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"Global Warming" SCAM - Hack/Leak FLASH in forum [Ticker]
TickerForum ^ | Nov. 21, 2009 | (various)

Posted on 11/25/2009 10:13:48 PM PST by grey_whiskers

Ok.... Who is Tim Mitchell? Did he die or something? There's a very disturbing "HARRY_READ_ME.txt" file in documents that APPEARS to be somebody trying to fit existing results to data and much of it is about the code that's here. I think there's something very very wrong here...

This file is 15,000 lines of comments, much of it copy/pastes of code or output by somebody (who's harry?) trying to make sense of it all....

Here's two particularly interesting bits, one from early in the file and one from way down:

Quote:
7. Removed 4-line header from a couple of .glo files and loaded them into
Matlab. Reshaped to 360r x 720c and plotted; looks OK for global temp
(anomalies) data. Deduce that .glo files, after the header, contain data
taken row-by-row starting with the Northernmost, and presented as '8E12.4'.
The grid is from -180 to +180 rather than 0 to 360.
This should allow us to deduce the meaning of the co-ordinate pairs used to
describe each cell in a .grim file (we know the first number is the lon or
column, the second the lat or row - but which way up are the latitudes? And
where do the longitudes break?

There is another problem: the values are anomalies, wheras the 'public'
.grim files are actual values. So Tim's explanations (in _READ_ME.txt) are
incorrect..

8. Had a hunt and found an identically-named temperature database file which
did include normals lines at the start of every station. How handy - naming
two different files with exactly the same name and relying on their location
to differentiate!
Aaarrgghh!! Re-ran anomdtb:


Uhm... So they don't even KNOW WHAT THE ****ING DATA MEANS?!?!?!?!

What dumbass names **** that way?!

Talk about cluster****. This whole file is a HUGE ASS example of it. If they deal with data this way, there's no ****ing wonder they've lost **** along they way. This is just unbelievable.

And it's not just one instance of not knowing what the hell is going on either:

Quote:
The deduction so far is that the DTR-derived CLD is waaay off. The DTR looks OK, well
OK in the sense that it doesn;t have prominent bands! So it's either the factors and
offsets from the regression, or the way they've been applied in dtr2cld.

Well, dtr2cld is not the world's most complicated program. Wheras cloudreg is, and I
immediately found a mistake! Scanning forward to 1951 was done with a loop that, for
completely unfathomable reasons, didn't include months! So we read 50 grids instead
of 600!!! That may have had something to do with it. I also noticed, as I was correcting
THAT, that I reopened the DTR and CLD data files when I should have been opening the
bloody station files!! I can only assume that I was being interrupted continually when
I was writing this thing. Running with those bits fixed improved matters somewhat,
though now there's a problem in that one 5-degree band (10S to 5S) has no stations! This
will be due to low station counts in that region, plus removal of duplicate values.


I've only actually read about 1000 lines of this, but started skipping through it to see if it was all like that when I found that second quote above somewhere way down in the file....

CLUSTER.... ****. This isn't science, it's gradeschool for people with big data sets.


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It's justifiably immoral to try to deal in a moral fashion with an immoral entity.

If you trade based on what other people say, you will lose money. Especially what I say. I won't be held responsible. Festina lente.

Last modified: 2009-11-21 01:43:45 by asimov

2009-11-21 01:42:56



TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy; Politics; Weather
KEYWORDS: climategate; fakebutaccurate; globalwarming; hadleycru; omgwtf
Note: After reading these emails, I can no longer in good conscience call any of this stuff "science".

Click through to the link: and read the comments, particularly from the poster "Asimov". The good stuff starts on page 13.

There are scads of quotes which literally had my mouth hanging open.

Examples include: -- an admission that an attempt to replicate THEIR OWN PUBLISHED DATA came out to within half a degree (!!)

These are very promising. The vast majority in both cases are within 0.5 degrees of the published data. However, there are still plenty of values more than a degree out.

