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Boston Globe: "native born" does not equal "natural born" for Presidential eligibility.
Natural Born Citizen (blog) ^ | March 12, 2011 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on 03/12/2011 9:33:22 PM PST by Seizethecarp

You may add The Boston Globe to the growing list of influential media sources who have expressed the opinion that simply being born in the United States does not qualify one to be President. Recently, this blog pointed to a similar opinion in the New York Tribune. These pre-dated Breckenridge Long’s similar opinion as stated in the Chicago Legal News.

Recently, one of my readers uncovered this crucially relevant article published in the Boston Globe on November 9, 1896 by Percy A. Bridgham, aka “The People’s Lawyer“. (Mr. Bridgham’s book, One Thousand Legal Questions Answered by the “People’s Lawyer” of the Boston Daily Globe, can be found in the Harvard Law School library.)

The People’s Lawyer, upon answering a reader’s question regarding the Constitution’s natural born citizen clause, stated:

“The fact that the Constitution says “natural” instead of native shows to my mind that the distinction was thought of and probably discussed. A natural born citizen would be one who by nature, that is by inheritance, so to speak, was a citizen, as distinguished from one who was by nativity or locality of birth a citizen. A child born to Irish parents in Ireland cannot become a citizen except by naturalization, while his brother born in the United States is a native born citizen; the former is neither naturally nor by nativity a citizen, the latter is not naturally, but natively a citizen.”

It’s important to note that, while this article was written two years before the controversial decision in Wong Kim Ark, Bridgham adopts a similar conclusion as Justice Gray did in that case by stating that children born of aliens on US soil are citizens. But Bridgham also states that while these children are “native born” citizens, they are not “natural born” citizens and therefore cannot be President.

(Excerpt) Read more at naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; certifigate; leodonofrio; naturalborncitizen; obama; wongkimark; wrldsdmbstcnsprcy
Another great post by Leo Donofrio directed at the state legislators who are actively considering POTUS ballot eligibility requirements.
1 posted on 03/12/2011 9:33:26 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: LucyT; STARWISE; Nachum; rxsid; Red Steel

Leo Donofrio’s latest...


2 posted on 03/12/2011 9:35:23 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

A lot of people in this country including Obama are not eligible to be POTUS.


3 posted on 03/12/2011 9:38:34 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Seizethecarp

Yeah seen it before the ping. :-) ‘Native’ vs ‘Natural’ diverged especially after the 14th Amendment.


4 posted on 03/12/2011 9:41:38 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Seizethecarp

While most MSM is still treating O as minigod, this is going to happen more and more.

He spent hours today playing golf while a nuclear plant is starting to melt down in Japan, thousands are dead in a tsunami, Libya women are holding signs begging for western intervention, government debt is getting unmanageable, and state capitals are being invaded for political reasons.

He is unfit. The MSM is starting to realize they may have trouble reelecting him in 2012.


5 posted on 03/12/2011 9:48:05 PM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Thanks, will read carefully tomorrow.

One thing is certain, no USSC decision has disturbed the historical distinction between native-born and natural born.

The Wong decision by the majority did not address natural born, and the judge’s editorializing in the decision most certainly does not amend the Constitution.

Inaction on this issue at the federal level for the past two years is the largest fraud in the history of our nation’s government.

If the states can do something about it, then the state senators sitting in the U.S. Congress right now can do something about it.


6 posted on 03/12/2011 9:49:48 PM PST by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: frog in a pot

“If the states can do something about it, then the members from each state sitting in...”
Been a very long day, g’night.


7 posted on 03/12/2011 9:54:42 PM PST by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: Seizethecarp

bttt


8 posted on 03/12/2011 10:01:10 PM PST by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: Seizethecarp

sfl


9 posted on 03/12/2011 10:07:06 PM PST by phockthis
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To: Seizethecarp

Please——someone alert the idiot state “representatives” in Georgia.

Quote from a “representative” to an e-mail concerning the eligibility bill brought to the floor of the state House in Georgia, HB401 and it’s DEFEAT:

“This bill has been trashed! Most all signers have pulled their names. The bill will never come up for a vote. Its a waste of taxpayer dollars. If you don’t like Obama you can vote him out of office through a normal process.”

Tainted with an assumption of racism towards the “Won” and NOT his policies...so, he MUST be a democrat. “Racism” is their only defense.

