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Clinton's Waco Actions Render Claims of OKC Bombing Cover Up More Believable Than Ever
Bob McCarty Writes ^ | 4-20-10 | Bob McCarty

Posted on 04/20/2010 1:29:06 PM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites

If President Bill Clinton was responsible for the deaths at Waco, then claims about his involvement in an Oklahoma City Bombing cover up become more plausible.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: billclinton; branchdavidians; clinton; democratcorruption; democrats; hillary; iraq; janetreno; liberalfascism; oklahomacity; reno; terrorism; waco
If President Bill Clinton was the man in charge of the federal government's bungling of the standoff at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco 16 years ago, then claims about his involvement in a cover up of the Oklahoma City Bombing become more plausible.

This video shows former Clinton advisor Dick Morris sharing details with Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity of a deal made between President Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno related to the tragedy in Waco. In short, according to Morris, Reno threatened Clinton by saying she would tell the world how he was in charge of the mishandling of events which resulted in the deaths of 82 Branch Davidians -- including 20 children -- and four federal agents at the Texas prairie compound of David Koresh and his followers.

The statements by Morris come seven months after I published four posts based on exclusive interviews with two people who suspect President Clinton engaged in a cover up of details about who, in addition to Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, was responsible for the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City two years to the day after the Waco siege began.

One of the people with whom I spoke was David P. Schippers, a man who served as chief investigative counsel during the Clinton Impeachment Hearings in the U.S. House of Representatives and in similar proceedings in the Senate. Below is an excerpt from the Sept. 30 post in which I recounted my interview with the Chicago-based attorney:

I began the interview by asking Schippers why no one had pursued Hussain Al-Hussaini, the Iraqi native Davis identified in her book as the third terrorist who, along with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, carried out the attack?

“My honest opinion is that the original shot was made by (President Bill) Clinton in 1995,” he explained. “Remember, it was 1995, and he had lost the congress — both houses of Congress — and people were saying he would never get reelected, and his numbers were way the hell down.

“If he had had another attack against the United States, he would have had to act, and he didn’t do a damn thing on the first Twin Towers bombing,” he continued. “Clinton said, ‘Let’s not overreact,’ and, at that time, we had the Department of Justice with (Janet) Reno in there who was completely politicized, and I think (Clinton) just decided we’re not going to do it.”

Schippers continued, “riding” a bipartisan train of thought.

“Now, why didn’t the (President George W.) Bush people do it?” he asked rhetorically. “That’s the one that really bothered me. We deliberately waited until Reno and that gang got out of the administration and then Bush came in.”

Unfortunately, no one ever bit on the information Schippers said a president could have used as a legitimate reason to invade Iraq, and he blames it on a pact between the Bushes and Clintons — something akin to the mutually-assured destruction mindset that prevailed during the Cold War between Russia and the United States.

The other person I interviewed was Jayna Davis, award-winning investigative reporter and author of The New York Times Best Seller about the OKC Bombing, “The Third Terrorist”. In three posts published Sept. 28, I share details of the interview during which she broke her four-year silence with the media and spoke to me about the OKC Bombing video tapes the FBI refuses to release -- most likely, because they will reveal that officials at the highest levels of government knew more than they let on.

File this under "Once Bitten, Twice Shy".

1 posted on 04/20/2010 1:29:07 PM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

Something wasn’t right about what happend in Oklahoma City and the aftermath. Why was it so important to destroy the building so fast before the investigation was complete? So many questiuons that have no believable answer!


2 posted on 04/20/2010 1:32:50 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

This all happened before I began paying attention to anything political. Is there also a “truther” group on OKC and Waco? And how would a “truther” group on those events differ, politically, from the 9/11 truthers of today?


3 posted on 04/20/2010 1:35:02 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: chris_bdba

Definitely something odd happened there. Just the fact that it happened despite the fact that McVeigh couldn’t turn around without bumping into a fed or someone in contact with the feds makes me suspect a major screw up at the least.


4 posted on 04/20/2010 1:35:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

The Greatest Mystery about WACO — 3 or 4 Slain ATF Agents were Clinton Body Guards
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2464640/posts?page=88#88
[Clinton said so himself in the Cash Room Speech]


5 posted on 04/20/2010 1:36:40 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

The Third Terrorist.....A Very Good Book!


6 posted on 04/20/2010 1:37:27 PM PDT by FlashBack ('0'bama: "Katrina on a Global Level")
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

I think it’s pretty clear there was a coverup of Okc bombing. But i think it’s a federal “cop level” thing, happily supported by the Clintons.

There were guys seen with bomb sniffing dogs earlier that morning outside around the Murrah building. NO ATF was inside,, etc.

I think they knew a “bombing” was planned, and were really prepared for a pipe bomb, etc,,. They got caught flat footed by a mid-east style monster size truck bomb. We would have all been better had they just told us that,, instead, they stonewall and never admit a mistake.

