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Does Obama Want the Best for America or Does He Want to Destroy It?
American Thinker ^ | 2-13-11 | Jack Kerwick

Posted on 02/13/2011 6:26:57 AM PST by radioone

Among pundits on the right, there has been disagreement for quite some time over the fundamental motives informing President Obama's agenda. Essentially two schools of thought on the matter have emerged.

One school insists that while the president's policy prescriptions are indeed ultimately destructive, he nevertheless genuinely believes that their implementation is what's best for the country. This is the position taken by the likes of, say, Bill O'Reilly and nationally syndicated radio talk show host Michael Medved.

Members of the other school are convinced that Obama is resolved to weaken America. Only a determination on his part to diminish the country's military and economic preeminence in the world and traditional liberties at home can account for an agenda that is so obviously destructive of the nation that we have always known. Among the most illustrious exponents of this view is Rush Limbaugh.

Adherents of the first position think that the adherents of the second line are idiotic, if not "crazy" (although, interestingly, they haven't dared to call out by name "the King of talk radio" who has been in the vanguard of advancing it); champions of the latter believe that the former are naïve and confused.

This may come as a shock to both sets of apologists, but a synthesis of their perspectives is attainable.

Though there have been more than a few thinkers who have quarreled with it, the thesis that no one ever chooses evil for its own sake has an impressive pedigree stretching back into antiquity. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and Christian theorists up to the present day have affirmed that evil is always done for the sake of some perceived good -- pleasure, riches, power, fame, love, and so forth. It is in light of this principle that we can hope to go some distance in reconciling these two competing positions on Obama's intentions.

The idea that the President of the United States wakes up each morning scheming over how he may ruin the country over which he presides is, of course, the stuff of fantasy. Contrary to what the Michael Medveds insinuate, however, I don't think for a second that either Rush or the legions of people who share his view of Obama entertain this view. Still, given the baldness with which Rush and others have stated their position, I suppose it lends itself to this caricature.

But it is similarly foolish to think that it is from nothing other than the union of an ignorance of the most basic economic principles and a comparable ignorance of history that the President's obviously destructive policies are begotten. Regrettably, to hear O'Reilly and Medved speak, one could be forgiven for concluding that this is what they really think.

While discussing this issue with a friend of mine recently, he reminded me of C.S Lewis' argument regarding the Jesus who is presented to us in the pages of the New Testament: either Jesus was the Son of God, as He claimed, or else He was an egomaniac or a madman. Given the self-referential remarks that the Biblical authors attribute to Jesus, there is simply no other alternative. Likewise, my friend continued, Obama's utterances and deeds are born of either an invincible ignorance of their consequences -- in which case he is without question the most incompetent president of all time -- or a plan to ruin America -- in which case he is indeed guilty of the designs that Rush and others ascribe to him. There is no third possibility.

Or maybe there is.

Obama knows that his economic policies are productive of neither liberty as traditionally conceived by Americans nor prosperity. He would have to be, not just the most incompetent president ever, but among the most dense of human beings, for given the extensive exposure that he has had to both Keynesian and neo-Marxian philosophy -- anyone who takes the time to read his memoirs, particularly his first, and who considers the worldview of the people with whom he has surrounded himself for most of his life would know this -- he could only know by now full well the fruits that these policies promise to reap.

But from this it doesn't follow that Obama anticipates the ruination of America as such. There can be no doubt, I think, that he wants to preside over an America that is morally superior and, hence, better, than the country that elected him two years ago. The problem, though, is that the America of Obama's imaginings is radically unlike the America to which most of its citizens have an acquired affection and even more unlike the America within which their ancestors made their home. That is, the "fundamental transformation" that Obama wants to visit upon America demands nothing more or less than the death of America as it is currently constituted; only once America as a living reality is eliminated can America as Obama's ideal be substituted for it.

The philosopher Ronald Dworkin once said that "a more equal society" -- a society the resources of which are equally "distributed" -- is better than the contrary, even if its citizens prefer inequality. Anyone who has paid any attention at all to Obama must know that he couldn't agree more with this thought.

So, our president does indeed think that as a people, Americans will be "better" in the wake of the "fundamental transformation" that he wants to impose upon us. So the O'Reillys and Medveds are correct in this respect. However, neither Rush, myself, nor the large numbers of Americans who love the liberties which our forefathers labored indefatigably to bequeath to us are likely to receive much consolation from this. After all, the fact remains that his intentions aside, our president is determined to see the historic nation that is the real America go the way of the dinosaur.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: blackliberation; communist; fascist; madman; obama; revolution; traitor; treasonous
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1 posted on 02/13/2011 6:26:58 AM PST by radioone
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To: radioone

Seems like the latter.