Also, a lack of understanding about Pelosi’s and Alice Travis Germond’s (secretary of the DNC at the time) TWO differing Certificates of Nomination for the “Won” prior to the election of 2008.

The representative is an idiot, and a whore...the dredging of the Savannah River with federal funds was in play.

They’re CHEAP whores, to boot. A river dredging versus America.


10 posted on 03/12/2011 10:16:42 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: melancholy; butterdezillion; Danae; little jeremiah
ping

Leo goes after state legislators on NBC definition and declares them (and certain SPs) to be traitors if they say dual citizenship is a “distraction”...

11 posted on 03/12/2011 10:17:43 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: freekitty

My brother and I belong in this group. However, both of us never shirked defending this Nation in WWII. My brother was even killed in the defense.


12 posted on 03/12/2011 10:19:51 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: freekitty

My brother and I belong in this group. However, both of us never shirked defending this Nation in WWII. My brother was even killed in the defense.


13 posted on 03/12/2011 10:20:06 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Seizethecarp

Per Leo:

“Your legislators continue to dodge the issue claiming that it’s a “distraction”. The Constitution is a distraction? Only to a traitor. Everyone should note with very careful particularity the name of each elected official who refers to the Constitution as a distraction. These are traitors to their oath of office.”

“The issue of dual allegiance is not a joke and certainly no distraction (other than to those who disrespect our Constitution). At the very least, those who support Obama should support the need for his eligibility to be reviewed by the US Supreme Court. To leave the issue in perpetual limbo is to endanger the nation.”

“Those states considering bills which would require Presidential candidates to prove they did not have dual allegiance at the time of their births are on the front lines of this battle. I have come back to this blog in order to support their effort. I hope there is at least one state in the union which has legislators who care enough about this nation’s future to risk the scorn of media propaganda.”


14 posted on 03/12/2011 10:22:46 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Mortrey

Sorry....anger fogs my mind-—
Not Savannah River-—Savannah PORT.


15 posted on 03/12/2011 10:23:03 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Red Steel; Fred Nerks; bushpilot1; patlin; rxsid; thecodont; butterdezillion; nutmeg; SunkenCiv; ...

TO THE PRINTERS OF THE BOSTON PATRIOT. - John Adams, The Works of John Adams, vol. 9 (Letters and State Papers 1799-1811) [1854]

Edition used:

The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States: with a Life of the Author, Notes and Illustrations, by his Grandson Charles Francis Adams (Boston: Little, Brown and Co., 1856). 10 volumes. Vol. 9.

Author: John Adams
Editor: Charles Francis Adams
Part of: The Works of John Adams, 10 vols.

*snip*

Mr. Hamilton’s erroneous conceptions of the public opinion may be excused by the considerations that he was not a native of the United States; that he was born and bred in the West Indies till he went to Scotland for education, where he spent his time in a seminary of learning till seventeen years of age, after which no man ever perfectly acquired a national character; then entered a college at New York, from whence he issued into the army as an aid-de-camp.

In these situations he could scarcely acquire the opinions, feelings, or principles of the American people.

His error may be excused by the further consideration, that his time was chiefly spent in his pleasures, in his electioneering visits, conferences, and correspondences, in propagating prejudices against every man whom he thought his superior in the public estimation, and in composing ambitious reports upon finance, while the real business of the treasury was done by Duer, by Wolcott, and even, for some time and in part, by Tench Coxe.

*snip*

My worthy fellow-citizens! Our form of government, inestimable as it is, exposes us, more than any other, to the insidious intrigues and pestilent influence of foreign nations.

Nothing but our inflexible neutrality can preserve us.

The public negotiations and secret intrigues of the English and the French have been employed for centuries in every court and country of Europe.

Look back to the history of Spain, Holland, Germany, Russia, Sweden, Denmark, Prussia, Italy, and Turkey, for the last hundred years. How many revolutions have been caused!

How many emperors and kings have fallen victims to the alternate triumphs of parties, excited by Englishmen or Frenchmen!

And can we expect to escape the vigilant attention of politicians so experienced, so keen-sighted, and so rich?

If we convince them that our attachment to neutrality is unchangeable, they will let us alone; but as long as a hope remains, in either power, of seducing us to engage in war on his side and against his enemy, we shall be torn and convulsed by their manœuvres.

http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php&title=2107&search=%22native%22&chapter=161260&layout=html#a_2837830

I’m going to SO hate myself in a few hours .. especially of all nights .. losing an hour of sleep, but John Adams pretty much graphically painted the situation there, didn’t he ? Our Founders have to be spinning in their graves.


