Posted on 03/08/2010 6:26:35 AM PST by patlin
It became obvious records were created after the fact for Obama and were later changed. However, the computer access date is frozen on Sept. 9, 2008; two days after Obama appeared on Stephanopoulos’ show saying he registered with SS in 1979 when the requirement was nonexistent.
The mistakes made by adding to and changing the fraudulently created record after Coffman’s FOIA request was fulfilled but before the Allen’s was received, provides an audit trail of the fraud.
It would appear Flahavan, who processed both requests, should have caught the glaring incongruities. Instead, he got cocky in his letter to Allen by proclaiming, “Mr. Obama did indeed register with Selective Service …”
(Excerpt) Read more at sonorannews.com ...
“...in 1991, right before the selective service registration record was accessed or altered.” (June 25, 1991)
I have not seen what questions are asked on the Illinois State Bar application, but am curious about that.
The account is that he submitted his application in “early 1991” and “on December 17, 1991, Respondent was admitted to the practice of law in Illinois.”
Since Lolo had died, was this an automatic decree formally terminating that obligation as Lolo was dead. This is just common sense.
Sorry, no court has touched the issue because of standing or jurisdiction, not facts surrounding his birth. Another straw man argument. As for Hawaii, and their statements, I am well aware of their statements, their responses to Information requests including my own and I am aware of their laws concerning issuance of BC’s and how they could have been easily circumvented.
Why is Hawaii DOH hiding information if everything is on the up and up?
The name of the hospital and doctor is of great importance and could clear up a lot of things, however it is not in the public domain. It is not a requirement that he be born in a hospital but that information if available could be verified with the doctor or hospital, which it has not been. Another straw man argument by you.
As for me being “snippy”, why don’t you try presenting all the facts not just ones that tend to support your agenda? Investigators deal with facts, in their full context, not “snipped” like yours. I weigh the value of your posts and “evidence” with the accuracy they have shown to lack.
You don’t hold a press conference to correct how you were paraphrased by a newspaper reporter. If she’s comfortable with her direct quotes (that don’t say much of anything), then she wouldn’t be compelled to do anything at all.
Skip down a few paragraphs: “Still, she {Okubo} acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.” Okubo’s only measure of validity was that it looked ‘real’ because she said it looked like her own certificate. She didn’t cite an official procedure for ascertaining the legitimacy of the jpg she was sent. Try showing her a counterfeit $20 bill and see how she responds.
Janice Okubo has, herself, made 2 statements which confirm that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery. You keep saying that she’s confirmed the authenticity. The fact is exactly the opposite: she has indirectly confirmed that the COLB is a forgery - not having note of the amendment as required by law, and containing an impossible combination of “date filed” and certificate number.
Stop saying the lies over and over. You’ve been caught at it many times. Why do you persist in saying these things?
When asked point-blank whether she has a duty to inform the public of a forgery, she said the law doesn’t allow her to disclose ANYTHING that’s on a birth certificate - which in context has to mean that she says she CAN’T say that a BC is a forgery. That’s why the admission had to come through indirect means. And through indirect statements she has confirmed that Factcheck is a forgery.
I notice that Okubo had no qualms about slandering the people who had enough persistence and honesty to keep an open mind until she actually gave the answers which told the truth about Obama’s records.
One of the reasons the Hawaii Ombudsman’s Office refused to investigate what the DOH was doing was because it involved potential crimes such as libel, perjury, and forgery.
There you go again.
Why would Okubo or Fukino tap dance around this with super-secret coded quasi-admissions when (according to you) they have already lied directly to your face about it?
Remember, butter. In the real world, when somebody has not told you something, that doesn’t mean they’re secretly telling you what they didn’t tell you.
I’ve already explained why. This would be embarrassing to them. Once the fraud was perpetrated, they got stuck in the middle of it. They didn’t know he was going to print somebody else’s certificate number on the fraudcheck.org document and they assumed they could stay out of it by hiding behind part of the disclosure statute (while ignoring the other parts). In for penny, in for a pound (British reference intended).
If Spokesbabe Okubo was competent, she would have immediately explained that she had no business commenting on a jpg or comparing it to her own birth certificate (unless hers is fake too). Okubo's 'boss' didn't say anything about Obama being born in Hawaii until more than a year later ... and there's no 'confirmed' there unless the public gets a chance to see what documents allegedly confirm the place of birth.
No, but his handlers likely did. And while they might have been CIA, I very, very much doubt it. Soros, the Saudis, maybe even the KGB or it's Chinese or Cuban equivalent... but the CIA would not have been his thang.
He need not file charges to get a Warrant to examine the records. All that takes is "probable cause". Inconsistencies in the COLB are enough to create that probable cause. This would be leading up to a document fraud charge, but the document would come first, and then be evidence to the Grand Jury, as well a trial jury.
There is no deferment for filing. Only for being drafted, if there was a draft. Students would be allowed to finish the current sememster, seniors could finish the academic year. But you have to register, unless you are on active duty in the military, in the hospital, in a mental institution, or in prison. Even then, you must register when you get out, if you are not yet 26. Even if you are disabled, or would claim Conscientious Objector status if drafted, you still have to register. Even if you joined the military at 18, served 6 years, and then separated, you'd have to register, if you had not already done so. (However they won't punish you by taking away stuff like student loans if you served in the military).
Besides, he would have been 30 in 1991. Registration is required for 18 to 25 year olds.
...As a teenager, Obama went to parties and sometimes sought out gatherings on military bases or at the University of Hawaii that were mostly attended by blacks...
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2007Feb06/0,4675,ObamaHawaiianRoots,00.html
I suggest you read the decision and correct your statement.
