Posted on 12/30/2010 9:24:48 AM PST by Kaslin
I believe that the president was born in Hawaii. But am I the only curious cat who thinks it's rather odd for that state's newly-elected governor, plus Chris Matthews of MSNBC, both liberal Democrats, to have just forced the "Birther" issue to rise again?
Am I the only curious cat in America who thinks it rather odd that the newly elected governor of Hawaii — a liberal Democrat — has just forced the “Birther” issue to rise again?
Not only has Hawaii’s governor-elect, Neil Abercrombie, just announced that he is on a mission to bury the “Birther” issue, but Chris “Obama-sends-a-tingle-up-my-leg” Matthews now wants to know why President Obama doesn’t release the darned document and put this relentlessly pursuing ghost to rest once and for all.
If Abercrombie and Matthews were utterly desperate Republican operatives, hog-tied to a sinking political ship, I might understand the newly reincarnated brouhaha. But both these men are as-liberal-as-liberal-gets Democrats. And Republicans, at this juncture, are anything but desperate. They are set to begin the 112th Congress with the clout of a mid-term election landslide not seen since 1938.
So, what on earth would motivate a governor-elect with more real problems than any sane man would want on his plate to go fiddling around in an issue which for all intents and purposes is as dead as a doornail?
It simply makes no sense in the real world, where real unemployment still hovers at double-digits, where the president is about to face a real hostile Congress, and in an atmosphere where the season’s holly- jolly spirit is about to melt faster than snow on the ground in Atlanta.
If you ask me, this folderol of reincarnating the “Birther” issue by two prominent liberal Democrats just smacks of orchestrated political psy-ops. Hoping to get a prominent and public rise out of Republicans and/or conservative pundits, these two utterly loyal-to-the-president guys — Abercrombie and Matthews — are simply creating a diversion in the hopes that their party can regain some of the traction it’s lost over the past 2 years.
Now, I’ve never fit the standard, press-defined definition of a “Birther.” I do believe that the president was born in Hawaii. I’ve written only one column on the “Birther” controversy and that was back in August 2009. As I opined back then, the whole controversy has legs because of the complete dearth of documentation regarding this president. No presidential candidate of the past 30 years has been permitted the level of secrecy and non-disclosure that President Obama received.
To date the following are all undisclosed:
1) 1961 long-form, original, signed birth certificate
2) Marriage license between Obama’s father (Barak Sr.) and mother (Stanley Ann Dunham) — not found, not released
3) Obama’s baptism records — sealed
4) Obama’s adoption records — sealed
5) Records of Obama’s and his mother’s repatriation as U.S. citizens on return from Indonesia — not found, not released
6) Name change (Barry Sotero to Barack Hussein Obama) records — not found, not released
7) Noelani Elementary School (Hawaii) — not released
8 ) Punahou School financial aid or school records — not released
9) Occidental College financial aid records — not released.
10) Columbia College records — not released
11) Columbia senior thesis — not released
12) Harvard Law School records — not released
13) Obama’s law client list — sealed
14) Obama’s files from career as an Illinois state senator — sealed
15) Obama’s record with Illinois State Bar Association — sealed
16) Obama’s medical records — not released
17) Obama’s passport records — not released
In my opinion — as a civics-minded citizen — Obama’s as yet unreleased original long-form birth certificate from the state of Hawaii is merely the tip of a mysterious iceberg when it comes to the 44th president of the United States. Any journalist worth an ounce of salt would be curious as to why any presidential candidate would conceal nearly every documented item from his own past. Obviously, America does not have many remaining curious journalists.
For the entire campaign season of ’07-’08, the nation witnessed hordes of “journalists” hot on the trail of Sarah Palin’s wardrobe costs, her final pregnancy and childbirth, and her unwed daughter’s pregnancy. We American voters were privy in ‘08 to seeing the complete, suicidal destruction of a once-heralded media enterprise. Rather than take the responsible position of delving into the very, very important and pertinent non-disclosures of a presidential candidate, these media buffoons chose to lampoon the lady from Alaska with adolescent-styled mischief. The campaign coverage was so bad, so childish, so without real substance that on election day, voters still knew next to nothing of substance about the man who would be their next president.
Which brings us back to the original question as to why on earth the Democrat duo of Abercrombie and Matthews would want to raise the all-but-dead “Birther” issue. The country has beyond-huge problems on its plate and Obama has two years to go before his reelection bid.
