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U.S. Government plots to confiscate your retirement funds.
The Silent Majority ^ | 09-05-10 | Southernman

Posted on 09/05/2010 2:47:16 AM PDT by Lexluthor69

With the government facing an escalating crisis of debt it seems they are becoming increasingly creative (devious) with solutions.

We have reported previously on the U.S. government’s intimations that they would move to nationalize private retirement accounts (Obama’s Socialist Government Coming For Your Pension ). Now it seems that the Department of Labor and the Treasury Department are beginning to take the steps necessary to do just that.

The following excerpts come from an article entitled “US Departments of Labor and Treasury Schedule Hearing on Confiscation of Private Retirement Accounts“:

On August 26, the US Department of Labor issued a news release (http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/newsroom/2010/ebsa082610.html). It lists the agenda for the joint hearings being held with the Department of Treasury September 14-15, 2010 on what is euphemistically called “lifetime income options for retirement plans.” The hearings are being conducted by the Labor Department’s Employee Benefits Security Administration.

I don’t like speaking in tabloid-style terms, but the unstated agenda of these hearings, as I understand it, is to push for the US government to eventually nationalize (confiscate) all assets in private Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs) and 401K plans!

The US government is desperate to get its hands on private assets to help cover soaring budget deficits and debts, and this is simply the largest and easiest piggy bank that could be seized. The Investment Company Institute estimates that at the end of 2008 that there were $3.613 trillion of assets in IRAs and $2.350 trillion of assets in 401K plans.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 401k; erisa; ira; nationalize; obama; retirement
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1 posted on 09/05/2010 2:47:18 AM PDT by Lexluthor69
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To: Lexluthor69

Thats why people have been cashing in their 401 (k)s and IRA’s, taking the penalties and moving their money off shore. Then if the government wants your money, they will have to sue in a foreign jurisdiction to get it.Most foreign nations would not enforce a US confiscation law like this one would be.


2 posted on 09/05/2010 2:54:15 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/ic05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

How do you do that, and where would you move it?


3 posted on 09/05/2010 3:04:15 AM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Candor7
Most foreign nations would not enforce a US confiscation law like this one would be.

Well, that is not entirely correct - especially since one of the last big holdouts (Switzerland) has essentially revoked it's famous Bank Secrecy Laws for all US Citizens.

4 posted on 09/05/2010 3:12:13 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Candor7

I would like to know how one does that myself.


5 posted on 09/05/2010 3:17:27 AM PDT by logos (I have enough ammo to get more.)
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To: CutePuppy; stephenjohnbanker; Condor51
......the govt's facing an escalating crisis of debt, so they are becoming increasingly creative (and even more devious) with solutions, moving to nationalize private retirement accounts ..........

Not another slush fund for the WH mob?

Keep in mind, Professor Ohaha knows nothing about high finance. This is more evidence of Rahm Emanuel's backdoor conniving.

Emanuel came from Wall Street where looting retirement funds is their fave occupation. These Wall Street connivers know how to make money disappear faster than a cream puff at a Weight Watcher weigh-in.

6 posted on 09/05/2010 3:20:24 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Lexluthor69

It is the only way Obama’s debts can be paid. There is no other source other than buying more Weimar printers. They’re running all they have now full time and it’s not enough.


7 posted on 09/05/2010 3:21:31 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profiling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: logos

Our 401ks are unfortunately linked to our jobs and we can’t access them until we quit. However, we did take out loans from them so we could get SOME of the money before the market tanks...or the government seizes the funds.


8 posted on 09/05/2010 3:23:47 AM PDT by Prince of Space ("I'm buying shrimp, guys. Come on.")
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To: Lexluthor69
Gee, not that anything this Fascist Administration does is any longer surprising in it's Un-constitutionality, but would such a move not require Congressional approval and if so, I can not imagine that this would receive much support among both Demo-Rats, R's or I's throughout the country?

Yeah, yeah, I know, neither did O'Bummer's Death Care, but after Nov 2nd, I'm hoping they will no longer control both chambers which could put a Kibosh on this and many other programs/proposals that they would like to implement

9 posted on 09/05/2010 3:23:52 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: Liz

Mmmmm...cream puffs.


10 posted on 09/05/2010 3:25:07 AM PDT by Prince of Space ("I'm buying shrimp, guys. Come on.")
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To: Lexluthor69

As was spoken about before the election.


11 posted on 09/05/2010 3:31:14 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord grant our troops protection and endurance.)
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To: Prince of Space

If you feel you need to do it, I have just one thing to say.
Hard Assets beats money in the Bank.


12 posted on 09/05/2010 3:33:45 AM PDT by SwedeBoy2
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To: Candor7
Most foreign nations would not enforce a US confiscation law like this one would be.

