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Alinsky VS Paine (Intro)
Rules for Radicals | 1/25/10

Posted on 01/25/2010 6:55:59 AM PST by eeevil conservative

The purpose of these writings is quite simple. We wanted to provide an easy to use tool in understanding Alinsky’s teachings, the tactics used by his followers, their motives, and the contrast of these to the spirit of America and her forefathers. Alinsky’s goal was revolution, just as our forefathers; but the outcome of each revolution are as different as freedom vs slavery.

No one can begin the study of Rules for Radicals without noting that Alinsky includes a quote from Thomas Paine and one from himself at the onset.

Paine quote:

“Lest them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul….”

Alinsky quote:

“Lest we forge at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgement to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom—Lucifer.”

Alinsky makes it clear with his quote from Paine, that his soul is invested in this revolution; hence calling him a name, like “rebel,” does not concern him. Yet he uses Paine of all people to establish this. I submit he used Paine as some way to not just legitimize himself, but to portray him as noble in his own eyes as well to others. I also conclude that he uses Lucifer as an example of a rebel, the first one to set the record straight that even calling him Satan himself will not dissuade him, he is committed. He wants his followers to be just as committed. He also establishes with his quote about Lucifer that the prize or goal for this deep dedication is one’s own “kingdom.” I’d also like to note that it is quite cute that he compares history to legends and mythology and challenges that no one really knows that there is any difference between them. As we continue this study, you will notice that he uses this technique quite often. He takes legitimate things, and mixes them among “evils” in an attempt to subliminally make them equal.

In the first paragraph of his prologue he attempts to establish that the “system” is flawed, everyone knows it, and the people cry out to “burn it down.” In the second paragraph he claims that the radicals of his generation are the vanguard, and few of them survived the “Joe McCarty holocaust of the early 1950’s” and even fewer gained an insight “beyond the “dialectical materialism of orthodox Marxism.” Alinsky wastes not time making very clear his motivation and his end game objective; Marxism.

The third paragraph begins with this:

“Today’s generation is desperately trying to make some sense out of their lives and out of the world. Most of them are products of the middle class. They have rejected their materialistic backgrounds, the goal of a well-paid job, suburban home, automobile, country club membership, first class travel, status, security, and everything that meant success to their parents. They have had it, they watched it lead their parents to tranquilizers, alcohol, long-term-endurance marriages, or divorces, high blood pressure, ulcers, frustration, and the disillusionment of “the good life.”

Note that he combines country club membership, first class travel, and status, with a well-paid job, suburban home, automobile, and security; while labeling them all as materialistic. I have yet to find a youngster who does not long for the freedom of the use of or for the possession of their own car. He is suggesting that a poor paying dead-end job, an inner city shack, dependence upon public transportation (government run and subsidized transportation, by the way), and lack of security should be the goals of true radicals? What kind of world or future is that? You see, security and personal property are evil and materialistic. Having nothing to live for is noble and makes you sincere and worthy to be his foot soldier. He believes the youth have rejected these sins of their parents. He wants his followers, his fellow radicals, to have NOTHING that would interfere with what he wants from them. He wants them to have nothing to lose, so there is no action or deed with too big a price for them to take.

We are only 2 and a half paragraphs into the prologue folks, but I think this is enough for today. I want to keep these short so that busy folks can keep up without giving up too much time with their families, etc.

Please feel free to share your thoughts on anything I have written above or to add your own insights.

Open mike time!


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: alinsky; avsp; bho44; democrats; liberalfascism; obama; paine
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1 posted on 01/25/2010 6:55:59 AM PST by eeevil conservative
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To: eeevil conservative; paulycy; gunnyg; ConjunctionJunction; Kerretarded; edpc; EBH; geologist; ...

Ping!

I hope this is useful, offers some insight and sparks some good dialogue....

I am open to any suggestions to make these threads more helpful if there is more I can do to make it better...

Thanks

ec

and as always- let me know if you want to be added to the ping list...best to FREEPmail me in case I miss any posts in the threads....


2 posted on 01/25/2010 6:59:14 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: eeevil conservative

Only my opinion but you would have made a better choice in juxtaposing Alinsky to Thomas Jefferson.


3 posted on 01/25/2010 7:04:21 AM PST by jla
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To: eeevil conservative

BUMP

Thanks.


4 posted on 01/25/2010 7:05:37 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: jla; Kerretarded

that is a great idea....