2 posted on 02/13/2011 6:28:36 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: radioone

or C: None of the above.


3 posted on 02/13/2011 6:28:48 AM PST by Sundog (It takes a darn good reason for me to break down and post something these days.)
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To: radioone

I think he wants to play golf and go to parties.


4 posted on 02/13/2011 6:32:47 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: radioone

Destroy it while “Livin’ Large On Da Man!”


5 posted on 02/13/2011 6:34:01 AM PST by Redleg Duke (I DO NOT BELIEVE THE LIBERAL MEDIA!)
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To: radioone

Given the events of the past two years I am literally stunned that anyone even has to ask such a stupid question.


6 posted on 02/13/2011 6:34:49 AM PST by Thermalseeker (The theft being perpetrated by Congress and the Fed makes Bernie Maddoff look like a pickpocket.)
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To: radioone

This guy’s take is interesting and thoughtful but I am of the mind that Obama is a muslim at heart and wants to bring down the great satan to appease allah and fulfill his idealogical satisfaction.


7 posted on 02/13/2011 6:36:27 AM PST by rj45mis
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To: radioone
How can I justify spending my time reading something that begins with a stupid question.

Does Obama Want the Best for America or Does He Want to Destroy It?

After two years how can one even write such a stupid question with a straight face?

8 posted on 02/13/2011 6:38:18 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: radioone

Marxists want to destroy western civilization, America specifically, and rebuild it into their fantasyland utopia.

Barack Hussein 0bama is a marxist.


9 posted on 02/13/2011 6:39:27 AM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: radioone

I think he is an idealogue, bent on implementing what he believes is right irrespective of whether it is good for the country or not. He is so committed to his ideology that he is unable to conceive the damage that he’s doing. He is a disaster.


10 posted on 02/13/2011 6:40:36 AM PST by AlwaysThinking (Pray, Christian 2 Chron 7:14)
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To: radioone

What a dumb question. Destroying America is what he thinks is best for America.

There. Solved the dilemma.


11 posted on 02/13/2011 6:41:21 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: radioone
"One school insists that while the president's policy prescriptions are indeed ultimately destructive, he nevertheless genuinely believes that their implementation is what's best for the country. This is the position taken by the likes of, say, Bill O'Reilly and nationally syndicated radio talk show host Michael Medved. "

Dope Bill O'Reilly also describes Black Liberation communist, cop killer admirer, Marc Lamont Hill as a "liberal".

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The Extreme Makeover of Fox News: Analyst Marc Lamont Hill ["Black Liberation" revolutionary communist]
Accuracy In Media - AIM Column ^ | October 2, 2009 | Cliff Kincaid

Who would plaster his Twitter page with police mug shot photos of convicted cop-killer Assata Shakur (aka Joanne Chesimard)? Fox News contributor Marc Lamont Hill did. At least until David Horowitz and Accuracy in Media took notice and wrote about it. Now the page features photos of boxing great Muhammad Ali. Hill's MySpace page is also gone.

There are other changes as well. The tributes to Shakur and black racist Khallid Muhammad, known as "America's Black Hitler," have disappeared from his web pages. The articles were saved, however, and can be found here.

(Excerpt) Read more at aim.org ...
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"I, however, will remember Dr. Khallid [Muhammad] for what he truly was: mentor, teacher and revolutionary hero" -Marc Lamont Hill

Source: Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media (AIM) - pdf file:
http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/MarcLamontHillarticles.pdf
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From David Horowitz's
FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org

PROFILE: KHALID ABDUL MUHAMMAD


12 posted on 02/13/2011 6:42:34 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: radioone
"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
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"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09
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"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obama’s circle: The same old America-hating Left
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=&w=MA==
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From American Thinker, September 16, 2008
Article: Obama's Foul Weather Friends
By Scott Swett and Roger Canfield

"As a gesture of solidarity, the Vietnamese who [Bernardine] Dohrn met in Budapest presented her with a ring made from an American aircraft shot down over North Vietnam. Bill Ayers would receive a similar ring while meeting with Vietnamese communists in Toronto. He later recalled being so moved by the gesture that he 'left the room to cry.' "