Oh, yes they would! Most foreign nations (or least most investment-grade foreign nations, e.g., OECD members) will namely be in the same predicament as the U.S., or they will otherwise be under the thumb of OECD nations, and will gladly co-operate, since they'll be expecting the U.S. to do the same in return (i.e., help them enforce their own confiscatory laws).

Regards,

13 posted on 09/05/2010 3:33:47 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: SwedeBoy2

By hard assets, do you means gold, houses, antiques, art, etc.? At this point, as I read that Chavez, dictator of Venezuela, is now going to issue a “food card,” I am thinking, “This is where the US is going if the madness in Washington is not stopped and rolled back immediately.”
I am sure it is true that the very rich have already moved their money to somewhere other than the US..I am sure they have homes and all they need in other places..This is why they do not really care about what happens here.


14 posted on 09/05/2010 4:02:24 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Lexluthor69
The following excerpts come from an article entitled “US Departments of Labor and Treasury Schedule Hearing on Confiscation of Private Retirement Accounts“:

The author is a nutcase, or is pulling an inflammatory headline from a nutcase. No one is talking about, or implying, confiscation.

Check the primary sources:

U.S. Departments of Labor and Treasury to hold hearing on specific issues related to lifetime income options for retirement plans

Federal Register: Request for Information Regarding Lifetime Income Options for Participants and Beneficiaries in Retirement Plans

SUMMARY: The Department of Labor and the Department of the Treasury 
(the ``Agencies'') are currently reviewing the rules under the Employee 
Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) and the plan qualification rules 
under the Internal Revenue Code (Code) to determine whether, and, if 
so, how, the Agencies could or should enhance, by regulation or 
otherwise, the retirement security of participants in employer-
sponsored retirement plans and in individual retirement arrangements 
(IRAs) by facilitating access to, and use of, lifetime income or other 
arrangements designed to provide a lifetime stream of income after 
retirement. The purpose of this request for information is to solicit 
views, suggestions and comments from plan participants, employers and 
other plan sponsors, plan service providers, and members of the 
financial community, as well as the general public, on this important 
issue.

DATES: Comments must be submitted on or before May 3, 2010.

15 posted on 09/05/2010 4:02:58 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: Liz

Emanuel came from Wall Street where looting retirement funds is their fave occupation.

Didn’t they learn their craft from corrupt union bosses?

...and speaking of Rahm.

...Crickets.


16 posted on 09/05/2010 4:07:31 AM PDT by wita
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To: Lexluthor69
The following excerpts come from an article entitled

I can't find a source for any of your blog post content other than you citing "an article." Please correct me if I am missing something.
17 posted on 09/05/2010 4:10:09 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: Lexluthor69
The following excerpts come from an article entitled

I can't find a source for any of your blog post content other than you citing "an article." Please correct me if I am missing something.
18 posted on 09/05/2010 4:10:13 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: Lexluthor69

well, I liquidated the 401k from my previous employer and plowed it all into a huge downpayment on the house we recently bought. So, if the government wants to get their hands on my “retirement funds”, they’re going to have to come take me out of here in a body bag.


19 posted on 09/05/2010 4:11:11 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: Lexluthor69

Since all of this is just conjecture right now with the offerings of these concepts, would it be out of the realm of possibilities that this whole scam is a rope-a-dope?

In that, scare the people into liquidating their 401K’s and IRA’s so the government realizes a big influx of funds for the early withdrawal tax penalties? Add to it, the remaining funds withdrawn all of a sudden become part of the fluid economy as people are likely to spend it rather than find alternative avenues to keep it safe.

These people play on human nature alot and this could be a follow the pea under the walnut shell scam to get monies out of the safe havens and back into their hands without actually having to officially change anything.


20 posted on 09/05/2010 4:16:39 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd - Scott for FL Gov. - Miller AK US Senate)
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To: Prince of Space

21 posted on 09/05/2010 4:44:01 AM PDT by Liz
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To: mazda77

it’s time to take a stand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_OzLHKFN5s


22 posted on 09/05/2010 4:47:14 AM PDT by terjon
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To: calcowgirl

Cowgirl,
Thank you for posting the description of the hearing. I’ve read a lot of government-ese. What I see is a potential for US Treasury to intervene in our IRA, 401k to provide “lifetime income”. This sounds an awful lot like those shady “financial consultants” who sell annuities. Hand over your entire savings and they will trickle it out to you, taking a great big commission. I have to agree with the original poster that this looks like US Treasury taking our IRA, 401k savings and giving us just another monthly income check.