As much as I detest Chris Matthews, he makes a very salient point, when he asks why on earth the president hasn’t just released the darned document. Barack Obama has been the defendant in more than a dozen eligibility lawsuits since 2008. He has employed legal counsel to answer every one of them; lawyers do not serve free for millionaires like Obama. The cost of supplying the long-form, original birth certificate, which has been said by many officials to be on file in Hawaii, is approximately $15. No matter how one does arithmetic, $15 is bound to be less than Obama has paid lawyers to prevent the release of said document.
Now, we have the governor-elect of Hawaii saying that he will take pains to have state law revised which will enable him to legally release “certain details” contained on the original birth certificate — presumably prior to the 2012 presidential election. It is possible, I suppose, that there are details on that birth certificate which belie the Obama narrative, details that might prove a substantive embarrassment of some sort.
A president elected on the strength of a narrative must protect that narrative at all costs. Abercrombie and Matthews are merely carrying water for the Obama narrative and attempting to divert the public’s attention from more substantive issues, namely the remaining dearth of real background data on the 44th president of the United States.
Journalism certainly isn’t what it used to be. Nor is it even a shade of what it’s supposed to be. Shame is too mild a word.
For all the modern press notables that slam Sarah Palin’s lack of intellectual curiosity, there isn’t a single American journalist who has demonstrated even a speck of the stuff when it comes to Barack Obama. It’s a purely disgusting state of affairs.
End of story.
Yes Triple I’ve seen what you’ve described used by Clintonests who are influence by Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals ideology.
Whatever the tactics these anti-Americans use, Americans must demand that all Soetoro records be release for verification and if Soetoro doesn’t he should be voted out.
And after he is voted out the full force of the government should be employed to ascertain whether he and his accomplishes defrauded the United States of America by Usurping the presidency.
Apparently his handlers have come up with what they feel is a suitably precisely rendered false long-form BC, and finished putting in place all the little bits and sundries, support actors, etc., for his new "legend." They're ready to trot out the concoction and test their fieldcraft on the American public.
They overlooked something, and if they are allowed or encouraged to proceed with this charade, it is going to blow up in their faces. Just my considered opinion.
To create an entity, a human life story, from whole cloth and pass it off under what will be the most intense scrutiny--employing the most advanced technology in human history--is no longer possible. They missed something, and we'll find it.
;-\
The last election gave the pubbies a super majority in both state houses and the governorships of many states.
Our newly elected governor actually called Obama out on this already...
Nathan Deal Birther Letter Sent To Obama, White House Confirms
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/13/nathan-deal-birther-lette_n_422171.html
I guess I'd be curious to know what this "belief" is based upon.
ML/NJ
They better hope they get the raised HI State Seal correct this time...
Far more important than any birth certificate are: adoption records, passport documents, financial aid forms.
My guess is that Barack Obama was adept at claiming US, Indonesian, Kenyan, British and possibly Canadian nationality as it suited him for educational/financial/travel purposes.
These guys know that the states are going to start passing laws requiring obama to show his birth certificate before the next election. So it seems to me that they are trying to completely squash this controversy before the next election cycle begins. They know that they are going to have to come up with a birth certificate eventually, so they’re doing it now. I have no doubt that this has been planned out ahead of time
The whole thing with Abercrombie is weird beyond words.
Allegedly, Abercrombie was friends with Ann Dunham and BHO, Sr. when they were students, and saw them with the baby during those days. Yet, her friends claim she was in WA within weeks of the birth, Sr went off to MA, and they were divorced within two years.
Then, Abercrombie is in DC during BHO Jr’s entire two year term in the Senate, (overlapping with his nearly two year presidential campaign) and during his first 2 years in the White House. During all that time, this old ‘family friend’ never suggested it’d be easier to release his birth certificate? He waits till he’s back in HI, and as gov has control over all state records?
One would think with BHO, Jr’s obsession with his absent father, he’d have wanted to spend time with the one person who claims to have known and socialized with both his parents, and to have seen them with their baby.
None of this adds up. None of it.
...it only took them 3 years to come up with a good fake...soon to be released to Chrissy Matthews for American consumption since he surprisingly asked about last week. See how it works?
It doesn’t matter. It is undeniable that his father was not a US citizen... therefore, BHO is not a “natural born citizen”. Period.
The “snack bar” group:
http://www.theobamafile.com/_family/Senior.htm
The Abercrombie brothers, Neil and then Hal, had escaped the darkness of Buffalo, NY, to attend graduate school in Honolulu. Along with their friends Peter Gilpin, Chet Gorman, and Pake Zane, they hung out at the “snack bar” in an old Army-barracks-style building near their business classes. They fancied themselves as intellectuals, experimenters, outsiders, somewhere between beatniks and hippies.