And i think it’s interesting that Nichols spent a LOT of time on the specific island in the Philippines, at the specific university environment where that islamic Bojinka plot to blow up 10 airliners came from.

They clearly havent told us the truth. Clintin was too happy to blame the NRA and Rush Limbaugh.


7 posted on 04/20/2010 1:37:45 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Kimberly GG

This forum is founded on Truth about Waco and other Clinton crimes. That’s our beginning. We’ved covered it inside and out. You’ll find few in Talk Radio who could disagree with us about it. Now the revelation by Dick Morris and Rush firing a shot across Clinton’s bow — it’s all resurfacing.


8 posted on 04/20/2010 1:39:06 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Guess I’ve got a lot of catching up to do ;)


9 posted on 04/20/2010 1:40:19 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: Kimberly GG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOBIUGBTB9w


10 posted on 04/20/2010 1:41:31 PM PDT by TigerBait
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To: Kimberly GG

There are a ton of threads here on FR...search OKC Bombing and tags such as that...amazing stuff.


11 posted on 04/20/2010 1:41:47 PM PDT by FlashBack ('0'bama: "Katrina on a Global Level")
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To: TigerBait; FlashBack

Thank you both!


12 posted on 04/20/2010 1:43:49 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: chris_bdba
I agree with you...and will always believe that it was "Terrorist" instigated at the least...

McVeigh was bought and paid for...and that's why he was quickly "offed"...dead men tell no tales...

13 posted on 04/20/2010 1:44:18 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites
A most interesting passage from Clinton terror-czar Richard Clarke's "Against All Enemies":

"Another Conspiracy Theory intrigued me because I could never disprove it. The theory seemed unlikely on its face: Ramzi Yousef or Khalid Sheik Muhammad had taught Terry Nichols how to blow up the Oklahoma Federal Building. The problem was that, upon investigation, we established that both Ramzi Yousef and Nichols had been in the city of Cebu on the same days. I had been to Cebu years earlier; it is on an island in the central Philippines. It was a town in which word could have spread that a local girl was bringing her American boy friend home and that the American hated the U.S. government.

"Yousef and Khalid Sheik Muhammad had gone there to help create an al Qaeda spinoff, a Philippine affiliate chapter, named after a hero of the Afghan war against the Soviets, Abu Sayaff. Could the al Qaeda explosives expert have been introduced to the angry American who proclaimed his hatred for the U.S. Government? We do not know, despite some FBI investigation. We do know that Nichols's bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned. We also know that Nichols continued to call Cebu long after his wife returned to the United States. The final coincidence is that several al Qaeda operatives had attended a radical Islamic conference a few years earliler in, of all places, Oklahoma City."

("Against All Enemies", p. 127)

14 posted on 04/20/2010 1:46:44 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Kimberly GG
Guess I’ve got a lot of catching up to do ;)

It's all chronicled right here. Gonna take you awhile!

15 posted on 04/20/2010 1:48:03 PM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites
If President Bill Clinton was the man in charge of the federal government's bungling of the standoff at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco 16 years ago, then claims about his involvement in a cover up of the Oklahoma City Bombing become more plausible.

Of course they do!

Some of us never doubted that for a minute!

16 posted on 04/20/2010 1:51:28 PM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Sacajaweau

I’ve heard that McVeigh was just a fall guy of sorts and that he was not the real bomber of the building. And that he’s not really dead. I don’t know what to believe regarding that, but it kind of sounds like the truthers version of 9/11.


17 posted on 04/20/2010 1:51:50 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: DesertRhino

That’s kinda how I look at it. They knew something was going down and they screwed up.

Lots of interesting terrorist ties to Oklahoma City as well. Like the fact that Zachariahs Mussoui used Nick Berg’s computer while they both happened to be in town at the same time prior to 9/11.


18 posted on 04/20/2010 1:54:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

The Buck Stops with Reno.


19 posted on 04/20/2010 1:54:55 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: Kimberly GG; ovrtaxt; Politicalmom

No problem KGG...I think Ovrtaxt and Politicalmom had some posts/threads about Oklahoma happenings awhile back.


20 posted on 04/20/2010 1:56:00 PM PDT by FlashBack ('0'bama: "Katrina on a Global Level")
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To: Kimberly GG; Alamo-Girl

To truly understand the “truther” side of the FR, Alamo-girl has filed it all scrupulously.

http://www.alamo-girl.com

One under-reported outrage was the strange death of Betty Currie’s brother:

http://www.alamo-girl.com/0463.htm

Theodore Williams, Betty Currie’s brother, Beaten before Betty’s Senate testimony then Car/Pedestrian Accident during Monica story(Key Witness’ brother)

A good key word is “Oregonian”, a paper that reported on his beating. Here’s one page that sums it up about right:

http://www.newsfollowup.com/bushfortune.htm

Betty Currie The night before White House secretary, Betty Currie, was to testify before the Campaign Finance hearing, her brother, Theodore Williams, Jr., was severely beaten and hospitalized (see Oregonian January 29, 1998 Page A9). Then within one month of her testifying in the Lewinsky Grand Jury her sister was killed in a car “accident” in December 1997.

