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Poll: If Obama Imposes the U.N. Gun Ban On America... (55% choose Revolution)
United States of Earth ^ | June 12, 2010 | N/A

Posted on 07/20/2010 7:36:49 AM PDT by DTogo

If Obama Imposes the U.N. Gun Ban On America, Which Would Dissolve Our Bill Of Rights And Orders Gun Confiscation What Will You Do?

The new United Nations Treaty is being designed to disarm citizens of each nation that signs. The treaty will give all governments a free hand to do as they please. It is making headway in Washington D.C. and it is feared that President Obama may very well try to use the treaty to consolidate his power in America. The treaty specifics are now being negotiated and Obama has given the OK For the U.S. to be a part of the negotiations.

As of June 2010 Obama supports the soon to be written treaty, which would end our Bill of Rights and destroy the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd Amendment has been the crucial amendment that is there to guard against tyranny.

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1 posted on 07/20/2010 7:36:56 AM PDT by DTogo
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To: DTogo

2 posted on 07/20/2010 7:38:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: DTogo
The U.N. is a one-world corrupt organization.

George Washington warned the people of foreign entanglements.

3 posted on 07/20/2010 7:38:50 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: DTogo

Revolution that America will never forget.


4 posted on 07/20/2010 7:39:58 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: DTogo

First thing that comes to my mind is, have these 58% or chose revolution been put on someone’s list in DC?


5 posted on 07/20/2010 7:40:35 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DTogo

I read this particular legislation about a year ago and there is a line in the bill stating it cannot undermine the constitution of any signatory country.

Besides that the Constitution makes no provision for being undermined by treaty or international law.

Barry can sign this thing if he wants but it will never be ratified by the Senate so it will be another waste of time.


6 posted on 07/20/2010 7:41:11 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: DManA

these 50% WHO chose revolution


7 posted on 07/20/2010 7:41:23 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DTogo

The issues that divide us, political, moral and theological, whether or not we “spread the wealth” and pursue a socialist agenda or whether we adhere to our original founding as a free republic has us hurtling towards another American civil war. Do we change our entire way of life, the base of our economy and restructure our political landscape?

Free Republic or Slave Socialist? The Federal Usurpation is being pushed too far for some of us to stand. Do we abandon our “noble experiment” based upon the powerful force of personal liberty and freedom, the principles for which our Republic once stood? Are they misguided? Are they evil? The leftists, of course, believe they have a more spiritual and humane path, wanting (so they say) all Americans to share equally in the wealth, where progressivism can become the only true freedom.

Should we conserve the ideals of a Republic, a Representative Republic, envisioned by the founders of these United States? Do our social and religious beliefs, established mores, our basic economic freedoms, induce enough passion to fight ... and will both sides claim an absolute, moral imperative that each consider unimpeachable and the most righteous cause? This is the stuff of civil wars.

Is the left going to insist theirs is an urgent mission that cannot be put off any longer and continue the cry for social justice, forcing America into the complete and final solution, in which they so fervently believe?

I hope this will nothing but a clash between opposing forces of voters, but it seems too explosive. It is too deep a disagreement, too fundamentally rooted in our respective beliefs in a way of life to which we each are totally committed, Republic or Socialist. We know they can not exist peacefully. There is no history to suggest it.

This is not simply socialist creep, a push from a small number of radicals; it is the rush of the left, abetted by many around the world, to finally end our grand experiment.
Will the resistance to this virulent, leftist imposition of will end in a heated debate and resolution through the ballot box, or will it create a resurgent Free Republic, the mounting of a resistance that forces some of us to become rebels?


8 posted on 07/20/2010 7:46:56 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny...its principles are the founding principles." - LevinHey,)
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To: DTogo

Er, yes, Obama can just enforce a UN gun ban with the stroke of a pen. (eyes rolling)


9 posted on 07/20/2010 7:48:21 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Vendome

Barry can sign this thing if he wants but it will never be ratified by the Senate so it will be another waste of time


Not so sure anymore. When few actually read the bills they sign anything could happen. They’ll sneak anything through by whatever methods are available. We no longer have a government for the people. Sad.