16 posted on 03/13/2011 12:34:36 AM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE; rxsid; Red Steel; patlin

Anyone want to see whats inside..I have not opened..

Contents:
Appendix — Extracts from Vattel’s Law of Nations with notes by Burke.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=154-fma&cid=25-79#25-79


17 posted on 03/13/2011 12:40:38 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: STARWISE; Red Steel; Fred Nerks; bushpilot1; patlin; rxsid; butterdezillion; nutmeg; SunkenCiv
My worthy fellow-citizens! Our form of government, inestimable as it is, exposes us, more than any other, to the insidious intrigues and pestilent influence of foreign nations.

[...]

http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php&title=2107&search=%22native%22&chapter=161260&layout=html#a_2837830

I’m going to SO hate myself in a few hours .. especially of all nights .. losing an hour of sleep, but John Adams pretty much graphically painted the situation there, didn’t he ? Our Founders have to be spinning in their graves.

It's so elementary, so very basic, this need to shut out foreign influence.

And we have tragically lost sight of it.

I'd written earlier about physical illustrations of the need for this protection. One example was a set of gates near a pedestrian railroad crossing. The gates were constructed with double gates such that a person could not walk straight across the tracks.

Another example is a dog park I saw. This park, enclosed by a chain-link fence, has a double set of gates for entry. You could take a group of schoolchildren to that dog park and ask them, "Why two gates? Why not just one?" Then explain to them that for the Presidency of our country, our Founders designed "two gates" of citizenship expressed in the fundamental concept of the law of nations, that of the natural born citizen. Born on the soil of the country (one gate) of parents who are citizens of the country (second gate).

Even a schoolchild would understand this. Our Founders understood this. But the voters have forgotten.

18 posted on 03/13/2011 1:05:05 AM PST by thecodont
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To: noinfringers2
My brother and I belong in this group. However, both of us never shirked defending this Nation in WWII. My brother was even killed in the defense.

That would depend on where you and your brother were born and who were your parents.

19 posted on 03/13/2011 1:11:03 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: noinfringers2

Bless you and your brother for defending our great country. My father flew the Burma Hump in WWII.


20 posted on 03/13/2011 1:15:23 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: patlin

http://books.google.com/books?id=U2aiZ4xPirUC&pg=PA13&dq=citizenship++Wise&hl=en&ei=spF8TY-QG4ntrAeegOHOBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&re


21 posted on 03/13/2011 3:27:57 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: STARWISE; Pharmboy; thecodont

We’ve rarely had such a nasty jerk in the White House as John Adams. He turned on Hamilton (and everyone else) many a time, to the point that Hamilton finally crossed the party line and endorsed Jefferson over Adams.

Adams (at the encouragement of his wife Abigail) had tried to round up his political opponents at newspapers and jail them under the Alien and Sedition Act, because at heart he was a fascist.

Jefferson, brilliant as he was, was also a sneaky bastard, possibly due to the influence of James Madison, with whom he was close. He had the good sense to burn his personal papers before his death.

Adams lost his reelection bid, appointed a bunch of judges he thought would be hostile to Jefferson’s policies, and blew town before Jefferson was sworn in.

The whiny little bitch did one service for the country that was his greatest — he was the poor bastard who followed George Washington.

The remarks about “foreign influence” probably were Adams’ barbs directed at Jefferson, whom he (through proxies) accused of being too much under French influence.


22 posted on 03/13/2011 7:37:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: bushpilot1

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju23690.000/hju23690_0f.htm


23 posted on 03/13/2011 8:57:36 AM PDT by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: noinfringers2; cynwoody
That would depend on where you and your brother were born and whether your parents were citizens. (in any legal sense of the word)
24 posted on 03/13/2011 10:12:54 AM PDT by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: Mortrey; STARWISE; Travis McGee

Similar to your example of the Georgia fiasco, New Hampshire has in the past few days rejected a move that would require presidential candidates to establish NBC status at its primary level.

One Republican leader said the requirement would jeopardize its treasure as the “first primary” state because Obama didn’t need NH and would just not appear.

Another “Republican” leader argues the “birther issue…keeps discussion away from many of the things that President Obama is doing wrong and puts the discussion on where he was born, in spite of the fact that we’ve seen copies of the birth announcement in the Hawaiian papers.”

Astonishingly, other Republicans were fearful the proposed bill would seem a direct attack on Obama and moved to have it apply only after the 2012 election.