Then there’s the weird car accident ...

Death of brother of Clinton’s personal secretary, Betty Currie, ruled accidental.

Jet | March 9, 1998 |

Virginia State Police recently concluded that the brother of President Clinton’s personal secretary, Betty Currie, did not intend to commit suicide when he ran onto an interstate after a traffic accident and was struck and killed by an oncoming tractor-trailer.

Police say there is no explanation why Theodore R. Williams Jr. of Fort Washington, MD, darted from the highway shoulder after talking to a trooper who was investigating the accident with another truck. Williams had escaped the crash without injury.

A spokeswoman, Mary S. Evans, for state police told … [snip]

COPYRIGHT 1998 Johnson Publishing Co.
COPYRIGHT 2008 Gale, Cengage Learning


21 posted on 04/20/2010 1:56:02 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Urg ... did I write “sister”? Brother. This sounds about right...

Currie had lost a brother in a bizarre car accident that left even local investigators puzzled. Theodore Williams had survived the initial crash, only to dart back onto a Virginia highway on foot — into the path of an =
18 wheeler (The Richmond Times Dispatch, 12/17/97).


22 posted on 04/20/2010 2:05:49 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Apologies ... sanding off the rust of my memory here ...

http://www.alamo-girl.com/0371.htm

Dec 15 Clinton gets request from Jones team for Lewinski related documents; Currie’s brother killed in auto accident.

Richmond Times Dispatch 12/17/97 “A New York motorist survived a plunge down an embankment after his vehicle hit a truck on Interstate 95 in Hanover County on Monday, but he was killed when he was struck by another truck after he climbed the embankment. Theodore R. Williams, 52, of Fort Washington was traveling south about 11 a.m. when his vehicle hit a truck and plunged down the embankment just south of state Route 674, state police said. After the crash, Williams climbed up the embankment and stepped onto the roadway where he was hit by the second truck.”


23 posted on 04/20/2010 2:09:27 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Ramzi Yousef or Khalid Sheik Muhammad had taught Terry Nichols how to blow up the Oklahoma Federal Building.

It goes even deeper than just McVeigh and Yousef, from my files:

Ramzi Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols crossed paths (OKC) in the Phillipines. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (9/11) was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given monthly salary and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.

Other links

24 posted on 04/20/2010 2:13:33 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: steelyourfaith

“The Buck Stops with Reno.” But three bullets stopped in former Clinton body guards. Strange world, huh?


25 posted on 04/20/2010 2:19:00 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Kimberly GG

No worries, FRiend. According to Thomas Sowell, no one can know 1% of everything anymore. We’ll continue to find our increasingly naarrow niches based on personal backgrounds, interests, available time, etc.

One thing to bear in mind is that no matter how shocking someone sounds, if that person has been around a while [like Rush, Hannity, Coulter, or Levin] it would be wrong to discount what that person says without a little counter-research at least.


26 posted on 04/20/2010 2:28:57 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Kimberly GG

I myself have never done much research about the OKC bombing. I was sceptical in the beginning, so I’m way behind the curve on the bombing theories myself.

My mouth has dropped a few times listening to a particular lady, former member of some major news broadcast. But time is limited. I could talk a person’s ear off about the Ron Brown Crash though.

— FRegards ....


27 posted on 04/20/2010 2:31:50 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

May I suggest “The Third terrorist,” by Investigative reporter Jayna Davis, that suggests a Middle-Eastern element in the OKC bombing. She alledges that an Iraqi was an advisor to mcVeigh and his group, because, without assistance, they weren’t all that swift.


28 posted on 04/20/2010 2:37:22 PM PDT by JayVee (Joseph)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I’m glad to see the DSL is being helpful to you!


29 posted on 04/20/2010 2:40:12 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
General Partin's analysis
30 posted on 04/20/2010 2:43:39 PM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Bigun

Ah yes ... the preset charges theory. Now here’s something else that’s interesting:

http://www.akdart.com/okc.html

Attorney: Oklahoma City bombing tapes appear edited. Long-secret security tapes showing the chaos immediately after the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building are blank in the minutes before the blast and appear to have been edited, an attorney who obtained the recordings said Sunday [9/27/2009].


31 posted on 04/20/2010 2:47:45 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: JayVee

Jayna Davis — that’s the name. Thank you.


32 posted on 04/20/2010 2:48:25 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

None of your FR links work........