I authorize the Illinois Board of Admissions to the Bar and/or any Character and Fitness Committee to obtain any information from my official record on file with the Selective Service System, and further authorize the Department of the Army, Navy or Air Force to furnish the Illinois Board of Admissions to the Bar and/or any Character and Fitness Committee the record of each period of my service therein and to furnish my service record for each period; and do hereby consent to and authorize the release of such information by the Selective Service System and the Department of the Army, Navy or Air Force.
https://www.ibaby.org/getpdfform.action?id=18
In other words, Obama’s records were accessed on June 25,1991 and it wasn't until just a few days shy of 6 months that he was actually accepted in to the IL BAR.
Is this typical for a so-called scholar? What is the typical time frame from taking the exam to being received as a member of the BAR?
Also parents birthplaces, occupations and ages For example, the mother of the Nordyke twins was born in Los Angeles, California and had no outside occupation. Their father was a doctor and was born in Woodland, California. Their mother was 34, their father 42.
Birthplaces at least give a starting point for citizenship, no?
Also, the races of the parents *are* on the short form. That's one of things people question, since BHO Sr. is listed as "African", which would be unusual nomenclature, especially in 1961, when one would expect "Negro, or Negroid". Perhaps more likely the latter, given that his mother is shown as "Caucasion" rather than "white".
Boers from southern Africa are "African" just as much as Luos from Kenya. If his father had been an Australian Aborigine we would not expect "Australian" would we?
I don't know if it passed but there was a Hawaiian House Resolution (#268 2009) wanting to put the Punahou Circle Apartments, where grandma Toot lived, which is the address on BHO's SS registration, on a national historic registry. In that resolution they say:
WHEREAS, Madelyn Dunham, grandmother of President Barack Obama, rented a tenth-floor unit in the Punahou Circle apartments for forty-one years; close to her apartment is Kapiolani Hospital, where President Obama was born;
FWIW, probably nothing. But eenteresting.
Honolulu, Hawaii is considered a birthplace and being born at 7:24 pm on August 4, 1961 documents age. The Constitution requires those two pieces of information that are found on a birth vital record in order to meet Article 2 Section 1 requirements. That information is on the short form as well as the original long form and the state of Hawaii has verified that information for Barack Hussein Obama II.
It was typical in 1961 and its still typical today for persons from sub-Saharan Africa to list their race by a geographic location(ethnicity or nationality) rather than a skin color. Today it is more likely that they would put “Nigerian” or “Kenyan” but Kenya did not become an independent nation until 1963 and it did not become a republic until 1964.
“Negro,” “African-American” or “Colored” can be offensive terms to persons from sub-Saharan Africa. They often prefer to differentiate themselves from black Americans.
The state of Hawaii has said that they put on their certificate whatever racial designation the parent lists.
Executive Order 11391
AMENDING THE SELECTIVE SERVICE REGULATIONS
By virtue of the authority vested in me by the Military Selective Service Act of 1967 (62 Stat. 604, as amended), I hereby prescribe the following amendments of the Selective Service Regulations prescribed by Executive Orders No. 10344 of April 17, 1952, No. 10594 of January 31, 1955, and No. 10837 of September 14, 1959, and constituting portions of Part 1655—Registration of United States Citizens Outside of the United States and Classification of Such Registrants, of Chapter XVI of Title 32 of the Code of Federal Regulations:
1. Subparagraph (4) of paragraph (b) of section 1655.6, Records to be completed by Local Board Receiving Registration Questionnaire—Foreign (SSS Form 50) and Assignment of Selective Service Number, is amended to read as follows:
‘(4) Mail the completed Registration Certificate (SSS Form 2) to the registrant at his present mailing address as given on line 5 of the Registration Questionnaire—Foreign (SSS Form 50) if such address is a military post office (APO or FPO), or Canada or Mexico; however, if such mailing address is outside the continental United States, the State of Alaska, the State of Hawaii, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, the Canal Zone, Canada, or Mexico, and a foreign mailing address is used, such form shall be mailed to the Director of Selective Service for transmittal to the registrant.’
2. Paragraph (c) of section 1655.10, Preparation for Classification, is amended to read as follows:
‘(c) If the registrant is outside the United States and is in a country other than Canada or Mexico and does not give a military post office (APO or FPO) as his address on line 5 of the Registration Questionnaire—Foreign (SSS Form 50), the Classification Questionnaire (SSS Form 100) shall be mailed by the local board to the Director of Selective Service for transmittal to the registrant, and, unless the local board grants an extension of time for its return, the registrant shall complete and return his Classification Questionnaire (SSS Form 100) through the Director of Selective Service within 60 days after the date the local board transmitted it to him.’
3. Paragraph (b) of section 1655.11, Classification, is amended to read as follows:
‘(b) The Notice of Classification (SSS Form 110) shall be mailed to the registrant at his present mailing address as given on line 5 of the Registration Questionnaire—Foreign (SSS Form 50) if such address is a military post office (APO or FPO), or Canada or Mexico; however, if such mailing address is outside the continental United States, the State of Alaska, the State of Hawaii, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and Canal Zone, Canada, or Mexico, and a foreign mailing address is used, such form shall be mailed to the Director of Selective Service for transmittal of the registrant.’
Lyndon B. Johnson
THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 24, 1968.
Exec. Order No. 11391, 33 FR 949, 1968 WL 8692 (Pres.)
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=60558
On October 28, 1968, appellant obtained SSS Form 50 so that he could request conscientious-objector status
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/464/464.F2d.1002.71-2750.html
Can any of you military personnel or family members shed some light on this for me?
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