-- an admission that some of their codes EXPLICITLY give incorrect results:

The IDL gridding program calculates whether or not a station contributes to a cell, using.. graphics. Yes, it plots the station sphere of influence then checks for the colour white in the output. So there is no guarantee that the station number files, which are produced *independently* by anomdtb, will reflect what actually happened!!

-- explicit admission that they are recreating a cloud correlation function from the year 2000 from scratch because both the original correlation data file and construction file have been lost:

; program to construct cloud correlation coefficients (with DTR) ; method approximately follows New et al 2000 ; this program is required because Mark New has lost both ; the correlation data file, and construction files ; written by Tim Mitchell 10.01.03

-- a plaintive cry for help that they don't even know which files they are looking *at*:

So.. we don't have the coefficients files (just .eps plots of something). But what are all those monthly files? DON'T KNOW, UNDOCUMENTED. Wherever I look, there are data files, no info about what they are other than their names. And that's useless.. take the above example, the filenames in the _mon and _ann directories are identical, but the contents are not. And the only difference is that one directory is apparently 'monthly' and the other 'annual' - yet both contain monthly files.

(and in a similar vein, this gem):


Then - comparing the two candidate spc databases:

spc.0312221624.dtb
spc.94-00.0312221624.dtb

I find that they are broadly similar, except the normals lines (which
both start with '6190') are very different. I was expecting that maybe
the latter contained 94-00 normals, what I wasn't expecting was that
thet are in % x10 not %! Unbelievable - even here the conventions have
not been followed. It's botch after botch after botch. Modified the
conversion program to process either kind of normals line.

Decided to go with the 'spc.94-00.0312221624.dtb' database, as it
hopefully has some of the 94-00 normals in. I just wish I knew more.

Conversion was hampered by the discovery that some stations have a mix
of % and % x10 values! So more mods to Hsp2cldp_m.for. Then conversion,
producing cldfromspc.94000312221624.dtb. Copied the .dts file across
as is, not sure what it does unfortunately (or can't remember!).

And (to my mind) the coûp de grace:

..knowing how long it takes to debug this suite - the experiment
endeth here. The option (like all the anomdtb options) is totally
undocumented so we'll never know what we lost.

22. Right, time to stop pussyfooting around the niceties of Tim's labyrinthine software
suites - let's have a go at producing CRU TS 3.0! since failing to do that will be the
definitive failure of the entire project
..

OMG WTF???

Remember. The science is "settled".

Yep. Down at the bottom of the Erlenmeyer flask.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."

Cheers!

1 posted on 11/25/2009 10:13:49 PM PST by grey_whiskers
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To: steelyourfaith; Kaslin; Wonder Warthog; The_Reader_David; snarks_when_bored; Myrddin; ...
Like, *PING*, folks.

For once, I am literally *speechless*.

Cheers!

2 posted on 11/25/2009 10:17:05 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Asimov’s comments were pretty good.


3 posted on 11/25/2009 10:21:34 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Sounds like someone dropped a big stack of puched cards in the early days...

Or the mice ate a few....

4 posted on 11/25/2009 10:24:34 PM PST by spokeshave (Albore can uninvent the internet as well as 0bama can unjump the shark)
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To: spokeshave

....incoming...attention...breaker/breaker.....tag line adjustment....


5 posted on 11/25/2009 10:26:10 PM PST by spokeshave (Albore can uninvent the internet about as well as 0bama can unjump the shark)
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To: grey_whiskers

It’s all just mind-boggling..... a first-semester college freshman is expected to be more competent and rigorous than this. These ass-clowns want to run the whole world and they can’t even run their little 3rd-rate “climate research” center with any competence and honesty!!

Don’t know if you’ve seen this comment (below) in the HARRY_READ_ME files, but he sure does sound incredibly frustrated, noting the “hopeless state of our databases.”