23 posted on 09/05/2010 4:56:34 AM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: jazzlite

why the hell should the rich care? the US has been kickin them in the gnads for decades. stealing their money and distributing it to the politically favored.

if the rich have found a way from this place, more power to them.

let the parasitic maggots eat themselves


24 posted on 09/05/2010 5:15:36 AM PDT by sten
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To: logos
I would like to know how one does that myself.

Me too!

The alternative, of course, is when they steal our retirement, invoke use of the second amendment for its intended purpose.

25 posted on 09/05/2010 5:19:57 AM PDT by meyer (Our own government has become our enemy,...)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

I don’t think this will happen in the current enviornment. If it did happen though, the crash in the stock market would be unbelievable as the govt. sold stocks to buy treasury securities.


26 posted on 09/05/2010 5:21:03 AM PDT by Phillipian (Post Tenebras Lux)
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To: mason-dixon
this looks like US Treasury taking our IRA, 401k savings and giving us just another monthly income check.

What specific words in either of the links I posted leads you to this conclusion?

27 posted on 09/05/2010 5:28:21 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: calcowgirl

ping for lucidity alert


28 posted on 09/05/2010 5:31:28 AM PDT by Sarah
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To: sten

Correction, they have been rhetorically kicking them in the gonads. The reality is that most “rich” as they like to define them already have their money and have sheltered them in trusts and all sorts of other legal means to keep the government away from it. ie., John Kerry’s boat.

This is all part of the elitists scam on the wage earner. Income (key word here) taxes are those levied directly against income. They don’t want us to spoil their “club” so they keep us at each other’s throats with the Dem/Rep, good cop/bad cop routine. This handicaps anyone aspiring to make it to the “club”.

What is prevelant here at FR is most of us are very distrustful of the Republican establishment with now evidenced by the actions of the NRSC, NRCC and RNC and of course our favorite Trent Lott.


29 posted on 09/05/2010 5:35:11 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd - Scott for FL Gov. - Miller AK US Senate)
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To: calcowgirl

PING


30 posted on 09/05/2010 5:41:56 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: Lexluthor69
I could SCREAM at the damned news media ... why do we have to find out about this at basically the last minute from FR (God Bless FR!). I don't read the Federal Register every day (duh) but having this come up so quickly without everyone knowing is frightening!

The problem with "they are just talking about it" means, for this crowd, they've got a full time staff already writing the legislation. I've written DeMint and Wilson (no sense in trying to write Graham, he's probably plotting something with McCain). If I get anything back, I'll post it.

But this sounds like one we should get "noisy" about darned quick.

31 posted on 09/05/2010 5:47:31 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: Sarah

Thanks.

Here is the agenda, which shows those participating in eight different panels. The Sep 14 meeting will be webcast from www.dol.gov/ebsa.

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/pdf/1210-AB33hearingagenda.pdf

DOL/Treasury Lifetime Income Public Hearing Agenda
September 14, 2010
9:00 a.m. — Opening Remarks
9:15 a.m. — Panel One
(snip)

They have requests from 779 people to testify at the hearings:
http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/cmt-1210-AB33.html


32 posted on 09/05/2010 6:07:38 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: calcowgirl

Correction - 779 responses to their request for comment and 44 requests to testify.


33 posted on 09/05/2010 6:12:43 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: Lexluthor69

The news release link doesn’t work for me.


34 posted on 09/05/2010 6:14:02 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: Liz

” Emanuel came from Wall Street where looting retirement funds is their fave occupation. These Wall Street connivers know how to make money disappear faster than a cream puff at a Weight Watcher weigh-in. “

Overfunded pension = my wallet ;-)


35 posted on 09/05/2010 6:33:11 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (((.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: ex-Texan

PING


36 posted on 09/05/2010 6:35:44 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (((.Go troops! " Vote out RINOS. They screw you EVERY time" Jim Robinson)
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To: calcowgirl

calcowgirl wrote: “The author is a nutcase, or is pulling an inflammatory headline from a nutcase. No one is talking about, or implying, confiscation.”

..... Swindlers rarely reveal their true intentions to the victim. I would suggest that only time will tell whether the author is a “nutcase”, or is simply better than you at reading between the lines of bureaucratic double-talk.

Here are a few questions to ponder -

Why, after about thirty long years of the IRA program being in existence, the sudden interest NOW?

Why do you think the government has suddenyl deemed it desirable to suddenly explore the idea of establishing a state-controlled annuity program when that area has been satisfactorily been handled by the private sector for generations.

Exactly what sort of involvement by the Department of Labor and the Department of the Treasury would you imagine to be useful or desirable as regards management of a citizen’s retirement savings?


37 posted on 09/05/2010 6:42:24 AM PDT by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: calcowgirl

What happened to the bond holders in the GM and Chrysler reorganizations?

