Posted on 11/19/2009 2:38:15 PM PST by freemike
This is why we need to go back to paper ballots and/or the voting booths!
The higher the tech, the more easier the fraud!!
“After the earlier post about Conservative congressional candidate Doug Hoffman’s accusations of “mischief” in the special-election vote count, a source in New York called my attention to a breaking story in the Gouverneur (N.Y.) Times:”Libertas
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The more easier????
Much more easier
I hope he’s right, because if he is proven to be wrong he’s done for good.
I wish we just got ink on our fingers like they do in Afghanistan
theres a voting machine that uses optical scanners. Kinda like in exams where you mark the a/b/c/d boxes. Thats better than the purely electronic ones.
theres a voting machine that uses optical scanners. Kinda like in exams where you mark the a/b/c/d boxes. Thats better than the purely electronic ones as theres a paper trail
Agreed! When I first saw the pictures of the proud purple fingers, I knew that was the simplest, coolest way to do it. And no more little, “I voted”, stickers! Why, just think of the trees we would save ; P
Tatt
personally I don’t think multiple voting fraud occurs much at all. Its too much effort for just one person. Most of the fraud occur at absentee voting where you can’t verify if the person voting actually exist or really the person voting and during the counting process by corrupt officials
When it comes to voting, yes.
Look, a lot of voting places had older people there to watch the polls. Things were simple. The booths were made of iron and sealed. Paper ballots were easy to count. It was simple math. Now, with the PC
s, you’ve just excluded a lot of people who cannot understand the system.
Now, enter computers. Touch screen. Do you realize how fragile this system is. Do you realize how privacy is lost? The booth had curtains, for instance. These computer areas are usually wide open.
The other thing, it takes an “expert” to care for them. Someone with a degree in software. What prevents any kind of virus to be inserted into the programing of these machines even at the time they are made? A single voter with a strong magnet could, if he wanted to, mess the whole system up. If the screens are even knocked to the floor, votes could be lost due to damage and how would they be retrieved? What happens if the power goes out? Would all voting come to a stop??
This whole system has been a scam and should never have been allowed to take place. Drop a box of paper ballots to the floor and what real damage has been done?
Ugh, a virus on voting computers? I’ve heard (but am still in disbelief) that many computers sold as “voting machines” simply run Windows with a custom voting application pre-installed. It’s depressing.
A few years back a very distinguished professor of computer science and electrical engineering at Stanford, David Dill, was appalled by this situation, and started a group called “VerifiedVoting.org” that advocates for an auditable paper trail to accompany vote counts. The site is a good place to check and see whether your state requires a voter-verifiable paper record (VVPR) of election results to be made at the time of voting.
According to their map, New York voting regulations do require and auditable paper trail (after a law passed in 2005).
its during the counting process where most fraud occurs. How many times have we heard ballot boxes going missing and we find them in official cars or that officials find ballot boxes during the recount that wasn’t count that somehow all goes Democrats
an attacker who gets physical access to a machine or its removable memory card for as little
as one minute could install malicious code; malicious code on a machine could steal votes undetectably,
modifying all records, logs, and counters to be consistent with the fraudulent vote count it creates. An
attacker could also create malicious code that spreads automatically and silently from machine to machine
during normal election activities—a voting-machine virus. We have constructed working demonstrations
of these attacks in our lab. Mitigating these threats will require changes to the voting machine’s hardware
and software and the adoption of more rigorous election procedures.
http://citp.princeton.edu/pub/ts06full.pdf
ML/NJ
Ours are the optical scanners. Our ballots have little ovals that you fill in. Anybody who can’t figure out how to do that shouldn’t vote anyway.
Think of the cost of exhuming the bodies of all of those Democratic voters just to color their fingers!
And Chavez owns the machines.
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/03/31/venezuelas-involvement-in-us-elections/
State: Use of new voting machines "very successful"
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2009A state Board of Elections official gave high marks Tuesday to the digital voting systems that replaced traditional lever machines in 20 counties this Election Day.
Anna E. Svizzero, elections operation director, said the state's pilot program - which also included 28 counties that used a blend of new voting systems and old lever machines - "was very successful."
"We did encounter some issues with voting machine failures," she told the state's Board of Commissioners in Albany. "(But) we certainly have more lever machine problems than BMD (ballot marking device) or scanner issues."
The state is transitioning from lever machines to new handicapped-accessible voting systems to comply with the federal Help America Vote Act.
The director said Dominion machines in Lewis, Seneca and Schuyler failed - but "it wasn't countywide. It was a handful of machines within those counties. It wasn't seen as a catastophic failure."
She said the primary cause of voting machine failure was a memory issue related to the way ballots were programmed to record multiple votes for one office.
"If the test votes were cast in a certain way, the machine would freeze up and it would not permit you to move forward," she said. "So there were no votes calculated on the voting machines and those ballots were the ones that had to be hand counted. In reviewing the county board ballot styles, the vendor located the 10 counties where that change had to be made and it was made prior to Election Day. But, in that it was humans reviewing those ballots, there were a couple of those ballot styles that were missed. So, in the field on Election Day, the problem did arise. The scanner did freeze up.”
Ms. Svizzero said in all instances where the scanner froze, the ballots were hand counted.
"That's certainly one of the assets of the paper ballot - that there will never be a vote that's lost," she said.
Ms. Svizzero said all other issues were related to "paper jams and inexperience with the system and that those issues will be overcome with more time."
The director reported no issues with ES&S voting machines, which were used by Albany, Schenectady and Erie counties' voters.
Watch Ms. Svizzero's full report here, starting at the 13:56 mark.
In nevada, when you vote, a paper copy is generated that you can see with your selections on it. The only problem with that is nobody probably actually looks at them unless the results are very close. I’m sure these things can be programmed to produce fraud outside of the paper trails margins
You need to wake up. We have optical scanners in our district. They cheat by not having the scanners working so that when you go to put your vote in the scanner after marking the ballot you end up having to throw your ballot in a bin below.
If the actual scanner does not work, they have you throw your vote in a bin below and tell you that your ballot will be run through later.
Now, with many RATS running the polls, they go through those ballots and pitch the GOP votes in a damn dumpster behind the local firehouse and replace them with a democrat vote.
Easy cheesy!
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