, and agreeing by legislation to international schemes.


23 posted on 10/15/2009 6:49:49 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Yadanuiat

Anyone else find it disturbing that people from the British and Canadian and Australian governments and media seem to understand and care more about the future of our country than our own government officials and media???

Daily these people, our friends in the world community, are warning us, shouting from the rooftops, WAKE UP AMERICA! and most Americans are too busy watching America’s Got Talent.....(shaking head)


24 posted on 10/15/2009 6:50:05 PM PDT by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: Diogenesis

True, but that doesn’t mean this guy’s statement about our Constitution allowing a treaty to supercede itself is correct.


25 posted on 10/15/2009 6:53:51 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Yadanuiat
I read that treaty. And what it says is this, that a world government is going to be created. The word “government” actually appears as the first of three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of wealth from the countries of the West to third world countries, in satisfication of what is called, coyly, “climate debt” – because we’ve been burning CO2 and they haven’t. We’ve been screwing up the climate and they haven’t. And the third purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.

They are about to impose a communist world government on the world.

We see this, Beck is exposing it, Obama is only one man, where are the checks and balance?

26 posted on 10/15/2009 6:59:42 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Boogieman

Constitution?

Was not aware that was operative today, FRiend.


27 posted on 10/15/2009 7:05:49 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Yadanuiat; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

28 posted on 10/15/2009 7:07:14 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (Limit all U.S. politicians to two terms: One in office and one in prison!)
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To: Yadanuiat

The 2nd amendment defines who ultimately holds sovereignty in this country


29 posted on 10/15/2009 7:12:26 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Buck Ofama!!)
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To: Yadanuiat

How?


30 posted on 10/15/2009 7:33:06 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

As far as I know the Constitution is the Supreme Law of Land and even treaties cannot trump it’s provisions.

The preamble even state the Constitution is made for the people.


31 posted on 10/15/2009 7:35:42 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Shermy

We need a group to file a lawsuit and get whatever they do ruled Unconstitutional. Cap and Trade will waste so much and bankrupt business. Would love to shove it in Graham’s face.


32 posted on 10/15/2009 8:13:27 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: Boogieman

You’re right. Treaties don’t supersede the Constitution, but once they are ratified, they do become the law of the land.

Wiki has a decent article about the Constitution and Treaties and how they are amended, superseded or repealed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Clause


33 posted on 10/15/2009 8:14:11 PM PDT by Yadanuiat
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To: Yadanuiat

No surprise.


34 posted on 10/15/2009 8:59:02 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Yadanuiat
Doesn't the Senate have to confirm any treaty signed by the President?
Oh, never mind. ;o(
35 posted on 10/15/2009 9:15:08 PM PDT by SuziQ
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Bump


36 posted on 10/15/2009 9:37:11 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (Exceptional Progress is never generated by committee.)
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Bump


37 posted on 10/15/2009 10:42:43 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (Exceptional Progress is never generated by committee.)
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To: Yadanuiat

Jst curious, but will the russians or the chinese be sigining away their sovereignity in this treaty?


38 posted on 10/15/2009 10:57:32 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Yadanuiat
if your Constitution says that it takes precedence over your Constitution

Fortunately, it doesn't. Treaties must be made "Under the Authority of the United States". The United States (government) only has that authority granted to it by the Constitution.

Besides which that is missreading of the Treaty suppremacy clause:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

A treaty is supreme over the (Constitution or Laws) of any state. Not over (the Constitution) or (Laws of any state). It's *state* Constitutions that are potentially subservient to treaties made under the authority of the United States. Not the Federal/US Constitution.

Now that said, it would not supprise me if Obummer didn't try to pull this off. The Senate must ratify treaties before they bind the US and the states, a provision left over from the time when the Senators represented their states, not merely the people who live there. It should probably be amended to require a vote of the state legislatures to ratify a treaty, since they are bound by it once it's ratified.

39 posted on 10/15/2009 11:09:07 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: PhiKapMom

My reply to a similar sentiment expressed elsewhere:

I agree with you on principle. However, there is a flaw in passively relying on the “limitations” built into the executive office. Those limitations really only exist if enforced. Like any law, if there is no one policing to detect and deter violations, it has no meaning. A cursory examination of American history reveals numerous examples of the built-in limitations of government being violently abused or ignored. At the end of the day we are the limitation on the executive. We are the Law. We have to keep this from happening.