Is anyone aware of a single state with meaningful electoral votes that has considered effective NBC legislation that has not also defeated it?

How many more years will the anti-Americans need to complete their agenda?


25 posted on 03/13/2011 10:25:56 AM PDT by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: frog in a pot
One Republican leader said the requirement would jeopardize its treasure as the “first primary” state because Obama didn’t need NH and would just not appear.

That wouldn't bode well for a state in deep financial trouble...they NEED the revenue from the 9% meals and lodging tax that would be generated by the media and all that political support staff coming to Red Hampshire.

26 posted on 03/13/2011 10:32:28 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Yes, and the point made by one observer is that they seem willing to trade off a piece of the Constitution, if not the future of the country, for those tax revenues.

There are certainly a lot of names for such behavior, none flattering.


27 posted on 03/13/2011 11:00:14 AM PDT by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: SunkenCiv; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA

Wow .. such vitriol to read on a Sunday morning.

All these demeaning adjectives used to describe
John and Abigail Adams is certainly new to me.

David McCullough wrote of his flaws, as all humans have, but the overriding influence and impact that Adams had on the early days of this nation is mighty.

There’s always rivalry among power players and men of power, vision and egos. I accept McCullough’s well-researched analysis of the life of Adams and the conclusion that he was a patriot and pivotal to the founding and early survival of this country.

They all played their parts, that .. at the time in all the various areas of government.. were so key in the tenuous first days and years of creating a country from square one. And Hamilton sure doesn’t appear to have been such a prince of a man and to be that saintly and worthy of descimating and trampling Adams’ reputation and documented record of contributions and achievements.

“During his tenure as Treasury secretary, Hamilton clashed repeatedly with another cabinet member, Thomas Jefferson.

Hamilton favored a powerful central government while Jefferson feared it; Hamilton favored closer relations with Britain, and Jefferson, with France. The men would both resign their Cabinet posts before the end of Washington’s first term. They would remain lifelong political enemies.

Hamilton might have risen to the presidency if not for a scandal in 1797. A pamphlet published that year revealed Hamilton’s affair with a woman named Maria Reynolds and linked him to a scheme by Reynolds’ husband to illegally manipulate federal securities.

To prove his innocence, Hamilton resorted to publishing love letters he had written to Maria Reynolds. This cleared Hamilton of financial impropriety, but badly damaged his reputation. The scandal did not stop George Washington from appointing Hamilton acting commander of the U.S. Army in 1798 when the country was on the brink of war with France.”

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/duel/peopleevents/pande06.html

We’re all failed, flawed human beings, no?


28 posted on 03/13/2011 12:10:43 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Seizethecarp

29 posted on 03/13/2011 12:41:50 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: Seizethecarp

30 posted on 03/13/2011 12:43:07 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: cynwoody

We were born in the mid-west USA and our parents were unnaturalized Russian immigrants. These facts and consequences of the matter dawned on me after WWII service although I thought differently as a child with the idea any one can become POTUSA.


31 posted on 03/13/2011 12:46:09 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: cynwoody

We were born in the mid-west USA and our parents were unnaturalized Russian immigrants. These facts and consequences of the matter dawned on me after WWII service although I thought differently as a child with the idea any one can become POTUSA.


32 posted on 03/13/2011 12:46:26 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: STARWISE; SunkenCiv
We’re all failed, flawed human beings, no?

Once dependence on others is gone, then only can one's potential be realized.

(Longtan)

A clean kill or no kill, Lord
Such is my heart's desire
Give me the skill to make it so
Or let me hold my fire
And when my time upon this earth
The days they are fulfilled
Grant that I may die at least
As clean as those I killed

FRED BEAR!

33 posted on 03/13/2011 12:57:25 PM PDT by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: frog in a pot

Our parents were unnaturalized Russian immigrants and we were born in mid-west USA. As a child I believed anyone born a citizen could become POTUSA. Learning differently wouldn’t have made any difference as to serving.


34 posted on 03/13/2011 12:59:40 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: STARWISE

Adams was as I described him, and did the things I recounted — it wasn’t vitriol, it was fact.

“Hamilton favored a powerful central government while Jefferson feared it”

Adams did also — which is why both were Federalists.

Hamilton’s “love affair” was actually a blackmail plot that succeeded because of his chivalrous alley cat nature.