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obamas_foul_weather_friends.html
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From the Chicago Sun Times, November 13, 2008:

Ayers: Obama was 'family friend'
New afterword to 2001 book, Ayers describes Barack Obama as 'family friend'

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1278532,bill-ayers-barack-obama-book-111308.article#
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Obama Gave Bill Ayers' Book a Rave Review

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Source: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31617_Obama_Gave_Bill_Ayers_Book_a_Rave_Review/comments/#ctop

13 posted on 02/13/2011 6:44:02 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: radioone

"Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal".--James (Jim) Cone,
African American Religious Thought: An Anthology (Paperback)
by Cornel West (Editor), Eddie S. Glaude Jr. (Editor)
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SEAN HANNITY: But Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not backing down and has not for years and in his strong stance on the teaching of black liberation theology is nothing new. He had the same things to say last spring when he appeared on "Hannity & Colmes:"

WRIGHT: If you're not going to talk about theology in context, if you're not going to talk about liberation theology that came out of the '60s, systematized black liberation theology that started with Jim Cone in 1968 and the writings of Cone and the writings of Dwight Hopkins and the writings of womynist theologians and Asian theologians and Hispanic theologians, then you can't talk about the black value system.

HANNITY: But I'm a — reverend

WRIGHT: Do you know liberation theology, sir?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354158,00.html
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Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama’s pastor in a heated interview about his Church’s teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02
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Catholics for Marx [Liberation Theology]
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004

In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.

The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=460782B7-35CC-4C9E-A2C5-93832067C7CD
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"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410
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From the New York Times, August 24, 2003

"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."

Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E4DE1539F937A1575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
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Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright and Dr. William Ayers
are greeted by Rebekah Levin with the Committee
for a Just Peace in Israel and Palestine.
(Chuck Berman/Chicago Tribune / May 17, 2009)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-ayers_wrightmay18,0,6689521.story

14 posted on 02/13/2011 6:45:04 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: radioone

I think that Kerwick is right that Obama has a vision of an America that would be better than what we have. He wants to do what he can to replace the latter with the former. Osama Bin Laden also has a vision of a “better” America, one that has accepted Islam and submitted to the Caliphate. Hitler and Stalin also had their own visions about what would be best for America (and the rest of the world), submission to Nazism or Communism. So, in a sense, each of these leaders wants to bring about what he thinks is good, and, in that sense, none of them has evil intentions. But each sees the versions of the good that conflict with his own as evil, as something standing in the way of what would be for the best.
What the American experiment brought to the fore was not so much a new version of the good as a focus on process. No matter how convinced you are of the truth of your vision of the good, you must convince others to willingly accept it, and cannot impose it by force. Government must secure the consent of the governed.


15 posted on 02/13/2011 6:45:57 AM PST by Stirner
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To: radioone

There is absolutely NO doubt in my mind that he is out to destroy it!


16 posted on 02/13/2011 6:49:07 AM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Stirner
Hitler and Stalin also had their own visions about what would be best for America (and the rest of the world), submission to Nazism or Communism.

Ego maniacs like these don't give a rat's rear end about what's 'best' for anyone else. They think about themselves only.

17 posted on 02/13/2011 6:49:12 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: radioone
I think he nails it in his conclusion:

"There can be no doubt, I think, that he wants to preside over an America that is morally superior and, hence, better, than the country that elected him two years ago. The problem, though, is that the America of Obama's imaginings is radically unlike the America to which most of its citizens have an acquired affection and even more unlike the America within which their ancestors made their home."

Obama is just like most other liberals, really. He believes that turning America into a European style soft-socialist nanny state would be for the ultimate good of America and the world.

18 posted on 02/13/2011 6:52:00 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: radioone
Personally, I really don't give a damn WHAT this idiot's motivation is. What he's DOING is putting America in the toilet. If he IS nuts, he sure as hell doesn't belong in the White House, let alone anywhere NEAR a red phone or the nuclear button. He belongs in a rubber room.
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19 posted on 02/13/2011 6:53:45 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: radioone
Personally, although I honestly believe this puppet and his handlers are consciously out to destroy this country, I really don't give a damn WHAT his motivation is. What they're DOING is putting America in the toilet. If he IS nuts, he sure as hell doesn't belong in the White House, let alone anywhere NEAR a red phone or the nuclear button. He belongs in a rubber room -- or a cell at a supermax.
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20 posted on 02/13/2011 6:55:57 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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