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What to say when, "What do you think about Obamacare?" is asked
3-22-10 | RandallFlagg

Posted on 03/22/2010 12:10:52 PM PDT by RandallFlagg

Last week, someone at work asked me about the Obamacare thing. I explained to him that it's a massive tax increase of at least $12,000 per family. He looked like I'd hit him in the gut.

He told someone else, and the reaction was about the same.

We need to put this thing into quick words for everyone to understand. There's still a lot of people who have no clue about it all. Something like what I's used:

"Can you afford a thousand bucks a month to pay for this?"


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: obamacare; socialisthealthcare
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Anyone else have ideas, please put 'em here.

Short, sweet, factual, and to the point.

1 posted on 03/22/2010 12:10:52 PM PDT by RandallFlagg
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To: RandallFlagg

“I’ve heard a lot of doctors are planning to quit because of the rules and regulations in this bill. I bet it’s going to take forever to get an appointment now.”


2 posted on 03/22/2010 12:13:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I do not want the Union to be maintained. I want the US to break up. I support secession.)
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To: RandallFlagg

I’m thinking of responding by telling them that anyone in favor of it doesn’t deserve the freedom and liberty the Constitution provided for them.


3 posted on 03/22/2010 12:14:55 PM PDT by OB1kNOb ( I WILL NOT COMPLY !)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I know of several businesses that are going to have to close because they can’t afford to have health care on their employees.


4 posted on 03/22/2010 12:14:55 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: RandallFlagg

It is a MASSIVE powergrab from the states, just as Roe v. Wade was.


5 posted on 03/22/2010 12:15:17 PM PDT by Cheesel (The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals.)
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To: RandallFlagg

“I hope my doctor isn’t one of the ones who quits.”


6 posted on 03/22/2010 12:15:28 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: OB1kNOb

You assume that your audience knows what liberty is. They don’t.


7 posted on 03/22/2010 12:16:13 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: RandallFlagg

It is a MASSIVE powergrab from the states, just as Roe v. Wade was.


8 posted on 03/22/2010 12:16:19 PM PDT by Cheesel (So this how democracy dies...with thunderous applause, March 21, 2010)
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To: RandallFlagg

does yer pocket calculator even go to 1,000,000,000,000 ???


9 posted on 03/22/2010 12:16:22 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: RandallFlagg

“I heard about a woman who moved into a new house and Medicare used that as an excuse to re-evaluate (and then cancel) her coverage — and she was in the middle of cancer treatments! Boy, it’s like the DMV is running health care now. They don’t care if they screw you over! They’ve got 300 million other customers, so why should they care about you?”


10 posted on 03/22/2010 12:16:42 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I do not want the Union to be maintained. I want the US to break up. I support secession.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Unhappily, not enough people are concerned with the actual concept of individual liberty, so anything else that impacts their paycheck will have to do.


11 posted on 03/22/2010 12:16:51 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: RandallFlagg

How about: “Let’s talk about it in FOUR years, when the program begins.”

“You mean I don’t get my free health care now?”

“No, dumbass. And be sure to purchase a health care policy by 2014 so that you don’t get fined or go to jail.”

“You mean I won’t get free health care ever?”

“No, dumbass.”


12 posted on 03/22/2010 12:16:57 PM PDT by kevao
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To: RandallFlagg

17,000 new IRS thugs.


13 posted on 03/22/2010 12:17:17 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: RandallFlagg

Everyone complains about crooked politicians yet they were just given control of our health.


14 posted on 03/22/2010 12:17:55 PM PDT by Sea2ShiningSea
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To: RandallFlagg

The IRS will be the new health care insurance enforcers. They will be hiring 15,000+ new IRS agents.


15 posted on 03/22/2010 12:17:59 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction (LOLcat sez: "ObamaCare: Do Not Want!")
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To: RandallFlagg

Luke 23:34

“Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.”


16 posted on 03/22/2010 12:18:07 PM PDT by BuckyKat
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To: RandallFlagg

I believe it was another FReeper who came up with this, but I’m about to post this on my Facebook page and see what happens to my useful idiot liberal friends.

There are now two types of people in the world: those who want to be coddled and those that want to be left alone. Which one are you?


17 posted on 03/22/2010 12:18:32 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (<----Click over there for a special message from GOP_Raider)
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To: RandallFlagg

I’ll use it if I/you/we/they can back up that thousand dollar a month figure .... I hate it when the Lib media shakes the magic eight-ball and come up with a number .....


18 posted on 03/22/2010 12:18:44 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Chaguito; OB1kNOb

I was about to reply with something similar. About half of the guys there voted for Obama, and are getting quite embarassed about it now.
They aren’t into politics at all.
So, I put it in words that they COULD understand.