Burr was a scumbag. And when Hamilton was murdered by Burr, Adams’ response was, “a caitiff had come to a bad end.”.

Thanks to McCullough’s book, we’ll probably have to put up with how great and misunderstood the mean-spirited Adams was. He was an important figure, but he was bitter about what he saw as a lack of recognition for his (mostly imaginary) greatness. Washington put together a very gifted cabinet — an institution that we actually owe to him, and not to the Constitution (quick, get the torches! the cabinet is unconstitutional! ;’), but Adams was denied any role (other than breaking ties) in the Senate, and he was bitter about that too.

Hamilton had far more impact and influence on the early republic than Adams, and our country is the better for it. Washington was nominated as the commanding general of The Revolution by John Adams, which is another of his great contributions, because without Washington’s leadership and choice of aides (including Hamilton), the British would have won, period, and he wouldn’t have become our first, and one of our two greatest, Presidents.

And speaking of vitriol, Adams wrote of Washington:

[snip] He once sarcastically listed Washington’s talents, all of them involving his appearance, form and pedigree. “Here,” he sneered, “you see I have made out 10 talents without saying a word about reading, thinking, or writing.” [unsnip]


35 posted on 03/13/2011 1:06:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, it seems you are quite emotionally married to
your point of view. So be it ..

I shall be grateful for all the Founders, each
playing his part in creating the greatest beacon
for freedom and individual rights in the world.


36 posted on 03/13/2011 1:16:16 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: SunkenCiv
Ah, but without a nasty bastard or two in the mix to steel your resolve, you're just a reed in the wind.

we’ll probably have to put up

Wouldn't that be a nice change?

I'm getting tired of putting out.

37 posted on 03/13/2011 1:21:36 PM PDT by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: STARWISE

Stating facts is not the same thing as being emotionally married to a point of view. Adams said and did those things, that’s just a fact. But go ahead and call it whatever you want.

The mysterious, ongoing FR smear campaign against Alexander Hamilton continues to both amuse and bemuse — and those smears are not only vitriolic, they are incoherent, much like the FR attacks on Lincoln.


38 posted on 03/13/2011 1:28:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I shall be grateful for all the Founders, each
playing his part in creating the greatest beacon
for freedom and individual rights in the world.


39 posted on 03/13/2011 1:36:15 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: noinfringers2

“Learning differently wouldn’t have made any difference as to serving.”

And for that, you receive a standing ovation and the gratitude of your fellow Americans. You paid higher dues than many, and your brother paid the most that could be asked. Thank you.

(Please understand I was merely completing the other posters comment.)


40 posted on 03/13/2011 1:55:01 PM PDT by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: bigheadfred

Or a Reid, which is even worse. ;’)


41 posted on 03/13/2011 1:55:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: STARWISE

I wholeheartedly agree.


42 posted on 03/13/2011 1:55:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: bigheadfred

;’)


43 posted on 03/13/2011 2:09:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Well, like I said, Nasty Bastard

The dichotomy that exists between steel and reed, and steal and Reid.

44 posted on 03/13/2011 2:11:26 PM PDT by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: Seizethecarp
Republican presidential candidates VOLUNTARILY attach a copy of their long form birth certificates to their primary application in each state.

I hope they do it in order to reassure the American people that they were born in the United States, that they are who they say they are, and that they were NOT adopted by a citizen of another country at some point in their lives.

45 posted on 03/13/2011 8:05:46 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: noinfringers2
We were born in the mid-west USA and our parents were unnaturalized Russian immigrants. These facts and consequences of the matter dawned on me after WWII service although I thought differently as a child with the idea any one can become POTUSA.

The Supreme Court has never had to rule on who is a natural born citizen. If they ever do, it will be very strange if they don't simply say it means citizen by birth (which would include you — and thank you for your service). Any other interpretation would run counter to the common understanding and require adducing all manner of esoterica predating the 14th Amendment and would seem contrived to fit Obama's facts.

The status of Obama's father was completely known before the election, but the arguments that he wasn't eligible then advanced all depended on his having been born outside the country. Only when that factual argument failed did the birthers attempt a legal argument. See if you can find a thread before the election wherein Vattel, for example, was discussed in this connection.

46 posted on 03/13/2011 9:34:42 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
The Supreme Court has never had to rule on who is a natural born citizen. If they ever do, it will be very strange if they don't simply say it means citizen by birth

I agree with you that SCOTUS is overrun with traitors.

47 posted on 03/14/2011 12:05:42 AM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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