Skip to comments.Bill O'Reilly gets hostile to the Gospel
Posted on 04/28/2011 6:13:54 PM PDT by publius321
It was interesting to watch Bill OReilly begin to turn hostile toward Franklin Graham regarding the gospel of Jesus Christ. He pressed Graham to answer questions regarding the fate of people who live good lives but die without accepting Christ as their savior.
Franklin seemed to handle the question with much more back-bone than his father Billy Graham. (See Larry King interview when King pressed on the same question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozjLaoPrcQ0&NR=1
The Rev, Franklin answered the question by saying that Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me.
OReilly pressed further and became more agitated as he used hypothetical situations that many typically use - such as holocaust victims. (No, he didnt actually ask about the pigmies.) I will leave it to you as to whether you want to see the interview and care to see how Graham did in holding firm. It will be relayed tonight at 11pm and on youtube Im sure by tomorrow.
What I was pleased to hear is that it is irrelevant how WE- feel about it. If we hold ourselves out to be followers of Christ, we do not get to pick and choose which parts of His word we accept based upon our own tastes. What kind of faith can one have if they believe not in the authenticity of the scriptures in their own Bible? Yes Bill OReilly, the Catholic Bible still has Jesus claiming to be the ONLY way. Catholic though I am not, I do still believe they hold themselves out to be THE Christian Church.
Im sure some here saw the interview. I found it interesting how Bill was clearly holding back anger and I feel that if Graham had tried to elaborate further, Bill might have gone on one off his famous tirades. Based upon Bills apparent background, Im surprised he isnt RELIEVED that it is not by merit that we are saved but by grace. I know for one that I have reason to be glad.
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I watched it. BOR didn’t seem any angrier or belligerent than his normal self. Just the same arrogant a*hole he’s always been.
Yes, Jesus is the only way.
bill runs his herd of moo cows thru’ and then it’s entertainment.
Betting there is a window for human beings that have not had a chance to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Jesus is waiting for them at the cross over.
Hey O'Reilly, NOBODY lives a sinless aka "good" life, one deserving of entry into Heaven and eternal companionship with God. NOBODY. (With the obvious exception of Christ.) We are saved by Grace alone. For us, that means accepting Christ as Savior. Period.
Don't like it? Well, you don't make the rules. God does!
I’ve long wondered
if Bisl O’R
was a willing stooge or unwitting stooge or what . . . to attract the middle and maybe some conservatives to him . . . influencing them, gaining their trust . . . to only lead them down the yellow brick road to the giant globalist worms’ maws of Dune.
I just don’t think one becomes a major media personality without complying with globalist demands.
His whole show stank tonight, with the possible exception of the Laura Ingraham segment. Lately I’ve taken to watching it usually just on Wednesday because of Dennis Miller.
I thought Graham held his own quite effectively. His strong faith dominated throughout and he was prepared for the questions which I’m sure he’s heard before.
Sounds right. We know Him to be a just, righteous and merciful God, so I would expect something like that.
I’ve often thought the same, and there are even a couple passages in the Bible (no, don’t ask me to cite them, I couldn’t) that make me think that MIGHT be the case. But it certainly isn’t clear, hate filled and godless people are unlikely to change their minds and accept the offer IMHO, and I for one certainly am not going to count on it!
PS I also have some heretical ideas about possible embodiments of Hell, but I’m not going to count on those, either!
BOR can’t understand nor accept that there is a power in the world greater than his nor anything that could possibly overshadow his own overextended ego. After all...BOR would like all of us to worship at his altar.
Interesting but never have seen that in the Bible.
O’Reilly is a Christian In Name Only. Anyone that describes a person as “leading a good life” in the context of salvation clearly doesn’t know the gospel. Sad. Compared to a holy God no man is good. Not one.
“Hey O’Reilly, NOBODY lives a sinless aka “good” life, one deserving of entry into Heaven and eternal companionship with God. NOBODY. (With the obvious exception of Christ.) We are saved by Grace alone. For us, that means accepting Christ as Savior. Period.
Don’t like it? Well, you don’t make the rules. God does!”
Exactly. The Bible says that man’s righteousness is like -filthy rags”. O’Reilly -does- want to make the rules.