And, they did.


19 posted on 03/22/2010 12:19:05 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: kevao

Another answer to the “I don’t get it now” question is to say, “No, only the tax increases start now. The coverage may never start as they are still changing it.”


20 posted on 03/22/2010 12:19:49 PM PDT by Ingtar (Congress: proof that Entropy trumps Evolution)
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To: RandallFlagg

Pay more, get less.

And get in line for whatever crumbs the government lets fall from their table.


21 posted on 03/22/2010 12:19:57 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave.)
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To: RandallFlagg

This is the email I got this morning from a “friend:”

“I won’t even start on how important the passage of the health care reform bill feels to me, or I’d go on for pages. All I can say is that it was the right thing, the moral thing to do, especially for the hard-working poor, the disadvantaged, and the forgotten. Hallelujah!”

I have not replied yet.


22 posted on 03/22/2010 12:20:33 PM PDT by SamiGirl
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To: RandallFlagg

‘Can you say institutionalized theft?’


23 posted on 03/22/2010 12:21:12 PM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think. " Adolph Hitler)
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To: RandallFlagg

This is a great question to post. There is no use arguing states’ rights, liberty, constitutionality, etc. IMO. The POCKETBOOK and the waiting room, the doctors who are going to quit (doubtful utility, IMO).

People understand the pocketbook.

“More communications in the mail from the IRS, if you make a mistake on your reporting of insurance.”

“More complicated tax forms.”

“$12,000 to $14,000 more a year in taxes. It’s government health care, do you think it will be the lower amount of new taxes?”


24 posted on 03/22/2010 12:21:29 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Haiku Guy

I think I’ll use the thousand dollars a month line. Very effective.


25 posted on 03/22/2010 12:21:55 PM PDT by BenKenobi ("we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be")
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To: skr
Unhappily, not enough people are concerned with the actual concept of individual liberty, so anything else that impacts their paycheck will have to do.

But that's not all you can use.
Do they like to ride motorcycles? Skydive? Ski? Hunt?
If the government health agencies deem those activities too dangerous, they get to either ban the activity, or raise your taxes to pay for it.
26 posted on 03/22/2010 12:23:45 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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Awesome, higher taxes AND higher premiums. My canadian freinds always tell me about their FREE health care...I ask them...”Do you have a job? When they answer in the affirmative, I say then it aint free...and you are not only paying for your own healthcare, you are paying the health care bill for each person not working.


27 posted on 03/22/2010 12:25:01 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: RandallFlagg

When Medicare passed in 1965, they said it would only cost $12 billion by 1990. The actual price tag in 1990 was $107 billion - nine times more. What makes you think this will be any different? When has the government EVER not spent multiple times more than planned?


28 posted on 03/22/2010 12:25:52 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Sea2ShiningSea
Everyone complains about crooked politicians yet they were just given control of our health.

That's a good one!
29 posted on 03/22/2010 12:26:07 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

That’s probably over a billion dollars a year just for that part of enforcement.


30 posted on 03/22/2010 12:26:57 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: SamiGirl
Wow...a liberal citing morality (just like that dimwit Kennedy did yesterday, BTW)! That's like a wh**e preaching the virtues of monogamy, or a crackhead singing the praises of sobriety.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

31 posted on 03/22/2010 12:27:19 PM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: SkyDancer
I’ll use it if I/you/we/they can back up that thousand dollar a month figure .... I hate it when the Lib media shakes the magic eight-ball and come up with a number .....

I got that $12,000 per year number from Rush's show last week.
32 posted on 03/22/2010 12:27:25 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: RandallFlagg

Rep Tim Johnson does a good job explaining his oppposition to this monstrosity.

Key points include:

· $569.2 billion in tax increases

· $523.5 billion in Medicare cuts

· $48 billion more for Medicaid Expansion

first time in history applies Medicare taxes to capital gains, dividends and other investment income.

The cuts in senior health care are among the most distressing

http://news.mywebpal.com/news_tool_v2.cfm?show=localnews&pnpID=469&NewsID=976824&CategoryID=20359&on=1


33 posted on 03/22/2010 12:27:32 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: nina0113

Good one. My father is already worried that his main doctor will quit and that it will be difficult to find another.

The answer should be adaptable to the listener. Premiums and taxes up immediately, “benefits” on delayed timetable; taxes on what doctors use to treat us, larger doctor bills; cuts in government payments to doctors, fewer doctors but many, many more patients.

And I don’t think people will stop going to the ER because they can’t get an appointment for a minor problem. We could stay where we’re at and probably save money in comparison!


