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Democrats Think We're Slaves
Town Hall ^ | 10/17/10 | reasonmclucus

Posted on 10/18/2010 12:33:31 PM PDT by kathsua

he scariest part of the Democrats "Obamacare" legislation is the fact that Democrats believe we are nothing more than elements of Interstate Commerce. The last time the federal government treated human beings as elements of Interstate Commerce was during slavery.

The federal government has traditionally excluded small businesses with under $500,000 in sales that don't sell across state lines from Interstate Commerce regulations such as the minimum wage law. So how can individual Americans be considered elements of Interstate Commerce?

Commerce involves the transfer of money or property by entities that exist for that purpose. Democrats seem to feel that if you have a job or buy food you are a business enterprise rather than a human being with the right to make your own decisions about what to do with the portion of the money you earn that the government lets you keep.

It shouldn't be surprising that Democrats think of us as slaves considering that the Democratic Party was the party of slavery. Before you bring up Barack Obama's color keep in mind that if his African ancestors had any association with American slavery it was because they captured and/or sold slaves not because they were slaves.

"Socialism" is a word that is often thrown around without anything more than a vague definition. Some people take a simplistic view that if government does something it's socialism.

The Russian government that called itself a "Socialist Republic" provides an example of what socialism is. What the Soviet Union called socialism is basically the system that existed under the Russian emperor and old European monarchies. The only significant difference was that the government was not headed by an hereditary monarch but by a small group of people one of whom served as leader until he died or was deposed by the others.

Under socialism people are treated as the property of the government (emperor). Under socialism people belong to the government. Under our system the government is supposed to belong to the people.

Under socialism the government controls the people, in some cases even determining their careers. Under our system the people are supposed to control the government.

Under socialism the people serve the government. Under our system government is supposed to serve the people

Under socialism government tells people what they must do. Under our system, government tells people what they cannot do, especially to each other.

Obamacare is socialism under this definition because government attempts to control people's private lives by forcing them to purchase insurance regardless of their personal needs and desires.

The Democrats are telling young adults they don't have an option of using money to start a business or purchase a home before starting to buy insurance. Obama is like Mr. Potter in "It's a Wonderful Life" who wanted people to pay rent to him instead of having an opportunity to using the rent money to pay on a mortgage. Many young adults would like to save the money they would spend on health insurance to use as a down payment on a home.

Medicare and Medicaid are not socialism because the money for them comes from taxes assessed to the general working population. Individuals have the option of other insurance or paying their own bills and coverage is not based on how much has been paid with the exception of the optional Medicare coverage. Medicare recipients are expected to meet a minimum residence requirement and have to have paid the tax before becoming eligible.

A government health insurance program based on general taxes that allowed individuals to have private insurance or pay their own medical costs if they wanted to would not be socialistic. Such a program would be socialistic if it prohibited people from having private insurance or restricted the treatment they could purchase.

Democrats support for Obamacare demonstrates their limited intelligence. They are like children in that they are incapable of seeing unwanted consequences of their actions.

Most Democrats believe that women should be able to make their own decisions about having abortions. The Supreme Court says government has only limited authority to restrict abortion because of the individual right to privacy.

If government can control health care decisions on the grounds that humans are elements of Interstate Commerce than individuals no longer have a right to privacy in health care decisions. Government can prohibit medical procedures, including abortions, as a means of limiting health care costs. Persons have a right to privacy, but elements of commerce do not.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; commerce; communism; obamacare; slaveryparty; slaves
Interesting definition of socialism.

I like the idea of using Interstate Commerce to prohibit abortion if the courts accept Obamacare.

1 posted on 10/18/2010 12:33:33 PM PDT by kathsua
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To: kathsua

“Democrats think of us as slaves . . .”

And this is a surprise because?


2 posted on 10/18/2010 12:35:08 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (I can see November from my house.)
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To: kathsua
Those who work and pay taxes ARE slaves.

See tagline.

3 posted on 10/18/2010 12:39:54 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: kathsua

The only real objection Democrats have to slavery in pre-Civil War America is that the slaves were privately owned.


4 posted on 10/18/2010 12:48:35 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: kathsua; All

5 posted on 10/18/2010 12:48:44 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: kathsua

How very funny. The fact is we are slaves to the collective, each and every one of us.

What we earn does not belong to us.


6 posted on 10/18/2010 1:11:03 PM PDT by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: unixfox
I have been thinking about how to hold a mock slave auction in front of the IRS building

Perhaps call it “performance art”

7 posted on 10/18/2010 1:17:00 PM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: kathsua
The federal government has traditionally excluded small businesses with under $500,000 in sales that don't sell across state lines from Interstate Commerce regulations such as the minimum wage law. So how can individual Americans be considered elements of Interstate Commerce?

Here's the answer to this mystifying question that has everyone scratching their heads. Ready? Here it comes: the word "individual" in federal, state, county and municipal codes means... personal corporation. As in, your personal existence as a "natural person" treated as a corporation.

And of course, corporations are created and controlled by the government.

So how did you, as as natural person, become an individual corporation?

No one said you have - not even the government. They just presume you have. It's up to you to find a way to explain to them that their presumption is wrong.

Oh, and if you're thinking about going to court about it, you might consider another judicial presumption first - by stepping into the courtroom, or filing papers, or basically asking the court to rule in any way on your status, the court presumes that you are under it's jurisdiction in order for it to rule on your case. But... it only ever "chooses" to sit in it's corporate administrative jurisdiction capacity. Which means it rules that just by showing up before it, you admit you're a corporation.

Next.

8 posted on 10/18/2010 2:13:22 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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