Posted on 04/07/2011 12:46:23 PM PDT by patlin
UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE II
Sec 5 No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Nearly a year ago now, Mark R. Levin with all his constitutional expertise stated the dual citizenship is not 14th Amendment citizenship. Rather it is citizenship by statute. If so, the how cone he is ignoring Article II qualifications and promoting Bobby Jindal for president, knowing that Jindal was born a citizen of India? Would that not make Jindal a citizen by statute, not by nature? Also, he recently has been promoting Marco Rubio. I like Marco, but do we know for a fact that his parents were naturalized citizens at the time of Marco's birth?
Caller: Yes, how does dual citizenship work? How can person have dual alliances for example…… let’s say we got into a war with say IsraelYello! Yello! Could someone get Mark on the phone & ask him to explain this to us please?Mark: hahahahaha
Caller: You know what I am saying
Mark: yeah, yeah, the jews, we gotta watch out for them
Caller: No, no, it could be that….
Mark: Let me explain something to you. In terms of dual citizenship, that is done statutorily, you understand? In other words, Congress determines, us, the nature of dual citizenship, what qualifies for dual citizenship and so forth; which is why it is so absurd to argue that 14th Amendment by itself confers citizenship on illegal aliens
Caller: Well, that’s a good point, that’s a very good point. I understand
Mark: Well, it’s the truth, it’s not even, yeah
Caller: No, no, I understand ya, I’m not arguing with ya, I listen to you to learn
Mark: Alright my friend, thank you, you’re a good man, thank you…I’m no fan of dual citizenship either, I’ll be perfectly honest with you
Your reading comprehension sucks. Even you own quote says “that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States,”
That clause is talking about persons born outside the country.
And you why the country is in such trouble & why the people are so ignorant of American history? Take a look in the mirror pal & you’ll get your answer.
Mark said born NOT owing allegiace to any foreign nation that the US makes treaties with. Period. All others are citizens by statute.
Need a mirror?
CodeToad said:
“It doesn’t say both parents must be US citizen. It says “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. A mother that is a US citizen giving birth in the US is, indeed, subject to the jurisdiction thereof and so is the child. It doesn’t matter the father’s nationality. He could be a space alien for all anyone cares.”
Not sure what you’re getting at here. For MOST of this nations existence, Citizenship was determined ENTIRELY by the father. A Woman became an automatic Citizen if she married an American man. This was only changed in 1920, when women first acquired the ability to transfer citizenship to their offspring independently.
A woman having a Foreign Male’s child would bear a child with another nation’s claim on him. British common law asserted that An English Father automatically makes the child a subject of the British Crown. Ergo, divided loyalty.
This stuff is axiomatic. Divided loyalty is the anti-thesis of “Natural Born Citizen.”
“Mark said ...”
Mark is often full of sh*t. Nowhere is there any concept of a special class of natural born citizen. “Natural” means what it is and not what you want it to say to try to discredit Obama or anyone else.
“We the people,.....to us and OUR Posterity”
It does not say we the people...to us and all foreign Posterity now does it?
“For MOST of this nations existence, Citizenship was determined ENTIRELY by the father.”
No, it wasn’t. You read that crap on the Internet and spread it like gospel. What an intellectually lazy bum you are. Since this nation’s founding anyone born here was a citizen. We did that to protect people from England’s King trying to claim all perosns here as British subjects.
Due to modern needs that privilege was narrowed in 1952 to be what 8 USC 1401 is. Sorry you’re obviously just too focused on trying to claim Obama’s dad is not a US citizen therefore Obama cannot be.
Fact is, I think people such as yourself are liberal trolls trying to discredit the entire claim that Obama wasn’t even born here. You and your liberal freinds have come here trying to make it sound as if he was born here, then make a claim about his father that won’t hold up so the whole thing dies out.
CodeToad said:
“Your reading comprehension sucks. Even you own quote says “that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States,”
“That clause is talking about persons born outside the country.”
It says that Citizenship cannot descend to anyone with a foreign born father. THAT is the salient point. It is an indication of the Mindset of the Delegates of the Constitutional convention, ergo, it’s what they intended when they wrote article II.
