Posted on 04/12/2011 3:28:07 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike
I am not trying to sort out the broader issue of President Obama being born in the United States or not. However, I do want to point out a small, yet important, point regarding the names of documents flying around this issue; a point that even Donald Trump oversees.
President Obama produced a Certification - not a Certificate - of Live Birth. While both are accepted as "birth certificates" in HI, some interesting information would be learned if one reads the websites of Hawaii's Deportment of Health and of the Department of Hawaiian Homelands:
•Only the Certificate of Live Birth (the one Obama did not produce) is considered an "original birth certificate." (read the Homeland website) •"A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii," is eligible to apply for an amended birth certificate. (Read the Health website) •"Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth.When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth." (Read the homeland web site) The above information gives us two options as to why President Obama produced a Certification of Live Birth and not an original birth certificate, aka Certificate of Live Birth. A) Obama lost his original kosher document and therefore the state as a replacement gave him only a Certification document, since they don't provide anymore copies of the original. B) Obama was born outside of HI, but after his guardians followed through the requirements (a "certified copy of the adoption decree or the certificate of adoption, and payment of fees"), Obama received an amended birth certificate.
Mr. Trump, who is very strong on this issue, confuses the difference between the both, saying - such as in his NYT response - that the President produced the Certificate of Live Birth, when in fact it is the Certification of Live Birth that was produced.
Regarding the Two Newspapers in Hawaii that placed a Mazel Tove for Obama's parents to the birth of a son on August 1961, it is relevant to have in mind that Obama has eight half-siblings by four other marriages or relationships between his parents. So go figure to which son the ad was referring. In addition, as WND pointed-out back in July 2009, The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health, which includes Certifications of Birth that foreigners may obtain.
Again: I am not suggesting that the President was not born in the USA. However, with the above information at hand, the arguments of the Obama defenders that ‘Obama produced a birth certificate,' and that ‘there were two ads in the papers,' become mostly irrelevant.
Thank you, American Thinker editors!
So?....Why do we get this information now, after 2 1/2 YEARS!!!! Hm? Could it be that Donald gave you all some testosterone shots?
And a spine implant.
Actually, this information was out about as soon as Obama had the fraudulent BC posted on the internet. It was pointed out that the certificate he had posted didn’t prove he was born in Hawaii, and then it was pointed out that it was a forgery. What makes this interesting is that Hawaii has just recently quit issuing Certificates of Live Birth, or what is called the long form BC. One can only wonder if that is a cover up for Obama.
A month ago you could request a certificate of live birth from hawaii. For some strange reason they have now made it impossible to get a certificate. You are now only allowed a certification. Hmmmm... strange isn’t it!
...One can only wonder if that is a cover up for Obama.
I suspect it is a coverup to protect the State of Hawaii. Obama is only one case in a greater scheme of granting US citizenship to children born abroad.
Also, Fukino allegedly has SEEN the original long form BC in a big book, so according to HER, it actually exists. So the notion it “could not” be produced is quite ridiculous. If Obama authorized Hawaiian authorities to make available a Xerox copy, it obviously could be done even without any “official” procedure for making it available. The Everest-size mountains of BS surrounding this issue are quite ridiculous. Part of Trump’s appeal is that he’s being so plain-spoken on an issue that most everyone else in the “public square” has been trying to obfuscate up the wazoo.
Freeper Danae is mentioned in the above article.
Awesome documentation on the birth certificate scam from Hawaii!
Let the hailstorm continue! Long live FReepers and the quest for truth!
wait... hawaii changed this in the last month?!
why isn’t that news?
obvious cover-up is obvious
Regardless of where he was born, don’t both his parents have to be legal citizens of US for him to be “natural-born”? And is it not true, that his father was not a US citizen when Obama was born?
You are absolutely correct! The only issue with the long form is to verify that he was in fact Barack Sr’s kid. Then it is a given that he was never a natural born citizen.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.”
You wrote: “Also, Fukino allegedly has SEEN the original long form BC in a big book, so according to HER, it actually exists. So the notion it “could not” be produced is quite ridiculous.”
“Ridiculous” indeed.
I was part owner of an engineering and land surveying company and I did deed searches for the property being surveyed and the adjacent properties. The County Registrar of Deeds stored the deeds in BIG BOOKS...they are called BINDERS... the three ring type. These documents were easily retrieved from the BINDERS, XEROXED and returned.
I call “Bull$hit” on Fukino.
You wrote: “You are absolutely correct! The only issue with the long form is to verify that he was in fact Barack Sr’s kid. Then it is a given that he was never a natural born citizen.
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.”
Obama’s Long Form CERTIFICATE of Live Birth is the linchpin to the paternity - IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, JR THE SON OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, SR?
And again, the question keeps coming back to me: “Why is ‘Barack Hussein Obama, Jr’ identified as “II” on the Forged CERTIFICATION of Live Birth?”
I have found in documents on the web that “II” is normally given to a male in honor of a relative who is NOT their father.
Is it just me, or does anyone else see that glaring error on the Forged COLB?
So why isn't any one asking the local government in Oahu, or Honolulu (I'm not sure if there are counties) about the birth certificate, not the state of Hawaii.
Video: A Question of Eligibility (Full Movie!) Very informative!
PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
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