10 posted on 07/20/2010 7:48:47 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey (here's my checkbook and my car-keys, my credit carThe bigger the government = The smaller the people)
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To: DTogo

I’ve never owned a gun in my life, but if this was clearly being attempted I would buy many.


11 posted on 07/20/2010 7:49:09 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Vendome
Besides that the Constitution makes no provision for being undermined by treaty or international law.

Article VI, read it and stand corrected.

12 posted on 07/20/2010 7:50:11 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Seruzawa
Er, yes, Obama can just enforce a UN gun ban with the stroke of a pen. (eyes rolling)

Article VI of the Constitution, read it.

13 posted on 07/20/2010 7:52:38 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Why wait? Go shopping!


14 posted on 07/20/2010 7:53:18 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo
Here is the link without the Stumbled Upon frame:

http://www.usofearth.com/polls/?p=126

This looks like a good conservative news source: http://www.usofearth.com/index.php

I just put in my Bookmark Toolbar right next to FreeRepublic.com

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

15 posted on 07/20/2010 7:59:51 AM PDT by Varmint Al
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To: DTogo

Senate has to ratify treaties.


16 posted on 07/20/2010 8:01:45 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Vendome

“Barry can sign this thing if he wants but it will never be ratified by the Senate so it will be another waste of time.”

Not until the lame duck bites. Then all bets are off.


17 posted on 07/20/2010 8:01:45 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (It takes courage to stay on Monster Ping. [Link in profile.])
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
I’ve never owned a gun in my life, but if this was clearly being attempted I would buy many.

You might want to buy at least one now to beat the rush and be prepared. The worsening economy itself is reason enough to consider a gun for personal protection.

And gun sales need to go through the roof regardless, in order to serves as a deterrent against this kind of thing. If every law-abiding citizen had a gun, the Marxists would realize that any gun ban would be no more than masturbatory futility.

18 posted on 07/20/2010 8:16:18 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenerio at a time.)
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To: Varmint Al

Agreed, it does look like a pretty decent site.


19 posted on 07/20/2010 8:18:11 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Still needs 2/3rds ratification and that isn’t going to happen.

You might get the ugly sisters of Maine and Scott Brown to go with this but it will absolutely fall short of 2/3rds.

Not even close enough for them to “Deem it”.


20 posted on 07/20/2010 8:19:15 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: TheThinker; pieceofthepuzzle
USA Gun Owners Buy 14 Million Plus Guns In 2009 – More Than 21 of the Worlds Standing Armies Combined (1 gun per soldier)
21 posted on 07/20/2010 8:22:19 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

In the mean time you might want to learn how to load one. We’ll need re-loaders.


22 posted on 07/20/2010 8:25:32 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( Democrat-Republican, whatever)
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To: Vendome

Maine is one of the most pro-second amendment states in the U.S.

If Snowe and/or Collins went along with this, they would be drawn and quartered by the (many) gun owners of Maine.


23 posted on 07/20/2010 8:28:04 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The rallying cry of American patriots.....REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!)
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To: Vendome

This Senate would probably ratify it...


24 posted on 07/20/2010 8:31:55 AM PDT by spaced
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To: DTogo
 "We the People of the United States...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
.....
 
 
. . . ,all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
 
 
Nice try though.

25 posted on 07/20/2010 8:32:20 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: DTogo

The hurricane in New Orleans provided the local government with an excuse to seize legal guns and kill resisters.

The current regime is afraid of normal people shedding their sheep’s clothing and standing up for their rights.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a repeat of the New Orleans stuff on the national level.


26 posted on 07/20/2010 8:35:34 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (How can I annoy a liberal today?)
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To: DTogo
This has appeared every six months or so since Clinton's second term. We should always remain vigilant, but I don't see them doing this . . . yet.
27 posted on 07/20/2010 8:36:55 AM PDT by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Really? Why haven’t those two ugly wenches been drawn and quartered by now?