I’m no programmer and I’ve just been browsing around a bit in the comments included in the HARRY_READ_ME files posted at the links below, but this statement of despair does seem to indict the whole project of trying to make any scientific use of this incoherent mess of badly recorded and often undocumented data (at another point the commenter noted that he “hates” this project for the spaghetti mess of garbage data and bad code that has been dumped in his lap):

**** “OH #### THIS. It’s Sunday evening, I’ve worked all weekend, and just when I thought it was done I’m
hitting yet another problem that’s based on the hopeless state of our databases. There is no uniform
data integrity, it’s just a catalogue of issues that continues to grow as they’re found.” ****

http://di2.nu/foia/HARRY_READ_ME-35t.html

http://di2.nu/foia/HARRY_READ_ME-0.html


6 posted on 11/25/2009 10:28:00 PM PST by Enchante (Obama to Jihad Terrorists: Come to NYC and Propagate Your Message - I Am Only Too Happy To Help!)
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To: Enchante

Without any of this the way to spot a scam is this: does it take away your money and exercise of freedom?


7 posted on 11/25/2009 10:36:44 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Enchante

You know what alarmist thingy I forgot?

The OZONE LAYER.

I remember reading that by now, our skin would be burning off our face and blistering when we left the house. Whatever happened with the Ozone Layer scare?


8 posted on 11/25/2009 10:46:32 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: grey_whiskers
I'm guessing here that these bozos got some climate science graduate students with minimal programming experience to do all of their coding for them instead of hiring professionally trained programmers and database managers. The students were smart enough, however, to cover their ass by making a list of all the mistakes that have accumulated both unintenionally and intentionally in the programs and data files.
9 posted on 11/25/2009 10:54:24 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: word_warrior_bob

It went away when Clinton was elected.


10 posted on 11/25/2009 10:56:04 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: grey_whiskers

But, but... Al Gore and Ed Begley, Jr., both said the debate is over.


11 posted on 11/25/2009 10:57:31 PM PST by Rocky (Obama's ego: The "I's" have it.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I wish they’d quit *****ing out the cuss words - they’re the only one’s I understand.


12 posted on 11/25/2009 11:01:44 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: word_warrior_bob
That all went away when patent for Dupont R-22 refrigerant expired, so they had to say it was destroying the ozone layer so they could ban it and invent something else to sell us.
13 posted on 11/25/2009 11:32:36 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'm from TEXAS -- what country are YOU from?)
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To: word_warrior_bob
Save the Whales?

Global Cooling?

Acid Rain?

14 posted on 11/26/2009 12:12:13 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: Kirkwood
I'm guessing here that these bozos got some climate science graduate students with minimal programming experience

First of all, you are apparently right. Someone called Tim Mitchell was working there on his PhD, and he wrote most of that "code." Once he got the PhD he just walked out of the door, never to be seen again - and that's where Harry comes into the spotlight. Harry was tasked with reverse-engineering Tim's mess, and he couldn't make any sense out of it. No surprise if the "settled science" that the CRU published was based on a PhD work of a student, and that work was never even checked, let alone peer-reviewed.

I worked with a few scientists, and they are typically awful programmers. This is because they never studied computer science. They may be geniuses in their area of expertise (not the case here, likely) but they are pathetic in implementation of their wondrous algorithms. They write spaghetti code as if there is no tomorrow, and in many cases that's true - they get their degrees and move on. They never need to worry about version control, documentation, maintenance - none of that usual stuff that is *required* for any production software.

So I understand how it all happened. There was no management in the whole process, ever. Stations were sending monthly data in similar, but minutely different formats; the disks with reports were not filed but just thrown into desk drawers until they are needed. There were no backups, there was no process established. Your average car mechanic has a better ran computer - he knows that if his database of customers is lost he'd be in trouble. But those guys just didn't care. All they wanted is the "correct" results, and Tim worked hard to produce them. And when you have millions of measurements over tens of years, it's easy - especially if you don't allow anyone to check your work. Tim's boss knew what's up and it was his task to make sure nobody gets to see the data and the code - until now.