I will point out to you, (Lest you think you are actually dealing with a simpleton as seems to be your impression.) that an ACT of Congress CANNOT redefine the meaning of an Article of the U.S. Constitution. ONLY an Amendment can do that. The Act of Congress is therefore meaningless, as are any subsequent codes or regulations.
It isn’t my reading comprehension that is faulty. It is my judgment in assessing your intelligence. I wrongly assumed you were astute enough to understand the point I was trying to make. Now that I see you require everything spelled out for you specifically and in an infantile manner, I will accommodate you to the best of my ability and the length of my patience.
“fall under international citizenship laws 1st,”
Bullsh*t. You’re making even more of this crap up. Fairy tales of the conspiracy crowd mean nothing. US law comes first, stupid.
“It says that Citizenship cannot descend to anyone with a foreign born father. THAT is the salient point.”
You took something out of context then claimed it to be true. Again, your reading comprehension is horrible. Did you ever get past the third grade? Seriously? Go back and read it again. We seriously need to abolish the public screwel system.
“your reading of “natural” means that the soil of the nation gave birth to the child”
Listen, stupid, I have said many times what natural means, which is actually a sad thing to have to do for anyone because it means they are just too ignorant of the English language.
Let me repeat it again...I’ll type slowly so you can keep up.
“Natural” simply means not having to take additional actions, as in, you are naturally stupid. I don’t think anything made you that way, I think you were just born stupid.
Let Harvard Law to explain it to you. According to them, Obama & Jindal are not natural born citizens per the 14th Amendment.
“Basically it says that NO WAY can a man with a foreign born father be even a citizen, let alone a “Natural Born Citizen.””
Not sure how much you keep up with current events, but in 1868 we passed the 14th Amendment.
Well....It's better late than never,...but...I am really disgusted with these so-called conservative bobble-head yappers. Collectively they have the gonads the size of a dust mite.
Levin the constitutional expert...yeah right! ( eye roll). However....To give Levin some credit. He was at least silent. He didn't insult the birthers like Coulter, Beck, and Medved. Unlike the later three, in time, I'll forgive him( and Rush, too).
CodeToad said:
No, it wasn’t. You read that crap on the Internet and spread it like gospel. What an intellectually lazy bum you are. Since this nation’s founding anyone born here was a citizen. We did that to protect people from England’s King trying to claim all perosns here as British subjects.”
English law held that anyone born to a British Father was automatically a subject of the British Crown. I would show you the appropriate references, but I’m afraid they use big words and your simplistic comprehension wouldn’t be up to the task.
“Due to modern needs that privilege was narrowed in 1952 to be what 8 USC 1401 is. Sorry you’re obviously just too focused on trying to claim Obama’s dad is not a US citizen therefore Obama cannot be.”
I’m not so simple minded to think that anything short of a constitutional amendment can change the meaning and intent of an Article of the U.S. Constitution.Apparently you are. Go play with your code books until you figure our otherwise. Perhaps you can find a code that DOES override the Constitution itself?
“Fact is, I think people such as yourself are liberal trolls trying to discredit the entire claim that Obama wasn’t even born here. You and your liberal freinds have come here trying to make it sound as if he was born here, then make a claim about his father that won’t hold up so the whole thing dies out.”
Yeah, *I’M* the Liberal troll who is arguing that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Obama to meet Article II requirements, while you are trying to argue that he is. Apparently the term “troll” means something different for you than it does for people of normal intelligence.
“They are not. That’s my point.”
So therefore, if Kenya were to recognize Obama as a citizen, it would have no bearing on his elgbility to be president.
This clip is from August 13, 2010. Almost a year ago and he still is pushing for Jindal. As far as Marco, I have no opinion as we do not know the status of his parents at his birth.
There is a supreme court case from the 70’s/80’s regarding the right of citizenship to children borne from soldiers in Vietnam’s relations with native women. The ruling was that while obviously a child borne to an American woman overseas was a citizen (didn’t mention “natural born”, but didn’t need to), for the child to claim his paternity granted citizenship, paternity had to be established. The notion that the child of an American woman born while she happened to be next door in Canada is ineligible to be President is nonsense.
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