Kerretarded had the idea of juxting....and he offered Paine...he also offered to do the work..

if you would like to offer juxting with Thomas Jefferson, and do that, I think that would be AWESOME!

I truly want this to be as useful to folks as we can....


5 posted on 01/25/2010 7:08:24 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: eeevil conservative

Just reading that makes me think about Russia and its problems with alcoholism, even while under communism.


6 posted on 01/25/2010 7:09:24 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction (Never give up! Never surrender!)
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To: eeevil conservative
I submit he used Paine as some way to not just legitimize himself, but to portray him as noble in his own eyes as well to others.

Paine was a Jacobin. A real dirtbag. When Morris was trying to free Americans in France, Paine was over there working a deal with the revolutionary mob to steal Spanish property.

Alinsky used Paine because his target audience knows exactly how debased and evil Paine was.

7 posted on 01/25/2010 7:09:55 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Brugmansian

WOW— Fantastic!

thanks for sharing that info...I for one, had no clue! I hope you continue to offer your insights...

thanks!


8 posted on 01/25/2010 7:11:26 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: eeevil conservative
Note that he combines country club membership, first class travel, and status, with a well-paid job, suburban home, automobile, and security; while labeling them all as materialistic.

Obama is violating that principle, with his lavish lifestyle. His recent vacation in Hawaii cost a fortune.

9 posted on 01/25/2010 7:13:36 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: eeevil conservative
...to have NOTHING that would interfere with what he wants from them. He wants them to have nothing to lose, so there is no action or deed with too big a price for them to take.

Interesting that folks like him and other "leaders" of that philosophy expects that of their followers, but refuse to be held to the same standard. They become the very ones they rail against.History has proved that time and time again.

Thanks for undertaking this project. I'll be checking back frequently!

10 posted on 01/25/2010 7:15:07 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (Persecute terrorists, not small business.)
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To: eeevil conservative

Bookmark!


11 posted on 01/25/2010 7:15:26 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money" Lady Thatcher)
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To: eeevil conservative

Figured it might spark some interest in your thread

:-)

There is a reason Bill Moyers son named his website after Tom Paine. Liberals love Paine. Anti-Christian bigot. Jacobin. Franklin told Paine to burn his “Age of Reason” rather than publish it.

But he was a great propagandist. Thankfully Adams and others ditched him after using him. Jefferson did invite him to the White House. It caused a scandal. Paine slunk off to die alone and bitter in his Fairfield, Connecticut farmhouse.


12 posted on 01/25/2010 7:19:15 AM PST by Brugmansian
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To: eeevil conservative

Looks great so far.

Please add me to your ping list.


13 posted on 01/25/2010 7:26:16 AM PST by Gvl_M3
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

of course— and he can- he is not part of the “followers”— he is a leader—

I have his first book also....

Reveille for Radicals....

Chapter 4 “The Program” literally says this:

“It is not a democratic program but a monumental testament to the lack of faith in the ability and intelligence of the masses of people to think their way through to the successful solution of their problems.”

He is explaining that the program for organizing people that you are creating is a dictatorship....very few people in charge running it...play on the people being dumb, etc....


14 posted on 01/25/2010 7:28:45 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: ozark hilljilly

I have his first book also....

Reveille for Radicals....

Chapter 4 “The Program” literally says this:

“It is not a democratic program but a monumental testament to the lack of faith in the ability and intelligence of the masses of people to think their way through to the successful solution of their problems.”

He is explaining that the program for organizing people that you are creating is a dictatorship....very few people in charge running it...play on the people being dumb, etc....


15 posted on 01/25/2010 7:29:29 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Brugmansian

Thanks!

this should be an awesome project with folks like you and other FREEPers here to add so much...


16 posted on 01/25/2010 7:30:36 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Gvl_M3

thx..

you have been added...


17 posted on 01/25/2010 7:31:38 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: eeevil conservative

OMG...just wow.


18 posted on 01/25/2010 7:36:24 AM PST by ozark hilljilly (Persecute terrorists, not small business.)
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To: leftyontheright

bookmark


19 posted on 01/25/2010 8:12:05 AM PST by leftyontheright
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To: eeevil conservative
This is wonderful work. Thank you.

Please add me to your list.

Thanks,

TS

20 posted on 01/25/2010 8:17:05 AM PST by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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