It was there, that they met Barack Hussein Obama Sr. The group was immediately taken by the one and only African student in their midst. “He was very black, probably the blackest person I’ve ever met,” recalled Zane, a Chinese-Hawaiian, who now runs an antiques shop a few miles from the university.
Members of the snack bar crowd don’t remember the Obama-Dunham relationship. In this report, Hal Abercrombie said he never saw them together. Pake Zane could not recall Ann from those days but had precise memories of Senior.
However, Neil Abercrombie, the Democratic congressman from Hawaii, was part of those regular gatherings and claims that Anna was “the original feminist.” Abercrombie says he remembered her appearing at some of the weekend gatherings. Obama was such a strong personality, he said, that he could see how the young woman was awed and overwhelmed by him.
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Neil Abercrombie:
(no link)
ELECTION 2000
Honolulu Advertiser, The (HI) - Monday, October 23, 2000 Author: Advertiser Final, Roth Susan, Staff ... The Neil Abercrombie file
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Career experience: College teacher, 1959-63; probation officer, Marin County, Calif., 1964-67; sociologist, 1967-74; college professor, 1979-80; consultant, 1983-87, 1989-90; assistant Hawaii superintendent of education, 1987-88. Elected Hawaii House of Representatives, 1974-78; Hawaii Senate, 1978-86; U.S. House, 1986-87; Honolulu City Council, 1988-90; U.S. House, 1990-present.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2007/12/13/ST2007121301893.html
Thoughts of his father “bubble up,” as Barack Obama puts it in an interview, “at different moments, at any course of the day or week.”
“I think about him often,” he says.
(snip)
Years later, after “Little Barry” had become an Illinois state senator and had unsuccessfully challenged Rep. Bobby L. Rush (D-Ill.) for a congressional seat, Abercrombie telephoned Obama to let him know that he had been a friend of his father’s. Obama was grateful for the call, Abercrombie says, but left the impression that “he didn’t want to pursue it.”
Though both now serve in Congress and Abercrombie is an ardent supporter of Obama’s presidential campaign, they have never discussed his dad. “We’ve never explored it, not even a little bit,” Abercrombie says. “And that might have something to do with him.”
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Hal Abercrombie:
Friday, March 20, 2009
Watch Hal Abercrombie at the piano, playing standards or his originals, and you can see how passionate he is about music. What you can’t see is the series of circumstances, that only he could’ve scripted, that led him to become a musician.
Before moving from San Francisco to Wellington with his wife, Shirley, in 2000, Abercrombie spent 10 years as a cowboy – driving herds of cattle through the American West, lecturing on the region’s history, and running a Western gift gallery. Before that, the Buffalo, N.Y., native’s occupations included teacher and corrections officer.
“I’ve reinvented myself professionally every 10 years, and Shirley’s gone along with it,” says the ever-animated, seemingly ageless Abercrombie, 68. “I’m the luckiest man in the world to have her. I’d dreamed of becoming a piano player; started in 1999, and I’m sticking with it now. I want to see how good I can get.”
http://www.pbpulse.com/music/2009/03/20/local-music-piano-player-latest-vocation-in-meandering-path/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/22/AR2008082201679_5.html
On his way east, Obama stopped in San Francisco and went to dinner at the Blue Fox in the financial district with Hal Abercrombie, who had moved to the city with his wife, Shirley. Abercrombie would never forget that dinner; he thought it showed the worst side of his old friend, a combination of anger and arrogance that frightened him. Shirley was a blonde with a high bouffant hairdo, and when she showed up at the side of Hal and Barack, the maitre d’ took them to the most obscure table in the restaurant. Obama interpreted this as a racial slight. When the waiter arrived, Obama tore into him, shouting that he was an important person on his way to Harvard and would not tolerate such treatment, Abercrombie recalled. “He was berating the guy and condescending every time the waiter came to our table. There was a superiority and an arrogance about it that I didn’t like.”
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Pake Zane:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/May/05/bz/FP705050331.html
A. Pake Zane spent 10 years traveling the world beginning in the late 1960s, living and playing in such places as Africa, Denmark, India and England.
During part of his journey, his travel partner was future Congressman Neil Abercrombie. In Denmark, Zane met Julie Lauster, who would become his travel mate, wife and business partner.
Life on the road for the long-haired, bearded hippie was exciting and it fulfilled a childhood dream of traveling around the world.
(snip)
His stops included Canada, Uganda, India, Nepal, the Netherlands, Denmark, England, Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya, Thailand, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan and Korea.
