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Killing the Texas Boaters Americans Won’t Kill
Hot Air ^ | October 2, 2010 | directorblue

Posted on 10/05/2010 6:53:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Rio Grande Valley’s KRGV television reports that another American was killed on Falcon Lake by an ‘undocumented worker’.* The frantic 911 call a wife made after her husband was shot by Mexican pirates has been released. It’s a first hand account of those terrifying moments on the water as David and Tiffany Hartley came under attack. In the end only Tiffany would survive. Dispatcher: Hello? Ma’am? Yes. Okay. Are you sure that your husband got shot? Tiffany: Yes. In his head. Dispatcher: Okay. Yeah. Was he thrown out of the jet ski that he’s in the water or something? Tiffany: He was thrown off the jet ski and I couldn’t pick him up to get him on mine. (sobbing) Oh God. Dispatcher: Ma’am? Were you shot at on the Mexican side or on the US side? So it was the Mexican Side. Okay, did you see anybody? Tiffany: There were three boats.

Tiffany Hartley told deputies she and her husband David were jet skiing near the town of old Guerrrero. Hartley told investigators her husband was shot in the head and killed. She says she was forced to leave his body behind as the gunmen fired more bullets at her… Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez Jr. thinks those boats were pirates working for the drug cartel. He’s been warning residents for months to stay off the water. The pirates are patrolling the Mexican side of the lake and robbing boaters at gun point. Gonzalez wants authorities in Mexico to search for David Hartley’s body, however he thinks it may already be too late. …Hartley did tell authorities after the shooting she got help from a man on shore… The good Samaritan wants to remain anonymous because he fears for his life… “Three boats approached them, waving guns talking in Spanish,” he said. “They got scared, spooked then they heard the gunshots going on. She could see they were hitting the water and the water was coming up at them…all of a sudden she sees her husband flying off.” Tiffany told him she turned around to go take care of her husband but two pirates went after her jetski. One pirate held a gun to her head. Once he left she tried to pull her husband body onto her jetski but she didn’t have the strength. …CHANNEL 5 NEWS has been tracking at least five violent incidents on the lake over the past 5 months. -April 30th: Four heavily armed men boarded two boats near the Old Guerrero area demanding money. -May 6th: Two armed men approached a boat near marker 14 and demanded cash. -May 16th: Five armed men boarded a boat on the United States side of the lake near marker 7. -Aug 31st: Falcon lake pirates, using a small boat marked “Game Wardin” tried to stop a Texas fisherman. Then of course the worst violence incident to date happened on Thursday September 30th when David Hartley was murdered. Authorities say the robbers are believed to be members of a drug trafficking organization. They’re heavily armed using AK-47s or AR-15 rifles to threaten their victims. Rather than sealing the border and shutting down Mexican drug cartels operating with impunity in the southwest, the Obama White House is instead suing Arizona and its law enforcement arms to prevent it from protecting American citizens. Remember this outrage when you enter the voting booth in November.

* The left-wing loon Gloria Allred claims the term ‘illegal alien’ is demeaning.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Local News; Politics
KEYWORDS: illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration
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We will.
1 posted on 10/05/2010 6:53:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe this is the start of a trend. Our government will deny it, of course.


2 posted on 10/05/2010 7:08:46 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Mexicans are getting paid 50$/hr, which Rino McCain says Americans won’t work for.


3 posted on 10/05/2010 7:10:26 PM PDT by Leisler ("Over time they create a legal system that plunders and a moral code that glorifies it." F. Bastiat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ok, I guess I’ll have to be the first. The wife is involved. Let me get this straight. They shoot HIM IN THE HEAD. He’s dead. But her? No, they just put a gun to her head. They don’t molest her, rape her (have you seen her? - I have!) and then just leave her even though she could obviously identify them. They leave, but instead of staying with the body of her husband she leaves. Smell? Oh yeah, it smells. Let me see. The other version is “we were on a cruise and she got drunk and fell over-board.” Smell-o-vision!


4 posted on 10/05/2010 7:15:09 PM PDT by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: Leisler

Something don’t smell right about this story.


5 posted on 10/05/2010 7:16:01 PM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Brilliant

Take comfort in the knowledge that The Rookie has said we’ll be able to absorb the next terrorist attack.


6 posted on 10/05/2010 7:19:16 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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To: Doc Savage; Leisler

Insurance scam? I’ve read the couple lived in Mexico for 2-1/2 years, returning to the U.S. just a few months ago. Mexico is a great place for a “dead” man to hide out-especially if he knows the country.


7 posted on 10/05/2010 7:29:30 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: Doc Savage

i saw her on fox this morning. The newslady asks her something like “why do you think they shot your husband?” and the wife says “i didn’t have anything do do with it! “ it was so weird and out of context and very defensive even though no one implied she had anything to do with it. weird.


8 posted on 10/05/2010 7:31:23 PM PDT by annelizly
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To: Doc Savage

I don’t know if she’s in involved but on ABC this morning she said they ignored warnings and went to the Mexican side of the lake because he wanted to take photos of an old mission church. That in no way excuses what happened to the husband, but knowing what goes on there I think it was a foolish risk.


9 posted on 10/05/2010 7:33:08 PM PDT by constitutiongirl ("Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal."---Leo Tolstoy)
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To: constitutiongirl

She needs a Perry Mason, pronto.


