Here Comes The Mini Ice Age

The Lid/UK Mail ^ | 1/10/10 | The Lid

[Shellybenoit]

Back in September a climate Scientist, named Mojib Latif predicted that the earth was facing a mini "ice age," 20-30 years of global cooling. Latif said the cooling would be the result of changes to ocean currents and temperatures in the North Atlantic, a feature known as the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO). Latif also said that the NAO may be partly the cause of warming during the past 30 years (he also said he is not a global warming skeptic).

The prediction of this non-skeptic challenge some of the Church of Global Warming's most holy beliefs, like the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in summer by 2013, only a bit more than three years from now.

The US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, says that Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007, and even the most committed global warming moonbats do not dispute this. Ah, it must be a trick, the ice is going to disappear by growing. Just like the cooling is the result of global warming.

The scientists’ predictions about the effects of changes to ocean currents, also undermine the standard climate computer models, which assert that the warming of the Earth since 1900 has been driven solely by man-made greenhouse gas emissions and will continue as long as carbon dioxide levels rise.

[dr_who]

So their affects on total emitted light are partially canceled.

In terms of electromagnetic radiation at least, I wouldn't expect them to have any measureable effect on the ~1300 W/m^2 we get from the sun, given how much surface area that the sun has. And what's so special about UV? As for subatomic particles that probably mostly bombard the poles, it would be interesting to know how that affects polar weather patterns or whether radiation in the upper reaches of the atmosphere have much of relevance to the lower atmosphere which I guess is what we're really concerned about.

[dr_who]

Caption: India test fires its newest ballistic missile.

[dr_who]

Not sure what you mean by the “marine layer”, but it sure appears that there is a concentration of unusually hot water in the Chesapeake bay region.

[justa-hairyape]

And what's so special about UV?

Very important. It affects the Ozone Layer for starters. Another NASA scare born from ignorance. A new study also found that it affects the temperature of Earth's outer atmosphere, which ends up causing the outer atmosphere to expand and shrink in volume.

[justa-hairyape]

The Chesapeake Bay area is actually very cold. They use the same color on both ends of the chart. Probably cooled from the Arctic Air. Just watch, that bright pink cold area will expand dramatically and may eventually show up in the Gulf. That is what happened in the Southern Hemisphere last winter. And the summer sun is not making those cold pink spots warm down there. Do not know what the heck is going on in that warm spot in the center of Southern Pacific Ocean. It developed after the cold spots now located near New Zealand and South America developed. Probably due to some very large current eddies. But as one famous scientists kinda once said, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

[dr_who]

Why should the sun's output of UV fluctuate any more than most of the visible and IR spectrum (ie a couple of W/m^2)? ?

[dr_who]

Can't stand that part of the country. Frickin' cold wind in the winter and yucky stagnant hot air in the summer.

Do not know what the heck is going on in that warm spot in the center of Southern Pacific Ocean. It developed after the cold spots now located near New Zealand and South America developed. Probably due to some very large current eddies. But as one famous scientists kinda once said, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

I personally don't trust anyone named Eddie.

[justa-hairyape]

I personally don't trust anyone named Eddie.

Neither do I. And the Eddie I knew ended up dead in a ditch in Michigan. What goes around comes around eventually.

[justa-hairyape]

Don't know what you linked there, but I do not download files from links like that. Can you point to a web page ? Again, as I explained. The visible light metric is a poor metric to use to analyze solar activity variations. Real simple. Dark area cancel light area. Got it ?

[dr_who]

It’s a link to an ASCII text file on a government website giving irradiance values for the sun from 1979-2003. Haven’t cought a virus from an ASCII text file yet but would change my browser and OS shortly afterwards if I did.

[justa-hairyape]

Perhaps an illustration will help. A random image I selected from 2001 March 21st and the one for 2009 December 31st. This is Extreme Ultra Violet. Very energetic radiation.

[justa-hairyape]

I am using Firefox now, because of all the problems I had with explorer. Dang Russians cracked one of my bank accounts last summer. Those boys like money.

[muawiyah]

If you’d like to check up on how much the Great Lakes have frozen so far this year, this is your ref: http://weatherbug.com/images/bugtoday/ice_010510_1.jpg

[dr_who]

Yup.

[Mike Darancette]

Explain how the earlier ice age happened.

Which one? There were several Ice Ages including the one we are in now. The current Ice age started about 2.5 million years ago (scores of glacial advances) maybe caused by the closure of the Isthmus of Panama.

[nmh]

Your choice!

[Mike Darancette]

Cryogenian 850-630mya caused by a run away increase in the earth’s albedo. Called Snowball Earth.

[PIF]

“Gays in Key West will have to move to Kwaijalien Atoll”

Nah - let ‘em hang out in the Dry Tortuga's. Frozen Teenage Wasteland? Things certainly changed since I was there in the late 60s and early 70s - was just a warm hippie wasteland then... Do the locals still believe that vegetables grow in cans?

[PIF]

The ice sheet was estimated to be 2 kilometers (2,000 meters on average) - not 2 miles (3.22 kilometers) thick. There are numerous glaciers with comparable thickness to that during the Glacial Maximum existing today all around the world.

Antarctica glaciation depth estimates range from 2,100-4,500 meters - or 2.1 to 4.5 kilometers respectively.

Major controlling elements are ocean temperatures and solar radiation - land areas are simply where the effects are manifest. Did you know that during the Ice Age that the bottom of South America also had enormous ice sheets?

However, the salient point about those long gone glaciers is that when they finished melting, sea levels world wide rose 400-700 feet. That's a LOT of fresh water. AGWer strike fear in the public’s heart crying that when the ice caps melt seal levels will rise an astounding 40 feet! Our ancestors should have been so lucky.

[palmer]

We do a few other unmentionable things too

A small amount of heat from friction isn't going to do much to counteract global cooling.