Oh, to be clear re my bit about Hell, note the word “possible.” And I’m not too worried about it because I have accepted Christ in my heart, sinner that I am, so I’m not going there! I’ll count on the mercy and justness of Christ and God to do the right thing (whatever He deems that to be) for non-believers.
Didn’t you know Bill knows more than God, or anybody else.
Bill makes the ultimate judgment. If you don’t appear on his awful show you can go to hell.
After all, he is lookin’ out for the folks. He means “little people”.
No one comes to the Father except through Christ.
That’s what he said.
I believe it is the height of arrogance for us to put limits on how he might allow people to do so.
Personally I’m glad it’s up to God, not to me.
unless one has never heard of Jesus. Catholics teach, at least as far as I remember, that those, through no fault of their own, do not recieve the message of Jesus' salvation, and who lead a moral and decent life, are able to obtain salvation through the MERCY of God.....why would He condemn them???
I stopped watching Bill OReilly long ago. To watch him is to pay him. They have ways of knowing that you’re watching him and your watching him is like a vote for him. Every vote makes his ratings increase and with the increase of ratings comes more revenue from the advertisers to the Network.
As long as the network is happy, Bill OReilly has a job.
That is Catholic Doctrine. Not necessarily shared by other Christian denominations. I’m Catholic, and I agree with that Doctrine (admitting that my agreement means nothing in the scheme of things). My hunch is that there is still an element of choice - accept Him or don’t - after death but before things are permanent (eternal). But that’s just a hunch.
BOR has always been an arrogant pos,he needs to be replaced and soon.
Oh, and before someone shows up to bash me as a Mary worshipper because I’m Catholic, I DON’T worship Mary. Honor her? Yes. Worship? NO. K? Thanks in advance for not telling me what I believe.
There are NO small sins. No sin can enter heaven, not one. Once you have committed the first tiny sin, you are damned to hell if you don’t accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.
I don’t make the news, I just tell it.
Put another way, one man murders, rapes and steals his whole life, but on his death bed thinks and feels "I admit my sins and accept Jesus as my savior". Another man helps the poor, loves and provides for his family and community, and does nothing but good his whole life. This man was born in Thailand, so he is a Buddhist. Or he was born in Egypt and is a Muslim.
How is it just for the first man to gain eternal bliss, and the second man eternal torture? Any father would give his erring child a second chance after a mistake, even if the child screams "I hate you daddy!". I can't see how almighty God could be less compassionate than an average man.
You want to see how smarmy, smug, full-of-themselves "news" anchors act when they don't get treated like prima donnas? Here is Ted Baxter losing it:
BOR has had ministers on before. He once asked Joel Osteen if he believed in the ‘Jesus is the only way’ message. He seems to think that is a narrow minded thing to believe.
Romans 2:12-13 NIV
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
You're damned to where . . . ?
There are NO small sins. No sin can enter heaven, not one. Once you have committed the first tiny sin, you are damned to hell if you dont accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior
“Put another way, one man murders, rapes and steals his whole life, but on his death bed thinks and feels “I admit my sins and accept Jesus as my savior”. Another man helps the poor, loves and provides for his family and community, and does nothing but good his whole life. This man was born in Thailand, so he is a Buddhist. Or he was born in Egypt and is a Muslim.
How is it just for the first man to gain eternal bliss, and the second man eternal torture?”
The theif on the cross is a similar siutation to what you described. That thief had a few minutes of knowing Jesus before Christ told him “tonight, you will be with me in Paradise.”
We make the mistake of thinking in our pea brain minds that we can even begin to understand God. “We know in part”. What we do know in part is what He gave us in His word.
His word says that man cannot even LOOK at Him in this life and live. We cannot even handle glancing at him (read about Moses at Mt. Sinai). Look around you and consider this is the being that created everything you see and cannot see. His Word says that God CANNOT be in the precense of sin and that is the reason why he sent His perfect, sinless son to literally bear our sins once in for all. So who are we to question the fact that God’s own word says that he cannot be in the presence of sin.
