Skip to comments.Clinton's Waco Actions Render Claims of OKC Bombing Cover Up More Believable Than Ever
Posted on 04/20/2010 1:29:06 PM PDT by BobMcCartyWrites
If President Bill Clinton was responsible for the deaths at Waco, then claims about his involvement in an Oklahoma City Bombing cover up become more plausible.
This video shows former Clinton advisor Dick Morris sharing details with Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity of a deal made between President Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno related to the tragedy in Waco. In short, according to Morris, Reno threatened Clinton by saying she would tell the world how he was in charge of the mishandling of events which resulted in the deaths of 82 Branch Davidians -- including 20 children -- and four federal agents at the Texas prairie compound of David Koresh and his followers.
The statements by Morris come seven months after I published four posts based on exclusive interviews with two people who suspect President Clinton engaged in a cover up of details about who, in addition to Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, was responsible for the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City two years to the day after the Waco siege began.
One of the people with whom I spoke was David P. Schippers, a man who served as chief investigative counsel during the Clinton Impeachment Hearings in the U.S. House of Representatives and in similar proceedings in the Senate. Below is an excerpt from the Sept. 30 post in which I recounted my interview with the Chicago-based attorney:
I began the interview by asking Schippers why no one had pursued Hussain Al-Hussaini, the Iraqi native Davis identified in her book as the third terrorist who, along with Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, carried out the attack?
My honest opinion is that the original shot was made by (President Bill) Clinton in 1995, he explained. Remember, it was 1995, and he had lost the congress both houses of Congress and people were saying he would never get reelected, and his numbers were way the hell down.
If he had had another attack against the United States, he would have had to act, and he didnt do a damn thing on the first Twin Towers bombing, he continued. Clinton said, Lets not overreact, and, at that time, we had the Department of Justice with (Janet) Reno in there who was completely politicized, and I think (Clinton) just decided were not going to do it.
Schippers continued, riding a bipartisan train of thought.
Now, why didnt the (President George W.) Bush people do it? he asked rhetorically. Thats the one that really bothered me. We deliberately waited until Reno and that gang got out of the administration and then Bush came in.
Unfortunately, no one ever bit on the information Schippers said a president could have used as a legitimate reason to invade Iraq, and he blames it on a pact between the Bushes and Clintons something akin to the mutually-assured destruction mindset that prevailed during the Cold War between Russia and the United States.
The other person I interviewed was Jayna Davis, award-winning investigative reporter and author of The New York Times Best Seller about the OKC Bombing, The Third Terrorist. In three posts published Sept. 28, I share details of the interview during which she broke her four-year silence with the media and spoke to me about the OKC Bombing video tapes the FBI refuses to release -- most likely, because they will reveal that officials at the highest levels of government knew more than they let on.
File this under "Once Bitten, Twice Shy".
Something wasn’t right about what happend in Oklahoma City and the aftermath. Why was it so important to destroy the building so fast before the investigation was complete? So many questiuons that have no believable answer!
This all happened before I began paying attention to anything political. Is there also a “truther” group on OKC and Waco? And how would a “truther” group on those events differ, politically, from the 9/11 truthers of today?
Definitely something odd happened there. Just the fact that it happened despite the fact that McVeigh couldn’t turn around without bumping into a fed or someone in contact with the feds makes me suspect a major screw up at the least.
The Greatest Mystery about WACO 3 or 4 Slain ATF Agents were Clinton Body Guards
[Clinton said so himself in the Cash Room Speech]
The Third Terrorist.....A Very Good Book!
I think it’s pretty clear there was a coverup of Okc bombing. But i think it’s a federal “cop level” thing, happily supported by the Clintons.
There were guys seen with bomb sniffing dogs earlier that morning outside around the Murrah building. NO ATF was inside,, etc.
I think they knew a “bombing” was planned, and were really prepared for a pipe bomb, etc,,. They got caught flat footed by a mid-east style monster size truck bomb. We would have all been better had they just told us that,, instead, they stonewall and never admit a mistake.
And i think it’s interesting that Nichols spent a LOT of time on the specific island in the Philippines, at the specific university environment where that islamic Bojinka plot to blow up 10 airliners came from.
They clearly havent told us the truth. Clintin was too happy to blame the NRA and Rush Limbaugh.
This forum is founded on Truth about Waco and other Clinton crimes. That’s our beginning. We’ved covered it inside and out. You’ll find few in Talk Radio who could disagree with us about it. Now the revelation by Dick Morris and Rush firing a shot across Clinton’s bow — it’s all resurfacing.
Guess I’ve got a lot of catching up to do ;)
There are a ton of threads here on FR...search OKC Bombing and tags such as that...amazing stuff.
Thank you both!
McVeigh was bought and paid for...and that's why he was quickly "offed"...dead men tell no tales...