10 posted on 10/05/2010 7:47:33 PM PDT by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: pingman

Yea....I just saw her on Gretta......this story does not add up.....and her demeanor did not fit that of a grieving widow....more like a “grieving” beneficiary.......


11 posted on 10/05/2010 8:03:09 PM PDT by There You Go Again
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To: Doc Savage

yeah... that was my first thought....this seems a little contrived... think about it, they go into an area that they know is infested with drug cartels, that has recently had incidents with people out fishing and boating, causing warnings to be issued..... and then they wander over to the mexican side...pretty good way to try and cover up a crime.....


12 posted on 10/05/2010 8:44:18 PM PDT by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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I am bothered by this story. I saw her on an earlier rerun of an interview on FOX and she seems too controlled. Maybe she is on meds..Then I saw her on Greta and the sister in law was far more emotional about this than the wife seems to be..she seems so matter of fact.
The other thing that bothers me is that Falcon Lake is known to be a dangerous place to go and what sane person would go to the Mexican side when there are the pirates..At the same time it is well known the Mexican authorities are not all that helpful either and with the drug cartels in that area does anyone seriously think the cops in Mexico are going to really look for the perps? One day, if there indeed is a body in those waters it will wash up a la the Peterson case.

In many ways this does not pass the smell test..could he have been involved in drug trafficking?Or could they have been thought to have seen something?

13 posted on 10/05/2010 8:59:51 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: Doc Savage

What is this place?? Demo-rat underground??


14 posted on 10/05/2010 9:08:56 PM PDT by BigSkyDream
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To: Doc Savage

bttt

ditto, she did it.


15 posted on 10/05/2010 9:35:34 PM PDT by Fpimentel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Arm some WWII vintage Catalina flying boats and go after the pirates.


16 posted on 10/05/2010 10:01:03 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: celtic gal
I'm starting to wonder if it is a scheme for the husband to "disappear". Two things that are odd, the "witness" who wants to remain anonymous and from what I know of the story is the only one who has said they heard gunshots (I might be wrong about that) and I thought I heard something about it was a very calm day and there were other fishermen out there that didn't hear or see anything... ??? The other thing that makes NO sense is they went to the Mexican side because the husband wanted to get a look at an old mission???? If he was on a jet ski, I highly doubt he had a camera with him.....and was that REALLY a priority, knowing how dangerous the area is?? Also, it's pretty flat with low foliage, easy to see distance.... I would think if there were others out there they would have noticed something....
17 posted on 10/06/2010 6:21:21 AM PDT by Newton ('No arsenal is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.' -Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is the first report I've seen in many that indicates that a gun was held to her head.........

Lots of bits and pieces to this story from various sources. So it's hard to get a full grasped of what actually happened.

Apparently this couple lived in Reyonsa, Mexico for some 2 1/2 years before moving back to the US a couple of months ago. They may have had a false sense of security because of having been in Mexico for a while.

"Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez asked Tiffany, "You were returning from a day of sightseeing with David when this happened. I know that you had lived in Mexico for three years before moving back to the U.S. a couple of months ago. Did you know that there had been a spate of robberies on the lake? And did you have any concerns about going out that day?"

Tiffany replied, "We had heard about the pirates, and them robbing fishermen and whoever were over there. But we hadn't heard anything for several months. So, no, we had no concerns whatsoever of going over there, living in Reynosa, I mean, you live there for two and a half years, and we're not people who, you know, blend in. We stand out. We don't blend in. And we lived there, and we lived a life of no fear. That we were not going to stop living our life and adventures. David loves the history. That's what he loves. And that's why we were there that day."

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18 posted on 10/06/2010 6:29:02 AM PDT by deport (TEXAS -- Early Voting begins OCT. 18, 2010 (vote early and often)
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To: deport
Accounts that I've read indicated they were in the Old Guerrero area which is the red #12 circle on this map. If so they were well south of the border. This area attracts a lot of people to view the ruins of the town that was flooded when the lake was built. It's my understanding that a lot of the marinas on the US side and the Texas Parks and Wildlife have been warning about the violence that has been ongoing for the last few months.


19 posted on 10/06/2010 6:32:04 AM PDT by deport (TEXAS -- Early Voting begins OCT. 18, 2010 (vote early and often)
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To: celtic gal
Take a look at this article from the UK's Daily Mail:

Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez said Mrs Hartley's story was so incredible that at first he wondered if she had concocted it as a cover story after murdering her husband himself....Texas officials have been warning against activity on the lake after at least five reported run-ins with pirates this year. Previous hold-ups have never been deadly. 'I'm not trying to place the blame on her or him,' Gonzalez said. 'But we've told people not to go over there, and now this happens.' He told the Post: 'When I asked if she knew how dangerous it was to go to Mexico, she quickly changed the subject. 'I didn't pursue it. I didn't want her to feel guilty.'

The sheriff decided she's not guilty because she "was unable to stop sobbing".Maybe it's a hoax (for insurance money, for eg), maybe not, but the notion that a lot of tears automatically disproves guilt is based on how grief stricken people act in Hollywood movies, not reality. Plenty of people respond to grief by going into a nearly catatonic state. They are in a state of near-shock, and so they don't cry at all . So tears or lack thereof don't prove anything one way or another, and I do agree with you that this story seems a little "off".

20 posted on 10/06/2010 6:36:43 AM PDT by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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