34 posted on 03/22/2010 12:27:50 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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“I won’t even start on how important the passage of the health care reform bill feels to me, or I’d go on for pages. All I can say is that it was the right thing, the moral thing to do, especially for the hard-working poor, the disadvantaged, and the forgotten. Hallelujah!” I have not replied yet.

My reply would be: I'm glad it's going to be so good for the poor, because there are going to be a WHOLE LOT MORE of them around when this thing bankrupts the country.

(See my earlier post on Medicare costs - also use Massachusetts, TennCare, and Keiki Care as examples. You may want to use the quote "Those that can not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.")

35 posted on 03/22/2010 12:29:47 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: SamiGirl

I’m guessing that you’ll get a lot of ideas on this thread.


36 posted on 03/22/2010 12:30:07 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“They’ve got 300 million other customers, so why should they care about you?”

And they’re not interested in customer satisfaction or even making a profit...


37 posted on 03/22/2010 12:31:17 PM PDT by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: SamiGirl

If it were just about “health care for the poor”, they wouldn’t need a 2,000+ page bill for that. They could do it in 10 pages or less.


38 posted on 03/22/2010 12:32:13 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction (LOLcat sez: "ObamaCare: Do Not Want!")
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To: eleni121
first time in history applies Medicare taxes to capital gains, dividends and other investment income.

There's another way to phrase this one:

"Your 401K was tax free, but it'll now be taxed to pay for Obamacare."
39 posted on 03/22/2010 12:33:42 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: RandallFlagg

I wonder how he came up with that number - or where he got it. I try to back up what I say and I can’t point back to “well someone said ....” also when would that $1,000 a month kick in?


40 posted on 03/22/2010 12:34:02 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: SkyDancer

I think he got it from an article or report. I’ll look in his, “Stack.”


41 posted on 03/22/2010 12:36:46 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: RandallFlagg

It’s treason.


42 posted on 03/22/2010 12:37:38 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: RandallFlagg
Tell them to call their Primary Care Physician and ask how much longer they are going to hang out a shingle.

I heard one doctor say that Primary Care will be handled by Nurse Practitioners and Nurses. What doctors left are going to be in specialties that actually pay the rent (Government approved treatments).

Increased premiums, fines, and possibly jail if you don't buy (invest) in an approved policy.

Net decrease in doctors will not be offset by increase in IRS agents.

Hospitals will no longer invest in latest advances, which will no longer be done because companies won't be able to recover their investments.

Preexisting conditions will force some insurance companies out of business.

Long Term Care and assisted living are in jeopardy.

Decrease in average age...

43 posted on 03/22/2010 12:38:52 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: RandallFlagg

Much appreciated. I have several friends who are super liberal (whatdya expect living here in Washington LOL)... I’d love to ask them that question and see their reaction.


44 posted on 03/22/2010 12:39:45 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: RandallFlagg

Per year right? We need to make that plain too.


45 posted on 03/22/2010 12:40:06 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: SkyDancer

Here’s that part of Rush’s transcript:

“Before the recession, Washington spent $24,000 a year per US household. Obama would hike it to $36,000 by 2020 — an inflation-adjusted $12,000-per-household expansion of government. (And does anyone think they’re getting their money’s worth?).” Add that to the $75,000 share of our debt that every household has. “If spending jumps $12,000 per household, taxes must eventually rise. The president would make a large down-payment on that with a $2 trillion tax hike on all Americans.” This is the fourth source now that says every American gets a tax increase. Reuters, Investor’s Business Daily, the New York Post, and the Wall Street Journal. And whoever looks at this honestly will conclude the same thing.”


46 posted on 03/22/2010 12:45:23 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: tiki

Yep. A thousand more per month.


47 posted on 03/22/2010 12:46:15 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: GOP_Raider
those who want to be coddled and those that want to be left alone

And those who want to be left alone with your money.

48 posted on 03/22/2010 12:49:38 PM PDT by kevao
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To: RandallFlagg
I'll say what I've been saying all day:

The Republic is dead.
Long live The Two State Solution.
49 posted on 03/22/2010 12:53:21 PM PDT by ct_libertarian (Movie with a story or another Hollywood Marxist sermon? Find out at http://www.HollywoodSTFU.com)
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To: RandallFlagg

Those figures are virtual figures in that people don’t feel the immediate impact on their personal finances. What you need is somewhere where Obama or his admin. state that you will be taxed an additional $1,000 per month out of your paycheck, IOW, your Medicare deduction or SSA deduction will increase by $250 per weekly paycheck (or however you’re paid). They have to see it really coming out of their pay.


50 posted on 03/22/2010 12:54:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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