Posted on 10/31/2009 5:36:52 PM PDT by ventanax5
A few months ago, I wrote “The Danish Civil War”, a fictional scenario which served to structure a consideration of various issues relating to the rise of Islam in Europe and the likely consequences thereof. The essay finished with the conclusion that Islam constituted an existential threat to the survival of European civilization, and that Islam’s influence on Europe therefore needed to be eliminated. It further concluded that, logically speaking, the various ways of achieving this goal could be broadly subdivided into three categories:
1) inducing Muslims to leave of their own free will, 2) mass deportations, and 3) genocide.
(Hereinafter referred to as options one, two and three, respectively)
This final conclusion was delivered as dispassionately as possible due to a desire to present the situation objectively, as if an alien super-intelligence were viewing the conflicts of various warring tribes of hairless apes. If I am correct in arguing that the number of Muslims in Europe must be reduced to no more than a fraction of its current value, then the three options I discussed are the only three options for achieving this goal. We may consider all three to be morally abhorrent and decide to submit to Islam rather than avail ourselves of any of them, but that does not alter the brute analysis of what could, in principle, be done in response to the Islamization of Europe.
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Europe as we have known it is doomed.
In our lifetimes, the cathedrals of Europe will become mosques.
In a century, there will be less than 10% non-Muslims in Europe, as more and more Europeans convert to Islam rather than put up with dhimmi status.
The USA won’t look like that. We WILL fight back.
My wife, whose family still lives in Italy and England, has said to me that the moment it looks like Islamic people are about to take over, the nice-nice smiley faces of the moment will be replaced by the camps, pogroms, genocide, and forced deportations of the more traditional European heritage. Once the fighting starts, they tell me, expect the Europeans to revert to form and do the same thing to the Moslems that the Europeans have always done to troublesome minorities. The survivors will be shipped across the Mediterranean Sea.
At least that’s what they say. We’ll get to see whether or not it’s true soon enough.
I know I will.
What are they going to beat them up with? Sticks & stones?
Spitballs?
Jeeze, riveting stuff, even for us anti-Islamic extremists.
I don’t see Euro pensioners pushing walkers manning any barricades.
The young muzzies are the future streetfighters. If anybody “gets on the train,” it will be elderly Euros who won’t convert to Islam.
Young Euros will just surrender and convert.
There are those who think the Christian world will end up having to use its still-superior nuclear firepower on the Muslim world — or face being overrun. I don’t know that I am ready to go that far. But this IS an existential struggle, to be sure!
I feel silly saying this but The French will not go down with out a fight, and they will win. I don’t think the Germans will either.
I agree. The Europeans can get nasty.
Maybe the muslims will win in Europe.
Maybe but when your backs against a wall you have no where to turn to.
Islam's influence on Europe therefore needed to be eliminated. It further concluded that, logically speaking, the various ways of achieving this goal could be broadly subdivided into three categories:
1) inducing Muslims to leave of their own free will, 2) mass deportations, and 3) genocide.
4) conversion/assimilation.
I hope you are right. But we have become this disjointed, multicultural type of Babel that shares little in common but geography. Perhaps after 50-60+ years of constant Marxist propaganda which has also been largely adopted by many on the right I'm too pessimistic but unless and until we can address the real issues and quit backing away from all that we are as a people and quit using euphemisms I see little evidence that it is true. When we unabashedly stand up for white Western culture and all that entails then there will be hope but otherwise all I see is rage against the machine with movement still going left. We are not only ideas but people too, always have been. People whose conceptualization of those ideas are what became us and this nation. These idea came not just from anyone but from white Westerners. Magna Carta, Constitution etc. As long as we continue to embrace that we are strictly a proposition nation then we are doomed to fail. For if it is ONLY ideas that bound us we are all replaceable widgets and easily defeated.
You americans always forget about two things when you talk about Europe in the context of guns:
1) We have conscription and a reserves system, therefore a massive percentage of most of our nations have had operational military training, and a subset thereof, especially the leadership personnel, continue to actively train. We’re more than capable of shooting straight and pretending to be bushes.
2) Using the German system as a particular example, we have a system of distributed weapons depots that automatically act as mobilization points during times of crisis. We consider the mobilization of conscripts to be absolutely core to our national defense. We don’t like the lone gunman thing. If anything were to ever actually threaten the existence of the German republic and it’s rights and liberties, active and inactive conscripts and professional soldiers would be bound to mobilize in defense as per the oath:
“I swear to loyally serve the Federal Republic of Germany, and to bravely defend the rights and freedom of the German people, so help me God.”
In short, the absence of a civilian tendency to wear arms has nothing to do with the efficiency of a national defense. You forget too quickly that Germany has been “squeezed” culturally before, on both sides, for the better part of 2,000 years, and we managed just fine. While intrinsically nothing to be proud of, our kill ratios during the second world war are also a testament to our ability to fight effectively against overwhelming odds.
I would caution against to anyone looking to force “cultural” dominance on Germany, regardless of creed or society, is the massive reprisal it can generate. Germany is traditionally pretty evenly split between tolerance liberals and hardline conservatives, and those two exist in good, spirited harmony. This also means that when things become too screwy for even the liberals, they are perfectly willing to cooperate fully with the conservatives to take care of business. There is no animosity or conflict there as there is in US politics. We are one people, and we will not be divided.
When I was stationed in Germany 30 years ago, I had frequent contact with the CLG (Civilian Labor Group) The CLG used to move munitions from caches (depots) in places called Miseau (and others) to sites in Hohenfels, Wildfleken, Grafenwoer, and elsewhere. They did other stuff as well, but that was mostly my experiences with CLG.
The CLG were involved in a lot of USAEUR operations and they mostly were required to dress in (US) Army fatigues with their own set of chevrons & decorations designating rank and such.
One day I met a fellow who was quite fluent in English. That man seemed to me to be quite put out that he had been required as part of his occupation to have to qualify with weapons (M16) on a range. He resented it a lot, stating that he was “not in the Army.”
I was surprised at his rant and at the time he made a lot of sense to me. I was about 23 and he was a bit older.
Now I am not so sure. Unless things have changed quite a bit (and they have) I sort of like this new stuff that I was unaware (or had not considered at length) of before you posted to me.
I hope that you are right.
From where I sit, Europe is in big trouble.
Jihad has many fronts.
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