So when all these files started coming, people like Tim, due to lack of formal CS training, screwed it up big time. Results were erroneous. They noticed that, and Tim added a layer of patches to "fix" the problem - which only made it worse, so they had to patch again and again. At some point they just inserted a huge fudge factor to fit the measurements into the politics. And when it was time to publish they ran the program, in its sorry state, one last time and published whatever came out. And it was all garbage, of course.

So when Harry was given this mess to sort out, no surprise he couldn't recreate the published results. How could he, if there is not a single written note on how to do it! And the programs were changed many times since then, and there is no record of what was changed and how. To add to that, some data files are simply lost, and other mislabeled, and not a single person present knows how Tim did what he did. Probably even Tim couldn't repeat the calculations on the next day, so disorganized the whole work was. Professional programmers know very well how to avoid such disasters - by using version control software - but obviously CRU geniuses were too much above all that mundane stuff.

Is it possible to save the situation? Yes, but it's not easy. First of all, they need to publish *all* source data (station data) that they accumulated over time. Scientists need to reconcile this data with other records and agree on how to interpret the data. Then it must be converted to a common format and again published. Everyone must agree that this data is reasonable. Only then the scientists may start working on analysis of that new batch of data. This will take a few years, especially none of the CRU crew may be involved - they can't be trusted.

15 posted on 11/26/2009 12:25:33 AM PST by Greysard
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To: grey_whiskers
24 hrs ago these were the Top upper-left headlines on DRUDGE

Climategate: 'Greatest scandal in modern science'...
Call for Congressional investigation...
Paper: Junk science exposed among climate-change believers..
Obama: 'Step closer' to climate deal...
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Three leading scientists who on Tuesday released a report documenting the accelerating pace of climate change said the scandal that erupted last week over hacked emails from climate scientists is nothing more than a "smear campaign" aimed at sabotaging December climate talks in Copenhagen.

"We're facing an effort by special interests who are trying to confuse the public," said Richard Somerville, Distinguished Professor Emeritus at Scripps Institution of Oceanography and a lead author of the UN IPCC Fourth Assessment Report.

Dissenters see action to slow global warming as "a threat," he said.

The comments were made in a conference call for reporters.

The scientists—Somerville, Michael Mann of Penn State and Eric Steig of University of Washington—were supposed to be discussing their new report, the Copenhagen Diagnosis, a dismal update of the UN IPCC's 2007 climate data by 26 scientists from eight nations.

Instead they spent much of the time diffusing the hacker controversy, known in the media as "Climate Gate."

SOURCE

16 posted on 11/26/2009 1:04:19 AM PST by thouworm
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To: word_warrior_bob

Remember ALAR? (Insecticide scare. Bogus.)


17 posted on 11/26/2009 1:20:16 AM PST by Rocky (Obama's ego: The "I's" have it.)
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To: grey_whiskers; rlmorel; Nervous Tick; 4horses+amule; Desdemona; Fractal Trader; markomalley; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

18 posted on 11/26/2009 2:22:51 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: thouworm
Obama: 'Step closer' to climate deal...

Once he gets his "climate deal" and the enabling legislation, none of the chicanery and incompetence and ideological "science" matters any more. The NYT and the Networks can run it as the Scandal Of The Century and everyone can know but it won't matter any more. The US will be a Command Economy.

19 posted on 11/26/2009 4:10:03 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: grey_whiskers; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

You, grey_whiskers? If so, it’s time we all sat down and took a good hard look at ourselves. Thanks, and have a great Thanksgiving.


20 posted on 11/26/2009 6:42:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: grey_whiskers

bump


21 posted on 11/26/2009 6:53:05 AM PST by XHogPilot
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To: arthurus
Nearly too surreal to be believed, isn't it.


22 posted on 11/26/2009 8:10:59 AM PST by thouworm
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To: arthurus; SunkenCiv; thouworm; grey_whiskers; Pan_Yan; azkathy; Just mythoughts; Marine_Uncle; ...
I believe Treaties must be approved by the US Senate....

The last roadblock...to takeover?

23 posted on 11/26/2009 8:18:42 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This Senate is going to be a roadblock to Hussein’s treaties??