Or at least had a bag put on their heads?

Are they the daughter or granddaughters of Helen Thomas?


28 posted on 07/20/2010 8:38:36 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Seruzawa; DTogo
Senate has to ratify treaties.

That is true, Seruzawa. Article 2, Section 2 of the Constitution states:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec2

DTogo is correct about Article 6 concerning treaties, once signed by the President and ratified by the Senate, become the law of the land. Article 6 link:

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Article6

and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

29 posted on 07/20/2010 8:39:02 AM PDT by AmericaOne (Sneaking In is NOT Immigration!!!)
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To: spaced

You need 66 Senators and they are never going to find 66 senators.

The best they might do is 62 but they would still fall short and I have my doubts about finding even 50 votes.


30 posted on 07/20/2010 8:40:05 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: AmericaOne; Seruzawa
 "We the People of the United States...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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. . . ,all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
 
 
Nice try though.

31 posted on 07/20/2010 8:41:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

LOL!

I have to grind me teeth when I hear either one of them speak.

The keep getting re-elected because the democrat party runs ultra-leftist moonbats against them. In comparison, Snowe and Collins look good (which they’re not).

I wish the ballot had a box to check which says, “None of the above.”


32 posted on 07/20/2010 8:47:06 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The rallying cry of American patriots.....REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

can you write in doggie bag?


33 posted on 07/20/2010 8:54:05 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome; Seruzawa; All
Vendome,

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that the section you underlined in Article 6 of the Constitution does not pertain to legally ratified treaties being overruled by the Constitution, but to the supremacy of the Constitution itself. You replaced the semi-colon with a comma. The semi-colon ';' separates different sections of the paragraph concerning Supremacy of the Constitution. Below is the entire Supremacy paragraph in Article 6:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Also, I recall a few years ago, the Supreme Court ruled that once a treaty is legally entered into and ratified, that it becomes the law of the land and supercedes previous laws, including the Constitution. I can't recall the case, but I believe that the Supremes did say a treaty does overrule the Constitution. I may be wrong, but I do recall reading about this a few years ago.

I do hope you are right, Vendome, and that I am wrong, but my memory says the Supremes did rule recently that legally ratified treaties do supercede U.S. Law.

34 posted on 07/20/2010 9:01:12 AM PDT by AmericaOne (Sneaking In is NOT Immigration!!!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
There's really no reason not to be armed. Should the troubles come to pass, you'll be prepared to defend your opinions...

And don't forget the ammunition!

35 posted on 07/20/2010 9:04:13 AM PDT by no-s (B.L.O.A.T. and every day...because some day soon they won't be making any more...for you.)
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To: Vendome; Seruzawa; All

Vendome,

My apologies about the comma - semi-colon thing. I was in error about that.

Americaone


36 posted on 07/20/2010 9:04:27 AM PDT by AmericaOne (Sneaking In is NOT Immigration!!!)
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To: AmericaOne

Whatever Grammar Nazi. It is called an “excerpted quote”, hence I did not give it a “full quote”, “paraphrase” or even summarize.

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, last night, so I am confident using and excerpted quote is completely acceptable.

Besides you put the semi-colon in the wrong place as you did not call out the words before and after where it should exist.

And no, The Supreme Court never ruled the Constitution can abrogated or marginalized by treaty.

You may be worshiping at the alter of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who has a penchant and love of international law and wants to achieve some sort of uniformity above or in exception of The U.S. Constitution. However, she and you will not achieve your vaunted dream without at least three more justices on your side, who will rule in favor of international law.

Not going to happen.

I still stand by my original summary.

No treaty can abrogate the Supreme law of the land, in which all executive, judges, senators, etc must abide by and any treaty entered into must achieve a majority and affirmative vote of no less than 2/3rds the Senate.

That isn’t going to happen either.