By the time Zane returned to Hawai’i in 1976, he said he was “pretty much unemployable,” so he started his own business. He began to collect stuff off the streets, cleaning and repairing the items and selling them at swap meets.
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2002/08/13/features/story1.html
A. Pake Zane, another appraiser for the sessions, may be a pack rat, but he is no collector. Everything in the back third of his Antique Alley — a collective rented by several antique retailers — is for sale, even his father’s University of Hawaii letterman jacket, his own Roosevelt High School letterman jacket and the McKinley High School yearbooks with his mother’s picture inside. “It’s just stuff to me,” he said. “Everything is valuable, nothing is sacred. I cannot afford to be a collector.”
Instead, Zane considers himself a “cultural recycler.” With partner Julie Lauster, Zane runs the entire store, which he said specializes in variety. From a mid-1900s Hala Hawaii muumuu with butterfly sleeves selling for $1,200, to authentic stone taro pounders at around $180, to old black-and-white photographs running from 50 cents to upward of $375, the store is jam-packed with “stuff.” Chairs are for boxes and antiques, not people. “We do a lot of cluttering,” he mused.
Zane and Lauster started as swap-meet vendors in 1976 and have been buying and selling antiques since. “A lot of it comes out of the garbage,” Zane said. “At one time, I was a pretty good Dumpster diver.”
Barack Hussein Obama Sr’s trip to Honolulu in Dec 1971 was bracketed by two trips that Obama’s old snack bar friends from the University of Hawaii made to see him in Kenya. Late in 1968, Neil Abercrombie and Pake Zane traveled through Nairobi on a year-long backpacking trip around the world and stayed with Obama for several days before they made their way on to the port city of Mombasa and to India. No mention was made of Stanley “Ann” Dunham or Barack Hussein Obama Jr.
http://www.theobamafile.com/_family/Anna.htm
There is conflicting information about this period. Members of the snack bar crowd don’t remember the Obama-Dunham relationship. In this report, Hal Abercrombie said he never saw them together. Pake Zane could not recall Ann from those days but had precise memories of Senior.
However, Neil Abercrombie, the Democratic congressman from Hawaii, was part of those regular gatherings and described Anna as “the original feminist.” Abercrombie says he remembered her appearing at some of the weekend gatherings. Obama was such a strong personality, he said, that he could see how the young woman was awed and overwhelmed by him.
“She was a girl, and what I mean by that is she was only 17 and 18, just out of high school. And he brought her at different times. She mostly observed because she was a kid. Everybody there was pretty high-powered grad-student types.”
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Chet Gorman:
wiki:
Chester F. Gorman (March 11, 1938 – June 7, 1981) was an American anthropologist and archaeologist.
Born in Oakland, California, he grew up on his parent’s dairy farm in Elk Grove. He studied at the Sacramento State University and the University of Hawaii, where he also got his MA and his PhD.
Chester Gorman worked mostly in Southeast Asia. Among the most significant sites he worked are Ban Chiang in northeast Thailand and Spirit Cave in northwest Thailand, one of the major Hoabinhian sites.
He died of cancer at age 43 in Sacramento.
http://www.anthropology.hawaii.edu/Projects/Ban%20Chiang/Skeletons/
Around this time, Chet Gorman was finishing his Ph.D. at Hawaii and soon would be joining U. of Penn and organizing the field program at Ban Chiang. Chet envisioned a multidisciplinary, multi-national project that would introduce international standards for archaeological research to Thailand. With the generous support of the Ford Foundation, Chet arranged for me and several other specialists (e.g., Douglas Yen, palaeoenthnobotanist), to join him and FAD (Fine Arts Dept.) codirector Pisit Charoenwongsa for the first season (1974) of excavations at Ban Chiang.
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Peter Gilpin:
http://www.jstor.org/pss/124120
The Hoabinhian and After: Subsistence Patterns in Southeast Asia ...
by C Gorman - 1971 - Cited by 97 - Related articles
Peter R. Gilpin, Archaeological Photographer, University of Hawaii, ...
pipl
No, Chrissy is lying slow leak. The salient point has been asked by millions since early 2008.
Why little Chrissy would berate the world on his Softball proclaiming that Obummer already showed the world his [forged] Hawaiian birth certificate. "Salient point" my foot.
Foolproof forgeries finally completed?
If that's what's in play - you're right- the desperate gambit is not going to work.
He bears absolutely no resemblance to Barack Hussein Obama Sr. I sincerely doubt that he is the father.
“barack hussein obama” is a complete fraud.
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