24 posted on 11/26/2009 8:58:20 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: grey_whiskers; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...
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FReepmail me to get on or off

Ping me if you find one I've missed.



25 posted on 11/26/2009 9:00:22 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Kirkwood
I'm guessing here that these bozos got some climate science graduate students with minimal programming experience to do all of their coding for them instead of hiring professionally trained programmers and database managers. The students were smart enough, however, to cover their ass by making a list of all the mistakes that have accumulated both unintenionally and intentionally in the programs and data files.

My experience in academia was that professors preferred working on the cheap, using free student labor in exchange for good "project" grades. I was a student software developer working on a grant for statistical analysis of software reliability for the Air Force. Based on what I saw, the professor did a song and dance and pocketed most of the grant money.

26 posted on 11/26/2009 9:53:51 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: arthurus

If it isn’t.....then what?


27 posted on 11/26/2009 10:01:02 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Enchante; grey_whiskers; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle
You would think with all of the money flowing out of government grants they could have bought more professional help to do things like revision control,...etc...that truly shows how poorly managed they scam was in the back room...

Perhaps they tried and no one would touch it?

I mean Soros must know some real professionals that are not squeamish about small things like massaging a data base ?

28 posted on 11/26/2009 10:12:10 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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Maybe the top level SCAM artists (Gore, Soros,etc ) got scammed by the low level scam artist scientists....

ROFL!

29 posted on 11/26/2009 10:14:21 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: PapaBear3625

See #28 and #29.


30 posted on 11/26/2009 10:15:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: grey_whiskers

The breeze is blowing the smoke away. (it was coming from a smoke machine, not a fire!)


31 posted on 11/26/2009 10:29:12 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I think the Healthcare Bill is a test, if they can get that past, they can get anything past.

They will break senator’s kneecaps if they have to.


32 posted on 11/26/2009 10:39:12 AM PST by dila813
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I believe Treaties must be approved by the US Senate.... The last roadblock...to takeover?

In the end, all laws and formal constructs of governance are simply agreements held by groups of people acting in their own best interests.

When those appointed by the group to carry out and administer their governance abuse that power too broadly, the core agreement breaks down and you get revolution.

Real power always rests with the people - even those who've allowed themselves to become controlled by their elites to the depths of actual enslavement. The people can always revolt. They may die in the attempt, but they ultimately hold the power over the direction of the culture, as a whole.

The Obama regime can pass all the laws and edicts they want, and sign any treaties they want to, but there's no guarantee that the people will allow any of it to stick. They have to agree to allow the enforcement of any new laws or agreements made on their behalf.

We shall see how agreeable the American people are to all of Obama's radical re-engineering of our established order.

33 posted on 11/26/2009 11:46:31 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Maybe the top level SCAM artists (Gore, Soros,etc ) got scammed by the low level scam artist scientists....

I would not be surprised. The low level scientists knew they would wind up being the suckers left holding the bag, with no reputations left. This would give them an incentive to cut corners and pocket as much of the grant amounts as they could. The problem with hiring crooks, is that they are crooks. Somebody who has no problem with high-level crimes will not hesitate to perform other forms of dishonesty.

34 posted on 11/26/2009 12:07:21 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

How much ammo do you have? Do you have food laid up?


35 posted on 11/26/2009 4:56:06 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"I believe Treaties must be approved by the US Senate.... The last roadblock...to takeover?"
Perhaps it is not to far off when we will start to get a good breakdown as to who in the Senate is waking up and on the side of caution in this matter.
36 posted on 11/26/2009 5:41:29 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Soros as well as most of the other supporters of the global warming scam do not sit in the labs and offices watching what these hacks are doing. They depend on the university and government entities to put the right people in place to carry out their bidding.
But let us not become confused. They where adjusting the data to favor a global warming conditions. They could have had the best code revision software in the world but it would mean nothing.
37 posted on 11/26/2009 5:54:01 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: grey_whiskers

Thanks for the ping!


