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Census Bureau Coercing Tape Recorded Interviews Without Consent
X180A

Posted on 05/25/2010 11:02:41 AM PDT by X180A

I had a message on my answering machine asking that I call the Census Bureau and referencing a case number. When I called a machine answered and stated something to the effect that calls may be recorded for quality assurance purposes. Then an agent came on the line, asked for the reference number, and told me that they had some questions they wanted to ask me.

I told the lady on the line that, "I am happy to provide information but I do not consent to being recorded". She explained that recording was only for their internal quality assurance use. I said that I understood but that I still did not want to be recorded. She said that since she could not turn the recording feature off, that she was going to have to mark my file to indicate that I had refused to be interviewed.

Well, it went on from there. I explained that I was willing to submit to interview, that I would gladly clarify any information I had sent the Census Bureau, and that I would answer additional questions and provide whatever information she needed, BUT I would not consent to being recorded. She said she had to speak to a supervisor and then returned to the line to say there was no way to turn off recording and she would be forced to mark the the file reflecting that I was refusing to answer questions.

I asked to speak to the supervisor. A very nice lady came on and identified herself as a supervisor. Our conversation was similar to the one I had with the first lady. I made it clear again and again that I was willing to provide any information needed. She went on saying that they could not turn the machine off and that my file would be marked to indicate my refusal to be interviewed. I said that refusal to provide information is a crime and for her to note that I was refusing, when I was not, was perjurous and constituted false reporting. Then I pointed out that since I had already indicated I did not want to be recorded, if the recorder was still running they were violating federal law by continuing to record the very conversation we were having. She said she was going to get her supervisor.

A very polite gentleman came on the line and we resumed the discussion. He explained how they use the recordings for employee training and critique and how important it is to them. I explained that I was unwilling to be recorded, not because of some sinister reason, but because it is a matter of principle with me. He pointed out that they use a welcome greeting that informs callers that conversations may be recorded. I pointed out that such a message is required by federal law so that the caller has the option of consenting or not consenting to being recorded. He said that he had no mechanism by which to stop the recording. I reiterated several times that I was perfectly willing to provide answers and submit to interview and to mark the file otherwise was not accurate. I also mentioned that there were probably a lot of other people like me that did not want to be recorded but felt they had no choice. He said he would note the entire situation in the file and that he would inform his superiors to see what could be done.


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You are required by law to submit to interview by a government agency that is recording the conversation. Federal law prohibits the agency from recording without your consent. Yet, if you do not participate in the interview, your file will be marked to indicate that you refused to provide the information you are required to provide. I do not believe that recorded calls will never be used for anything other than quality assurance or employee training. It seems like a way to coerce people into consenting to a recorded interview.
1 posted on 05/25/2010 11:02:41 AM PDT by X180A
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To: X180A

and on your permanent record!


2 posted on 05/25/2010 11:04:48 AM PDT by doodad
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To: X180A

Catch X180A.


3 posted on 05/25/2010 11:06:05 AM PDT by DManA
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To: X180A

Tell them to send you the questions by email.


4 posted on 05/25/2010 11:08:59 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: X180A

How do they interview a deaf or mute person?

Ask for that method.


5 posted on 05/25/2010 11:09:46 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: X180A
Thank you.

You provide evidence of proper response to an illrgal government tactic.

You are now a public servant diseminating information for the common good.

6 posted on 05/25/2010 11:09:57 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: X180A

2 questions:
Why’d you provide your phone # in your initial response?
Why’d you return the phone call?


7 posted on 05/25/2010 11:09:57 AM PDT by MayfairFly ("Your total ignorance of that which you profess to teach merits the death penalty.")
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To: X180A

since they can’t turn it off, they have the recording of your conversation as proof. all you have to do is try and get it.

good luck with that.


8 posted on 05/25/2010 11:10:17 AM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: doodad

I hope he wasn’t already on double secret probation!


9 posted on 05/25/2010 11:10:21 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: X180A

what state was this in?


10 posted on 05/25/2010 11:10:29 AM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: X180A

Why did you call back?

I haven’t picked up my phone since the mid-80s


11 posted on 05/25/2010 11:10:40 AM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: X180A

You know that the party at the other end of the line was the US Census how? I wouldn’t have even called them back. If they want to know let them come out in person w/ the proper credentials. Even then...


12 posted on 05/25/2010 11:11:29 AM PDT by 556x45
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If I were you, I would call them back and submit to a recorded interview before some knucklehead filed charges against me. This stuff is very hard to undo. I believe in picking my hills to die on, so to speak. Just my $0.02.

13 posted on 05/25/2010 11:11:51 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: X180A
Or, simply mindless bureaucrats that see no problem with being given two conflicting orders.
14 posted on 05/25/2010 11:12:53 AM PDT by Pecos
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To: X180A
calls may be recorded for quality assurance purposes

when i hear that...that is a two way consent. I tell the caller, can you hold just a second while I turn on my recording device ?

a few said ok, but most hang up....
15 posted on 05/25/2010 11:13:27 AM PDT by stylin19a (Never buy a putter until you first get a chance to throw it)
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To: X180A

Tell me you didn’t give them your SS# or bank account information???

Sounds like a scam to me.


16 posted on 05/25/2010 11:16:25 AM PDT by Carling (Remember November)
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Well, if it came down to it any judge worth his salt would order them to produce said tape and you would prove you were not refusing.
But I doubt it would ever come to that.


17 posted on 05/25/2010 11:19:23 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: X180A

Ask them if it is OK for you to record them.


18 posted on 05/25/2010 11:20:10 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: X180A

Please help me re the census — a census worker came to my home yesterday and I noticed she was filling it out IN PENCIL !!
I protested and asked her to use ink. She said that the machine can read only the lead in the pencil. I replied that it was ridiculous and dangerous to fill out an official form in pencil because then anyone could erase and change the answers. She ssid she worked for the federal gov’t and that this was the way it was.
I told her that I didn’t care and to go away and come back with a pen.
Is this nuts, or what?


19 posted on 05/25/2010 11:20:49 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: MayfairFly

Good questions. I threw away my census form and refused to answer the door when the ACORN thugs came by.


20 posted on 05/25/2010 11:26:13 AM PDT by Astronaut
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