"Another Conspiracy Theory intrigued me because I could never disprove it. The theory seemed unlikely on its face: Ramzi Yousef or Khalid Sheik Muhammad had taught Terry Nichols how to blow up the Oklahoma Federal Building. The problem was that, upon investigation, we established that both Ramzi Yousef and Nichols had been in the city of Cebu on the same days. I had been to Cebu years earlier; it is on an island in the central Philippines. It was a town in which word could have spread that a local girl was bringing her American boy friend home and that the American hated the U.S. government.
"Yousef and Khalid Sheik Muhammad had gone there to help create an al Qaeda spinoff, a Philippine affiliate chapter, named after a hero of the Afghan war against the Soviets, Abu Sayaff. Could the al Qaeda explosives expert have been introduced to the angry American who proclaimed his hatred for the U.S. Government? We do not know, despite some FBI investigation. We do know that Nichols's bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned. We also know that Nichols continued to call Cebu long after his wife returned to the United States. The final coincidence is that several al Qaeda operatives had attended a radical Islamic conference a few years earliler in, of all places, Oklahoma City."
("Against All Enemies", p. 127)
It's all chronicled right here. Gonna take you awhile!
Of course they do!
Some of us never doubted that for a minute!
I’ve heard that McVeigh was just a fall guy of sorts and that he was not the real bomber of the building. And that he’s not really dead. I don’t know what to believe regarding that, but it kind of sounds like the truthers version of 9/11.
That’s kinda how I look at it. They knew something was going down and they screwed up.
Lots of interesting terrorist ties to Oklahoma City as well. Like the fact that Zachariahs Mussoui used Nick Berg’s computer while they both happened to be in town at the same time prior to 9/11.
The Buck Stops with Reno.
No problem KGG...I think Ovrtaxt and Politicalmom had some posts/threads about Oklahoma happenings awhile back.
To truly understand the “truther” side of the FR, Alamo-girl has filed it all scrupulously.
One under-reported outrage was the strange death of Betty Currie’s brother:
Theodore Williams, Betty Currie’s brother, Beaten before Betty’s Senate testimony then Car/Pedestrian Accident during Monica story(Key Witness’ brother)
A good key word is “Oregonian”, a paper that reported on his beating. Here’s one page that sums it up about right:
Betty Currie The night before White House secretary, Betty Currie, was to testify before the Campaign Finance hearing, her brother, Theodore Williams, Jr., was severely beaten and hospitalized (see Oregonian January 29, 1998 Page A9). Then within one month of her testifying in the Lewinsky Grand Jury her sister was killed in a car “accident” in December 1997.
Then there’s the weird car accident ...
Death of brother of Clintons personal secretary, Betty Currie, ruled accidental.
Jet | March 9, 1998 |
Virginia State Police recently concluded that the brother of President Clintons personal secretary, Betty Currie, did not intend to commit suicide when he ran onto an interstate after a traffic accident and was struck and killed by an oncoming tractor-trailer.
Police say there is no explanation why Theodore R. Williams Jr. of Fort Washington, MD, darted from the highway shoulder after talking to a trooper who was investigating the accident with another truck. Williams had escaped the crash without injury.
A spokeswoman, Mary S. Evans, for state police told [snip]
COPYRIGHT 1998 Johnson Publishing Co.
COPYRIGHT 2008 Gale, Cengage Learning
Urg ... did I write “sister”? Brother. This sounds about right...
Currie had lost a brother in a bizarre car accident that left even local investigators puzzled. Theodore Williams had survived the initial crash, only to dart back onto a Virginia highway on foot — into the path of an =
18 wheeler (The Richmond Times Dispatch, 12/17/97).
Apologies ... sanding off the rust of my memory here ...
Dec 15 Clinton gets request from Jones team for Lewinski related documents; Currie’s brother killed in auto accident.
Richmond Times Dispatch 12/17/97 “A New York motorist survived a plunge down an embankment after his vehicle hit a truck on Interstate 95 in Hanover County on Monday, but he was killed when he was struck by another truck after he climbed the embankment. Theodore R. Williams, 52, of Fort Washington was traveling south about 11 a.m. when his vehicle hit a truck and plunged down the embankment just south of state Route 674, state police said. After the crash, Williams climbed up the embankment and stepped onto the roadway where he was hit by the second truck.”
It goes even deeper than just McVeigh and Yousef, from my files:
Ramzi Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols crossed paths (OKC) in the Phillipines. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (9/11) was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given monthly salary and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.
“The Buck Stops with Reno.” But three bullets stopped in former Clinton body guards. Strange world, huh?
No worries, FRiend. According to Thomas Sowell, no one can know 1% of everything anymore. We’ll continue to find our increasingly naarrow niches based on personal backgrounds, interests, available time, etc.