33 posted on 04/20/2010 2:49:22 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
This is a better link than the first one to the Partin analysis.
34 posted on 04/20/2010 2:50:09 PM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: chris_bdba; All

Did anybody watch the “computer-enhanced reinactment” of McVeigh’s footsteps leading up to the bombing and his subsequent arrest on MSNBC last night...Rachel Maddow was the narrator. It seemed too packaged, perfectly written like a fictional story. It was the McVeigh Tapes with Lew somebody??


35 posted on 04/20/2010 2:52:21 PM PDT by jp3 (BABIES, GUNS & JESUS...HOT DAMN!!)
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To: Bigun

Not sure about this lawyer though ...

Jesse Trentadue

http://www.radiodujour.com/people/trentadue_jesse/

A Salt Lake City lawyer who claims his brother was tortured and murdered in a federal prison is alleging that Attorney General-nominee Eric Holder played a role in covering up the crime.

In a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee members, lawyer Jesse Trentadue acknowledges the paper trail on Holder’s actions “is scant,” but claims he was the “point man” in an effort to persuade Congress to not investigate his brother’s death. He is asking that Holder be questioned at his confirmation hearing next year about his alleged attempt to block efforts “to obtain a certain measure of justice for my brother’s murder.”

The Department of Justice, where Holder served as deputy attorney general under President Bill Clinton, referred a request for comment to the Presidential Transition Team (PTT). A statement issued by an Obama transition aide denied Trentadue’s allegations.

“Multiple independent investigations have found that Kenneth Trentadue’s death was a suicide,” the statement said. “There is simply no evidence to support the claims in this letter.”

The body of Kenneth Trentadue, who had served time for bank robbery and was being held on an alleged parole violation, was found hanging in his cell at the Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City on Aug. 21, 1995.

Several investigations by state and federal agencies ruled the death a suicide, but his survivors believe Kenneth Trentadue was strangled with plastic handcuffs by guards who mistook him for an accomplice in the Oklahoma City bombing. Jesse Trentadue has filed several lawsuits alleging the Justice Department and the FBI are withholding records concerning his brother’s death, which he requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

In his Dec. 19 letter, Trentadue says Justice Department e-mails show Holder planned to meet with Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch on Oct. 9, 1997, to defuse Judiciary Committee oversight and media inquiry into what happened the night Kenneth died. Hatch, then-chairman of the Judiciary Committee, announced the day after the meeting that he intended to schedule a hearing in the matter but never did, Trentadue writes.

In addition, Trentadue alleges that an FBI delegation, at the “apparent” urging of Holder, approached Oklahoma Sen. Don Nickles to ask for assurances that there would be no Senate oversight.

Nickles said Monday that he was sympathetic to the Trentadues and at first was leaning toward their position, but he became convinced the death was a suicide and that there was no cover-up after inspecting Trentadue’s prison cell, talking to the medical examiner and meeting with FBI agents in late 1997 and early 1998.

“I do remember reviewing the case and wanting to get to the bottom of it,” said Nickles, now chairman of The Nickles Group, a Washington, D.C., consulting company. “This is the only case in my 24 years in the Senate which I was ever involved.”

Hatch said Tuesday that at the time the case came to his attention, “federal officials were operating a formal investigation into the details of this issue and a Senate Judiciary Hearing would have been premature and counter-productive.”

pmanson@sltrib.com
They savagely tortured him to death trying to get information he didn’t have
December 9, 2008

Alex Jones talks with Attorney Jesse Trentadue ... [Oh ok ...]


36 posted on 04/20/2010 2:54:56 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: Bigun

Partin knows his stuff. No doubt about that.


37 posted on 04/20/2010 2:56:35 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: jp3

Kind of like the TWA 800 veering upwards?


38 posted on 04/20/2010 2:57:35 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Weakening McCain strengthens our borders, weakens guest worker aka amnesty)
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To: ravingnutter
And then there's this, tying it all together:

Saddam's Philippines Terror Connection

39 posted on 04/20/2010 4:13:51 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: murron
I’ve heard that McVeigh was just a fall guy of sorts and that he was not the real bomber of the building. And that he’s not really dead. I don’t know what to believe regarding that, but it kind of sounds like the truthers version of 9/11.

He's dead alright, he and his buddy were involved in the bombing, but there was a third bomber, a middle eastern bomber and that info was suppressed in a hurry. Think about this: What is the average time a murderer spends on Death Row? And then check out how fast McVeigh was executed. They killed him fast in order to shut him up.

40 posted on 04/20/2010 4:18:12 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

This whole thing with McVeigh doesn’t gel. They caught him fast, tried him fast, and executed him fast. I don’t buy a lot of the story that we’ve been given. I heard that at his lethal injection execution, that some of the witnesses saw some real movement, such as his chest moving, after he was declared dead.


41 posted on 04/20/2010 6:29:07 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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