Could not happen that way, could it.

After all the Constitution specifically mentions the protection of note holders.

Just could not happen here. No way. Your 401-K and IRA are safe.

Your government tells you so.


38 posted on 09/05/2010 6:44:01 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Prince of Space

“Our 401ks are unfortunately linked to our jobs and we can’t access them until we quit.”

Not true. You can take them out whenever you want, but you’ll have to pay taxes on the withdrawal and a penalty if you withdraw before the age of 59 1/2.


39 posted on 09/05/2010 7:08:57 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: calcowgirl

“provide lifetime income” implies a guarantee of a stream of income checks. The funding of this stream of income comes from somewhere. I infer that the government is investigating taking over annuities from the insurance companies, funded by the now-privately held IRA and 401K. Certainly, it will be sold as an option, then with a “you must opt out”, then with many conditions (regulations) on what limited subset of folks can opt out.


40 posted on 09/05/2010 7:10:55 AM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: Lexluthor69

If the politicians were stupid enough to do that they would be tracked downed and hanged.


41 posted on 09/05/2010 7:11:54 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

Track downed = tracked down. I need another cup of coffee.


42 posted on 09/05/2010 7:12:47 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Gaffer; Windflier

Anybody know where I could get a couple of AR-15’s and about 10,000j rounds?


43 posted on 09/05/2010 9:41:48 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Senator John Blutarski
I would suggest that only time will tell whether the author is a “nutcase”, or is simply better than you at reading between the lines of bureaucratic double-talk.

The author has been predicting the same thing for at least a decade (he wants you to buy gold). I've been involved in the bureaucratic double-talk business for twice that long. I am well aware of Government meddling and overreach; but this isn't it.

Why, after about thirty long years of the IRA program being in existence, the sudden interest NOW?

Did you read the Federal Register RFI that I linked above? They are discussing more than IRAs and this is not a "sudden interest" -- they have hearings and make regulatory changes all the time.

Why do you think the government has suddenyl deemed it desirable to suddenly explore the idea of establishing a state-controlled annuity program when that area has been satisfactorily been handled by the private sector for generations.

??? Where the heck did you get that? ("state-controlled annuity program"). Nothing in the source material states such a thing, nor implies it.

Exactly what sort of involvement by the Department of Labor and the Department of the Treasury would you imagine to be useful or desirable as regards management of a citizen’s retirement savings?

I guess you're not familiar with EBSA (the Employee Benefits Security Administration within the DOL)? You know, the folks that administer ERISA (the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 that covers a variety of retirement and health benefits in private industry.) And since there is specific qualification criteria for the variety of retirement programs, and corresponding taxation implications, the IRS (Treasury Department) is involved.

In short -- this is nothing new. They have these hearings and make changes to regulations, all the time. ERISA has had major modifications since 1974: COBRA, HIPAA, etc.

For your reading pleasure:

TITLE 29 - LABOR (as of January 5, 1999)
CHAPTER 18 - EMPLOYEE RETIREMENT INCOME SECURITY PROGRAM

44 posted on 09/05/2010 9:43:31 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: old curmudgeon

Of course, none of that is part of this discussion nor is it the subject of any of the source material.


45 posted on 09/05/2010 9:46:26 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: mason-dixon
“provide lifetime income” implies a guarantee of a stream of income checks. The funding of this stream of income comes from somewhere. I infer that the government is investigating taking over annuities from the insurance companies, funded by the now-privately held IRA and 401K.

You infer based on WHAT? The "provide lifetime income" refers to the PRIVATE retirement programs that are regulated under ERISA. They've been overseeing retirement programs for decades. That doesn't mean they are going to take them over or "confiscate" anything.

Certainly, it will be sold as an option, then with a “you must opt out”, then with many conditions (regulations) on what limited subset of folks can opt out.

Now you're just making crap up.

46 posted on 09/05/2010 9:54:54 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

When you are hungry and scared, they control you.


47 posted on 09/05/2010 9:57:18 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: calcowgirl

Better link to Title 29
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/29/usc_sec_29_00001001——000-.html


48 posted on 09/05/2010 10:00:19 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("In politics the middle way is none at all." -- John Adams)
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To: Lexluthor69

I can’t imagine anything that would get the people more on a rampage than this. Then again, those with their hands out don’t have any worries while those who don’t, have the most to lose. I still don’t think this would be a PEACEFUL action for the administration to try!


49 posted on 09/05/2010 11:09:09 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: CPT Clay
I'm sure my two uber progressive brothers (both with fat 401K accounts) never thought they were voting for this kind of "change".
50 posted on 09/05/2010 11:10:19 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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