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Do We Need — or Want — More Students in College?
Pajamas Media ^ | March 16, 2010 | George Leef

Posted on 03/16/2010 11:29:37 AM PDT by KippLanham

Americans have been so busy fighting against President Obama’s great, Red Army-type offensives on health care “reform,” the federalization of big chunks of the economy, and spending that will bury us under an avalanche of debt that his educational plans have drawn relatively little attention. Since higher education is my main policy domain, I have been watching that front.

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1 posted on 03/16/2010 11:29:37 AM PDT by KippLanham
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To: KippLanham

I wonder if the internet won’t render colleges and universities obsolete (at least in their present form).


2 posted on 03/16/2010 11:31:46 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself... - D.H. Lawrence)
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To: KippLanham
Honestly, I wish the country would spend a generation or two just holding off on "progress". Get more small farms and small businesses. Focus on economic self-sufficiency. Build a real education system, get people to respect honest work done with skilled hands.

Having 200 million people with Liberal Arts degrees who think that Karl Marx was the best president this country ever had, is really not going to help us.

3 posted on 03/16/2010 11:33:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We're all heading toward red revolution - we just disagree on which type of Red we want.)
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To: KippLanham

I’ve known people who had to go back for a second or even third college degree before finding one that actually helped them get a job. I think what we need is more students in trade schools or apprenticeship programs.


4 posted on 03/16/2010 11:42:54 AM PDT by Ellendra (Can't starve us out, and you can't make us run. . . -Hank Jr.)
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To: KippLanham

They hide out in college to learn how to avoid doing REAL work, where you get your hands dirty making/doing useful things.


5 posted on 03/16/2010 11:46:37 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: KippLanham

Certainly one of the boat anchors on a recovery is the individual debt loads on college loans. I’m not arguing either way on a college degree but:

Who would even think of starting a business with student loan payments hanging over their head?

How many first time home buyers are not in the market for a house because they have student loans hanging over their head.


6 posted on 03/16/2010 11:49:14 AM PDT by updatedscreenname
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To: updatedscreenname

There is a serious sense among college students that they are entitled to have great careers the minute that they graduate just because they put in time and took out hundreds of dollars in debt.

Try explaining to one of them what an “entry level position” is and watch them snicker and laugh.


7 posted on 03/16/2010 11:51:14 AM PDT by Ueriah
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To: KippLanham
The true purpose of today's college education is to bury dumb kids under a pile of student loans that they can never hope to pay off for a degree that qualifies them for a minimum-wage job.

Unless you are majoring in science or engineering. Only a small percentage of law students, for instance, ever actually practice law.

8 posted on 03/16/2010 11:51:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I like your thinking.


9 posted on 03/16/2010 11:59:11 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I wonder if the internet won’t render colleges and universities obsolete (at least in their present form).

The internet will burst the college bubble at some point. Employers could set up cubes with remote learning computers and hire student/employees that work 30 hours, study 30 hours/week, requiring a strict schedule. After 8 years they have a job, degree, and no student loan. The employers get employees that have well suited job skills and known work habits rather than druggies with degrees in liberal ideology.

10 posted on 03/16/2010 12:05:04 PM PDT by Reeses (All is vanity)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Having 200 million people with Liberal Arts degrees who think that Karl Marx was the best president this country ever had, is really not going to help us.

Possible post of the day!

11 posted on 03/16/2010 12:11:00 PM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: Reeses
Yep!

I had a buddy that studied engineering in college and, under a co-op program, worked every other semester at NASA. Not only did he have a great time and learned a tremendous amount (both academically and practically) but he paid his way through college.

Furthermore, the internet makes it possible to do what you were recommending instead of having to go back to campus.

And given that the pace of change is so much greater now, it will soon be necessary for education to extend over the entirety of one's life.

12 posted on 03/16/2010 12:17:32 PM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself... - D.H. Lawrence)
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To: KippLanham

if college is the answer, i would hate to know what the question was.


13 posted on 03/16/2010 12:24:41 PM PDT by genghis
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To: KippLanham

I’m a big proponent of higher education but, let’s be frank, not everyone is cut out for a college degree. In addition, with so many junk courses in college today (to keep bored professors busy), many degrees are simply pointless.

How many of us have ever consulted a Women’s Studies graduate? Or a Sex in American Society major?

Until colleges return to the serious business of preparing young men and women for careers in engineering, architecture, science, math, Humanities, etc., and abandon the junk studies courses, college degrees continue to be devalued. In addition, as standards are repeatedly lowered at all levels of the education profession, each degree conferred carries less meaning than those conferred 30 and 40 years ago.


14 posted on 03/16/2010 12:49:48 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: KippLanham

NO! We need people who can actually work! All this college edumacation is over-rated.


15 posted on 03/16/2010 1:32:37 PM PDT by vpintheak (How can love of God, Family and Country make me an extremist?)
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To: KippLanham

What is the purpose of a college education? If it is to prepare someone for a job, there may be some use for them; however, the majority of majors and minors will not prepare anyone for a job other than something to do with teaching in college. If the purpose of a college education is to teach people to think critically, the universities have been a total failure. The university does not teach or encourage critical thinking. It is more about teaching sensitivity training and political correctness than critical thinking. Unless someone is going to study engineering, medicine, law, or scientific research, it would be better for him to attend a vocational school and learn a trade.


16 posted on 03/16/2010 1:37:53 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I wonder if the internet won’t render colleges and universities obsolete (at least in their present form).

Possibly. The cost structure of colleges & universities has gotten way out of line. As Al Gore would say, "it's not sustainable."

17 posted on 03/16/2010 2:00:00 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Unless you are majoring in science or engineering. Only a small percentage of law students, for instance, ever actually practice law.

How about accounting? I keep seeing that degree in the requirements for the jobs I've been looking at.
18 posted on 03/17/2010 12:18:52 PM PDT by Ellendra (Can't starve us out, and you can't make us run. . . -Hank Jr.)
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To: Ellendra
How about accounting? I keep seeing that degree in the requirements for the jobs I've been looking at.

My point mainly was to not go into debt for a degree.

One of the smartest, best engineers I know started off with an Associates degree in physics from a community college. He got straight As there, of course, and when he got to the school of mines he was light-years ahead of the other undergraduates.

There is nothing special about an accounting degree. It doesn't matter that much where you get it. If you're going to get one, you should look into the requirements for a CPA certificate in your state. They may just require a bachelor in accounting with a minimum number of accounting hours, in which case you should go for it. A CPA certificate is as good as an MBA once you are in a field, possibly even better.

19 posted on 03/17/2010 12:25:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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