One thing to bear in mind is that no matter how shocking someone sounds, if that person has been around a while [like Rush, Hannity, Coulter, or Levin] it would be wrong to discount what that person says without a little counter-research at least.
I myself have never done much research about the OKC bombing. I was sceptical in the beginning, so I’m way behind the curve on the bombing theories myself.
My mouth has dropped a few times listening to a particular lady, former member of some major news broadcast. But time is limited. I could talk a person’s ear off about the Ron Brown Crash though.
— FRegards ....
May I suggest “The Third terrorist,” by Investigative reporter Jayna Davis, that suggests a Middle-Eastern element in the OKC bombing. She alledges that an Iraqi was an advisor to mcVeigh and his group, because, without assistance, they weren’t all that swift.
I’m glad to see the DSL is being helpful to you!
Ah yes ... the preset charges theory. Now here’s something else that’s interesting:
Attorney: Oklahoma City bombing tapes appear edited. Long-secret security tapes showing the chaos immediately after the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building are blank in the minutes before the blast and appear to have been edited, an attorney who obtained the recordings said Sunday [9/27/2009].
Jayna Davis — that’s the name. Thank you.
None of your FR links work........
Did anybody watch the “computer-enhanced reinactment” of McVeigh’s footsteps leading up to the bombing and his subsequent arrest on MSNBC last night...Rachel Maddow was the narrator. It seemed too packaged, perfectly written like a fictional story. It was the McVeigh Tapes with Lew somebody??
Not sure about this lawyer though ...
A Salt Lake City lawyer who claims his brother was tortured and murdered in a federal prison is alleging that Attorney General-nominee Eric Holder played a role in covering up the crime.
In a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee members, lawyer Jesse Trentadue acknowledges the paper trail on Holder’s actions “is scant,” but claims he was the “point man” in an effort to persuade Congress to not investigate his brother’s death. He is asking that Holder be questioned at his confirmation hearing next year about his alleged attempt to block efforts “to obtain a certain measure of justice for my brother’s murder.”
The Department of Justice, where Holder served as deputy attorney general under President Bill Clinton, referred a request for comment to the Presidential Transition Team (PTT). A statement issued by an Obama transition aide denied Trentadue’s allegations.
“Multiple independent investigations have found that Kenneth Trentadue’s death was a suicide,” the statement said. “There is simply no evidence to support the claims in this letter.”
The body of Kenneth Trentadue, who had served time for bank robbery and was being held on an alleged parole violation, was found hanging in his cell at the Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City on Aug. 21, 1995.
Several investigations by state and federal agencies ruled the death a suicide, but his survivors believe Kenneth Trentadue was strangled with plastic handcuffs by guards who mistook him for an accomplice in the Oklahoma City bombing. Jesse Trentadue has filed several lawsuits alleging the Justice Department and the FBI are withholding records concerning his brother’s death, which he requested under the Freedom of Information Act.
In his Dec. 19 letter, Trentadue says Justice Department e-mails show Holder planned to meet with Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch on Oct. 9, 1997, to defuse Judiciary Committee oversight and media inquiry into what happened the night Kenneth died. Hatch, then-chairman of the Judiciary Committee, announced the day after the meeting that he intended to schedule a hearing in the matter but never did, Trentadue writes.
In addition, Trentadue alleges that an FBI delegation, at the “apparent” urging of Holder, approached Oklahoma Sen. Don Nickles to ask for assurances that there would be no Senate oversight.
Nickles said Monday that he was sympathetic to the Trentadues and at first was leaning toward their position, but he became convinced the death was a suicide and that there was no cover-up after inspecting Trentadue’s prison cell, talking to the medical examiner and meeting with FBI agents in late 1997 and early 1998.
“I do remember reviewing the case and wanting to get to the bottom of it,” said Nickles, now chairman of The Nickles Group, a Washington, D.C., consulting company. “This is the only case in my 24 years in the Senate which I was ever involved.”
Hatch said Tuesday that at the time the case came to his attention, “federal officials were operating a formal investigation into the details of this issue and a Senate Judiciary Hearing would have been premature and counter-productive.”
They savagely tortured him to death trying to get information he didn’t have
December 9, 2008
Alex Jones talks with Attorney Jesse Trentadue ... [Oh ok ...]
Partin knows his stuff. No doubt about that.
Kind of like the TWA 800 veering upwards?
He's dead alright, he and his buddy were involved in the bombing, but there was a third bomber, a middle eastern bomber and that info was suppressed in a hurry. Think about this: What is the average time a murderer spends on Death Row? And then check out how fast McVeigh was executed. They killed him fast in order to shut him up.
This whole thing with McVeigh doesn’t gel. They caught him fast, tried him fast, and executed him fast. I don’t buy a lot of the story that we’ve been given. I heard that at his lethal injection execution, that some of the witnesses saw some real movement, such as his chest moving, after he was declared dead.
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