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A Proposal for Peaceful Separation
View from The Right ^ | April 7, 2010 | Jeffersonian

Posted on 04/08/2010 10:38:04 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot

A proposal to divide the United States into two countries

I post this article with a sense of ambivalence, since, notwithstanding the author's boldness and originality of thought, his proposal presents grave practical difficulties which in my view he deals with only superficially. However, as I myself have said, with the passage of the health care bill America has now become in effect two mutually irreconcilable peoples (they want to impose unlimited state power on us, which we don't want to be imposed), and the only two logical resolutions to the conflict are that one side crush and dominate the other, or that the two sides go their separate ways. There is no escape from thinking our way through the current crisis, and we have to start somewhere. Jeffersonian's article is a useful contribution to that effort. (Readers' comments on the article begin here.)

THE REDS AND THE BLUES: TIME FOR A DIVORCE? By Jeffersonian

In the aftermath of the presidential election of 2000, a newspaper published a map of the United States in which the counties that had voted for George W. Bush were colored red, and those that had voted for Al Gore were colored blue. The result was striking: The blue counties made up only a small fraction of the area of the United States, but included roughly half of the total population. Outside the Northeast, the map consisted mostly of a large expanse of red, interrupted by geographically small, but densely populated, urban areas. (Note that even though the original map showed the country divided into counties, it has given rise to the terms "red states" and "blue states." Note also, that the term "Red" in this context has no implication of Communist sympathies. )

In recent weeks there has been a furor over the health care bill. This is partly because its opponents feel that it is an extremely bad bill: one which will not improve their health care, but instead add enormously to the public debt. Even more disturbing than the contents of the bill, however, is the fact that it was passed despite the clear opposition of the American public. Every national poll for months had shown that a significant majority of the public did not like this bill; and in the weeks preceding the vote, Congress had been besieged by letters, emails, faxes, and telephone calls from constituents, with the great majority opposing the bill. Those who urged congressmen to vote for the bill did not pretend that the majority of the public was on their side; rather, they urged congressmen to be "courageous" and ignore public opinion.

They claimed (correctly) that doing so did not violate the Constitution. However, it did violate our traditions on the relation of the government to the governed. This is the first time in American history that a major bill has been forced through over the clear opposition of the public. Even if the law itself is beneficial, the manner of its passage was semi-tyrannical, and the social fabric has been badly torn.


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To: Neoliberalnot

Judge Napolitano answered what needs to be done last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b3Q89FZoY0


21 posted on 04/08/2010 11:11:27 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Isabel C.

You know what I was talking about.


22 posted on 04/08/2010 11:15:13 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Neoliberalnot

Watching a major party (now in power) openly cheering our soldiers’ deaths in Iraq was enough for me to support separation. How to do it should be an ongoing conversation. We don’t share the same basic values as those people.


23 posted on 04/08/2010 11:15:32 AM PDT by ccruse456
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To: ANGGAPO

Didn’t we try something like this in 1862, and we all know how this turned out.””

This is exactly the hope of all tyrannists—it can never happen here because it failed once. The Revolutionary War Soldiers tried it too.


24 posted on 04/08/2010 11:46:43 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Jeff Head

There will be no return to the Constitution. It has been perverted and mangled and used against a free people to put us in the chains which now strangle us.


25 posted on 04/08/2010 11:48:08 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Gaffer

WE are the slaves of honesty and an ethic for hard work and freedom of the most basic sort.””


26 posted on 04/08/2010 11:49:25 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: JimRed

<50,000.


27 posted on 04/08/2010 11:51:29 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Tzimisce

They desire controlling us far more than our wealth. I don’t think they even realize who’s paying the bills.


28 posted on 04/08/2010 11:52:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: ccruse456

“Any elected or appointed public official in any branch of the Federal government who is found guilty of official conduct contrary to the Constitution shall be guilty of treason.”

And the new last amendment: “The sole punishment for treason is public hanging.”

Now I know this seems harsh at first blush. But it’s critical that we deter the kind of inexcusable behavior that got us into our current mess in the first place. And it sort of puts some teeth behind the oath of office to obey the Constitution, which many current politicians tell us is only “ceremonial” to them. Well, to them I say a hanging is kind of a ceremony too. I just have come to believe in my advancing age that an ounce or two of ‘strong correction’ is both more effective and a lot more humane in the long run than a ton of half-measures. Anyway, that philosophy sure works for training a stubborn dog to heel, so it should work for any politician looking to feed at the public trough and hold office forever while running roughshod over our most sacred governing document. I’m certain we wouldn’t have to stretch too much rope in order to get the point across. And I am convinced it would strongly dissuade those interested only in feathering their nests by seeking public office and would sufficiently motivate any who do attain office to carefully read all of the bills they want to pass for any potential “irregularities” regarding the Constitution… We’d get some public servants stepping forward instead of public savagers and scavengers.


29 posted on 04/08/2010 12:01:10 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Jeff Head

“Any elected or appointed public official in any branch of the Federal government who is found guilty of official conduct contrary to the Constitution shall be guilty of treason.”

And the new last amendment: “The sole punishment for treason is public hanging.”

Now I know this seems harsh at first blush. But it’s critical that we deter the kind of inexcusable behavior that got us into our current mess in the first place. And it sort of puts some teeth behind the oath of office to obey the Constitution, which many current politicians tell us is only “ceremonial” to them. Well, to them I say a hanging is kind of a ceremony too. I just have come to believe in my advancing age that an ounce or two of ‘strong correction’ is both more effective and a lot more humane in the long run than a ton of half-measures. Anyway, that philosophy sure works for training a stubborn dog to heel, so it should work for any politician looking to feed at the public trough and hold office forever while running roughshod over our most sacred governing document. I’m certain we wouldn’t have to stretch too much rope in order to get the point across. And I am convinced it would strongly dissuade those interested only in feathering their nests by seeking public office and would sufficiently motivate any who do attain office to carefully read all of the bills they want to pass for any potential “irregularities” regarding the Constitution… We’d get some public servants stepping forward instead of public savagers and scavengers.


30 posted on 04/08/2010 12:01:54 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: ccruse456

Who elected the Democrats/Communists? We the People. We fell for their slick talk and for the most part they have kept their liberal ideas turned down low. Look at Clinton—he reformed welfare and Balanced the budget (He didn’t need to but he did) Only this time the inexperienced Obama is showing his leftist leanings and jamming it down the throats of the people. He’s a figurehead for George Soros—who needs to be deported to Russia. We have the power of the majority on our side. We must block their slick political moves with the truth. Would that we had a Reagan to remind the sheeple that they have been betrayed—We have Sarah Palin—but with her honesty and simple talk she can un-mask the left. She is doing the Lords Work at this time of travail. She isn’t perfect—so too was Reagan, but, she’s the best we have now. Lets hope someone comes forth to lead the movement. I trust to a divine providence that person will come forth.


31 posted on 04/08/2010 12:50:35 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Noumenon

Here’s your proposal: starve the monkeys. War with monkey collectivists is inevitable, as they will come for what we have when we deny it to them.””

Starve the Monkeys site is a good one. Thanks for spreading the info source.


32 posted on 04/08/2010 1:53:30 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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