37 posted on 07/20/2010 9:21:09 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: AmericaOne

Oops! and I just gave you an excoriation.

My apologies for being so quick.

LOL


38 posted on 07/20/2010 9:22:05 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: DTogo

Somebody mentioned LISTS?!?! Military veterans, firefighters, emergency service technicians, V.A. patients, law enforcement, are all ALREADY “identified” by the federal government!

Should this bastard-in-charge kneel and curtsy to the U.N.’s gun laws, I’m putting on war paint, buying my urn on E-bay, and making sure that “little play things” are all nice and clean, and well-fed. There is a “No surrender” in Arabic picture I have saved as a JPG file, should somebody wish it for themselves, free. I swore an oath as a military member to protect and defend the Constitution. Any questions?


39 posted on 07/20/2010 9:39:12 AM PDT by Prussianone
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Of course, you will have already legally changed your name to “None of the above”, yes? ;)


40 posted on 07/20/2010 9:40:24 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Start NOW!! I have not owned any, in over a 25 year span of time, but because of the upswing of things, I have attended CCW classes (I’m silent on the rest of that), and have found a few ‘good ones’ at a fair price.

If you are not one for a handgun, (no points taken for that), try this ... the good ol’ cowboy lever-action rifle, many styles, many choices. It will do as advertised, as it has since 1892!

But get one before this happens, for now you still have a choice!!!


41 posted on 07/20/2010 9:46:13 AM PDT by Prussianone
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To: Vendome

“it will never be ratified by the Senate so it will be another waste of time.”

nuf said, end of story.


42 posted on 07/20/2010 9:51:23 AM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: DTogo; Vendome; Seruzawa; Joan Kerrey; Varmint Al; Arthur Wildfire! March; ...
Little bammy can "stroke of the pen" all he likes, it will not do him any good.

He would be better off "clicking the mouse..."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=treaties+do+not+superseded+the+constitution&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

.

43 posted on 07/20/2010 9:59:15 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Secret Agent Man

N.F.Way!

I am an American citizen. I am a Viet Vet. I worked for DoD, later. I was the Office Operations Supervisor, in Portland, Or., for Census 2000. I am a Hurricane Katrina survivor. I am now writing this to you. I have worked in the belly of the beast, and know it is detestible.

Yes, I have a sign-on, but it is habit, after working with computers, first mainframes, then desktops, and now laptops, long enough that these things are now playtoys.


44 posted on 07/20/2010 10:01:46 AM PDT by Prussianone
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To: Vendome

I would agree. Although its completely irrational any sort of gun ban would play very badly in rank/file dem circles. In my end of the world there are plenty of dems who would spit blood if their weapons were banned. So, if Barry and his DC shills did get to the point where they had the votes or feel they could play the ‘deem’ game I think Things would go very very badly in a big hurry.


45 posted on 07/20/2010 10:16:53 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: TLI

Tah, Dah!

I didn’t want to post all that but you did a fine job with a Google search.


46 posted on 07/20/2010 10:46:17 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
You need 66 Senators and they are never going to find 66 senators.

67 actually, assuming there are 100 Senators present.

47 posted on 07/20/2010 11:05:50 AM PDT by matt1234 (The only crisis 0bama can manage is one he intentionally created.)
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To: matt1234

Wait a minute, now that I think of it, they could “Deem it”.

Using their contorted logic they would only need 2/3rds of the votes cast, not 2/3rds of the entire Senate.(Not Constitutional but hey, they can make me do business with a company I don’t already do business with)


48 posted on 07/20/2010 11:23:56 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
> I’ve never owned a gun in my life, but if this was clearly being attempted I would buy many.

And a lot of people want to wait to buy flood insurance until the water is up to the first porch step. Recommend that you reevaluate your perspective immediately and make a purchase NOW.

49 posted on 07/20/2010 12:33:13 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Prussianone
Everyone should join (or at least contribute to) Oathkeepers: http://oathkeepers.org/oath
50 posted on 07/20/2010 12:36:42 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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