40 posted on 10/16/2009 12:53:08 AM PDT by Walter Scott Hudson (fightinwords.us)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2362929/posts


41 posted on 10/16/2009 2:07:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Danae; Diogenesis

Orly has suggested Quo Warrento and it appears the judge is waffling.

“Judge Carter questioned the Defense’s counsel, regarding the method of impeachment and how that would address this controversy.

“Attorney Gary Kreep argued that the case does not involve impeachment; since Obama has entered office unlawfully.

“Judge Carter questioned on what basis his court could issue a quo warrento proceeding, when the D.C. court had jurisdiction over this kind of proceeding. Dr. Orly Taitz responded by citing precedents in the 9th Circuit, that allowed quo warrento proceedings to be held in California, rather than in Washington, D.C., in account of the great distance to the other side of the continent.”

http://giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-details.html


42 posted on 10/16/2009 9:36:10 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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To: Yadanuiat

Here is a letter to my Senator, Dick Durbin


Hello Dick,

I’m writing you today in order to ask you to stop the spending. Our economy is starving, people are staying home and our dollar is entering the toilet while Gold reaches new highs.

This December, there is a Climate Change trap that we are probably going to attend and the world is counting on us to be suckers enough to sign the Treaty, which will end up surrendering our sovereignty. I can understand that people are not happy with America but if they don’t like it, tell them to leave. I do not want our country to become another European state or to take orders from any other government. Does surrendering our wealth to third world countries sound like a good business decision? This is America. This is not some third world country who doesn’t know any better. Start slapping some sense into those commie bastards who support an idiotic idea like this UN. Climate Change Conference Treaty in Copenhagen. What is wrong with us? It’s starting to feel like the swine flue is a Government disease. The Green movement is nothing but control. If you read that treaty, the healthcare bill and the cap and trade bill, and then read our constitution, you will find that they are not compatible. Our Founding Fathers fought to get away from repressive laws and taxes like these.

Every day, I read something in the news that drives me insane. What is going on with our leadership? The leadership is giving citizens no other choice but to join groups that are against our current administration and the 111th Congress. Coincidentally, they are called Nazis or terrorists now but nazis were created by their government. Our President had promised that nobody making under $250,000 a year wouldn’t see a dime of tax increased. I guess he was right because he’s taxing us thousands of dimes through the back door in other ways, some of them pending like the Cap and trade and the Universal Healthcare scam that you all seem to be so excited about but are not going to be participating in. All of you need to wake up and get out of the way of our economy. Until you realize that Government is the problem, and that it needs to show restraint, we are going to suffer. And if we suffer, there will be drastic changes in our Government in 2010, 2012 and 2014. If our elected officials suffer, it will be because our government has created many activists. I have never attended a protest. But I will be attending the next one in my area. I am completely disgusted with what’s going on with my country! Represent me and stop trying to control America. Let it be free.

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.” - Thomas Jefferson

Please, Represent me.

Sincerely,

Anastas


43 posted on 10/16/2009 9:36:27 AM PDT by Anastas
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To: Lady Jag

Yep.

She is in the wrong court for Quo Warrento, that has to happen in DC Circuit court, aside from the SCOTUS, it is the only remedy offered us by congress for ousting an Usurper.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2363950/posts

This lays it all on the line.


44 posted on 10/16/2009 9:41:46 AM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Diogenesis

Where was Lord Monkton on the issue of joining the E.U., and relinquishing British sovereignty?

I’m not dismissing he warning, just curious.


45 posted on 10/16/2009 9:46:52 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: Yadanuiat

How can one monster do so much damage to so large a country in so short a time? Anyone? How is it that a temporary occupant of the white house can sign and get away with these treaties and agreements that hurt our society and democracy? I know it is a retorical question.


46 posted on 10/16/2009 9:47:10 AM PDT by Citizen Soldier (Just got up from Bedroomshire)
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To: Danae

Thanks. Off to read that thread.


47 posted on 10/16/2009 9:48:14 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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To: Lady Jag

Combine all that is going on... and it is a terrifying picture to behold.


48 posted on 10/16/2009 9:54:22 AM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae
Trust me, I am scared spitless. A lot of my graphics show it.
49 posted on 10/16/2009 10:09:02 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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To: Danae

Don’t you think it’s odd that as Illinois senator nearly 130 times he could not make a decision yes or no? Yet in the WH he’s like a bull in a china shop?


50 posted on 10/16/2009 10:12:50 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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