Posted on 04/27/2011 8:26:51 AM PDT by patriotgal1787
(page 246)
And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President. “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” &c. The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not.
(pg 250)
6. Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever were the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen.
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/Lynch_v_Clarke_1844_ocr.pdf
The major precedent is against you. Although Vice President and President had an Irish father (a well known fact at the time) nobody was curious enough to ask him if the father was a citizen at the time of Arthur’s birth. Why not? You have two choices: either people in 1880 were idiots compared to current Americans (yeah, right) or they didn’t think this issue had any bearing on Arthur’s eligibility.
The major precedent is against you. Although Vice President and President had an Irish father (a well known fact at the time) nobody was curious enough to ask him if the father was a citizen at the time of Arthur’s birth. Why not? You have two choices: either people in 1880 were idiots compared to current Americans (yeah, right) or they didn’t think this issue had any bearing on Arthur’s eligibility.
I meant Vice President and President Arthur....but you can gather that from the rest of the post.
The acronym COLB stands for "Certificate of Live Birth."
Look at the top of the released document:
What does it say?
If The Donald does not make a big stink about this, it means he's a stalking-horse for Hussein, meant to inoculate him from further birth certificate inquiries.
What is it you’re looking for?
Odd that Obamas alleged long form bc does not look like any of the others born in Hawaii at that time. It also appears cropped. It looks like the one they have been passing off as the real thing the last few days. It also has some written numbers on certain boxes.
I see you’re still having comprehension problems.
"“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
The Convention agreed and without debate the provision suggested by Jay was written into the Constitution.
That Jay’s advice was taken is not surprising because in his career Jay was President of the Continental Congress, Chief Justice of the New York Supreme Court, 1st Chief Justice of the United States, Ambassador to Spain and France, Secretary of Foreign Affairs (Secretary of State) and Governor of New York, among other things. He wasn’t a man whose advice could be ignored. Note that what particularly concerned Jay was not a political issue but a military issue arising because the President is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. He was bothered by issues of National Security."
So you’re saying the COLB released today is a long-form birth certificate?
It is identical to the Nordyke birth certificates. Those are the one’s that his BC was suppose to look like.
Obama's a citizen because he was born in Hawaii. It doesn't matter where his parents were born.
If and when this gets to SCOTUS, dozens of opinions showing just the opposite of yours will be presented. I am not going to waste my time to see if your wordy document is even relevant.
Your argument that parents citizenship is irrelevant is ridiculous.
my questions are, if as we have heard for the 4 previous yrs on this issue, Obama had already provided this document and it was a settled matter, why didn’t he still have the document? Meaning, why did he have to go ask for it again? And, if it takes weeks and weeks and weeks and man hours such as Jeffrey Toobin and Anderson Cooper and panel said, does that mean it was requested back in late March? Certainly someone who has travelled as extensively, been educated in the most prestigious halls and been in such position of power (State Senator) prior. Certainly such a person would have had to provide this document at some time in the past.
How do take focus off high gas prices? Birth issue
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How do take focus off problems in middle east? Birth issue
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Like Rahm Emanuel said, “You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”
I would venture to say this crisis is Obama’s birth issue. With everyone focusing on his birth issue, the true problems are put on the back burner, and all the real issues are dealt with using “Under the table negotiations”
Now his birth certificate maybe bogus. But it comes at a time when other problems need to be addressed. Let’s wait until the 2012 election and then declare him ineligible to run. Hold his feet to the fire on the real issues now!
Is there any document release that could end this debate?
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