38 posted on 11/26/2009 9:17:22 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; FBD
Thanks for the ping, Earnest.
To say this thread's been a fascinating read, comments included, is a gross understatement.

FBD: Start at the top & read to the bottom. ;^)

39 posted on 11/26/2009 10:49:42 PM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: Landru
Check this thread ...and the Youtube videos...:

'Cap and Trade Is Dead'---So declares Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe,

See links at #50 and #53....for some excellent youtubes....

40 posted on 11/26/2009 11:04:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks again, will-do.

After TG'g, just working my way through a days pings. LOL
One of which I believe is the thread you've directed me to. ;^)

41 posted on 11/26/2009 11:21:40 PM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: Landru

yup! -very interesting indeed!
-ever go to the Anthony Watts site: watts up with that.com?

read THIS:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/climategate-hide-the-decline-codified/#comment-236724


42 posted on 11/27/2009 1:38:46 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: grey_whiskers; Landru
who is Tim, I wonder...

http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/HARRY_READ_ME.txt

“...So, to me this identifies it as the program we cannot use any more because the coefficients were lost. As it says in the gridding read_me:

“Bear in mind that there is no working synthetic method for cloud, because Mark New lost the coefficients file and never found it again (despite searching on tape archives at UEA) and never recreated it.
This hasn't mattered too much, because the synthetic cloud grids had not been discarded for 1901-95, and after 1995 sunshine data is used instead of cloud data anyway.”


———”So.. we don't have the coefficients files (just .eps plots of something). But what are all those monthly files? DON'T KNOW, UNDOCUMENTED.

“Wherever I look, there are data files, no info about what they are other than their names. And that's useless.. take the above example, the filenames in the _mon and _ann directories are identical, but the contents are not.
And the only difference is that one directory is apparently ‘monthly’ and the other ‘annual’ - yet both contain monthly files.”

“So, uhhhh.. what in tarnation is going on? Just how off-beam are these datasets?!!”



Yeah...just how “off-beam” are their data sets???
43 posted on 11/27/2009 2:10:14 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

catching up ... bttt


44 posted on 11/27/2009 7:02:41 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: FBD
"yup! -very interesting indeed!"

"-ever go to the Anthony Watts site: watts up with that.com? read THIS:"

Seems there's talk. LOL

"Yeah...just how “off-beam” are their data sets???"

Ahhhhh, enough to render/award it all "Gibberish" status? LOL ;^)

45 posted on 11/27/2009 7:58:10 AM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Good luck,...there are ton’s of threads...


46 posted on 11/27/2009 8:18:12 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Landru; grey_whiskers

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/climategate-hide-the-decline-codified/#comment-236724

anaon (15:46:02) 11/25/09:

“What we have here is a documented THREE year effort by a CRU programmer, who had access to all the data, access to all the code, access to all the people who developed the code and the models and still HE could still NOT duplicate CRU’s OWN results. If he can’t it simply means the CRU’s results cannot be reproduced even by themselves and so there is no point anyone else even trying — CRU themselves have proven it’s a waste of time and so they themselves have proven their own results are plain rubbish. That means any “peer reviewed” document CRU produced along with any other papers that cited the CRU papers are based on data the CRU themselves can’t verify.

Besides, the absolutly sorry state of affairs in the data handling and software managment the HARRY_READ_ME.txt reveals, the utter and total mess of CRU data and software this document reveals is WHY CRU has not released its data and model software.

Given the CRU is one of the most, if not the most cited sources of climate data — upon which trillions of dollars of economic policy is being set, the importance of what the HARRY_READ_ME.txt file reveals becomes scary.”

A very nice layman’s summary of some of the issues in the HARRY_READ_ME.txt can be found here

http://www.devilskitchen.me.uk/2009/11/data-horribilis-harryreadmetxt-file.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDevilsKitchen+%28The+Devil%27s+Kitchen


47 posted on 11/27/2009 9:02:20 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: Landru

Haahahahaa! This is a very well done Climate gate parody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk&feature=player_embedded


48 posted on 11/27/2009 11:53:34 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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