I except one of HIS laws of nature. I see when I turn on the light, darkness flees. The darkness doesn’t over-take the light. It MUST flee. I’m not a scientist by any stretch so I don’t want to start discussing black hole theories. The principle works well for my pea brain. I don’t have to LIKE the fact that the darkness flees the room when I turn on the light, it just -is- every time. God tells me in his word that he is pure holliness, he created us with free will (otherwise we would be puppets) and we had the choice to obey - and we sinned. He loved us enough to make a way for us to be reunited, giving us Christ, his son. Praise God.
Romans 2:12-13 NIV
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
Bill O'Reilly... pressed [Franklin] Graham to answer questions regarding the fate of people who live "good" lives but die without accepting Christ as their savior.Let's see Bill "Malmedy Massacre" O'Reilly try grilling any Muzzie a-hole about tolerant jihadists' beheading or otherwise murdering everyone in sight. Thanks publius321.
Sorry everyone about the HORRIBLE attempt at spelling in my previous post.
The second man in your story doesn’t exist...there is no man that does only good his whole life. In fact there were mobsters in the heyday that that did more good helping communities, the elderly, building schools and love their children dearly more than average man, does the mobster good deeds outweight the average guy deeds?
Suggested reading, Romans Chapter one to the end.
I suppose BOR needs to refresh his memory of Scripture.
Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God
Ephhesians 2:9 “not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”
The answer is that only God knows the heart. If someone is truly repentent, He will welcome that person into His Kingdom without condition. The thief on the cross hanging next to Jesus basically had a "deathbed conversion" and Jesus told him, "I tell you today you will be with Me in Paradise." According to the Bible, if one is trying to get in God's good Graces by being "good" or doing good works, He sees it as offering Him filthy rags (mentrual rags). If one breaks one commandment (and His standard is higher than ours, we can break them in our hearts) then all are broken. He doesn't have a point system.
God is perfect and Holy and cannot even look upon sin. But because He loves us so much and wants a relationship with us, He provided a way for that to be accomplished, and that was through the death and resurrection of the perfect, sinless Lamb, who is Christ Jesus. When you die and stand before God, He will not see your sins, He will see the perfection which is Christ in you. He bought you with a price, and that price was His death on the cross.
The Bible also says that God is revealed as the Creator in just about everything we see, yet so many worship the creation instead of He who created it. If someone is truly seeking God--and not some idol--but the Creator of everything, He will reveal Himself to them. He is a loving and merciful God, but he is also a Just God. And He is a jealous God. He declares that there is NO OTHER God but Him, and the way to Him is through the Son--by accepting Him as Lord and Savior of their life, and by faith, believing and trusting in Him and Him alone.
The most amazing thing about this is it has nothing to do with anything that we've done or will do. It is all about what Christ did! Jesus said that once you are in His hand, NO ONE or NOTHING can snatch you away from Him. I rest in that promise.
God's ways are not our ways, and they will work out for His perfect Will and justice. He knows who is His--who will come to Him, and everyone who He has known and was written in the Book of Life before the world began will come to Him. No one will slip out of His grasp. He will make certain of it--even if it is at their very last breath.
On the one hand there's this--"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb! Rev 7:9-10
On the other hand there's this--"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Graham tells him what he believes the Scripture means, and Ted Baxter gets angry at him—???
I just get the Dennis Miller segment from Freedom’s Lighthouse, or Hope for America.
BOR is a Stooge.
Franklin Graham is the real deal.
Mind you, being an atheist I don't believe a word of it...but it is generally considered to be a good explanation of the doctrine in question, so you may want to peruse it. I found it quite enjoyable myself.
Amen! There are no poor innocents.
I wonder if it would stoke Bill’s outrage to learn (because I doubt he knows) that people who believe as you believe, as Rev. Graham believes, and as I believe, are under the anathema of the Catholic Church. Rome hates free grace ao much they would consign us to Hell because we believe in Christ alone through grace alone!
“At the Council of Trent (1545-1563), the declarations of which are still in force, the Roman Catholic Church formally condemned the biblical doctrine of faith alone and grace alone. Consider the following declarations of Trent:
If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA (Sixth Session, Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 12).
If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA (Sixth Session, Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 24).
Paul addresses your objections in Roman chapter 8
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (is that “fair” or “compassionate” to Esau? - Persevero)
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?”
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God, is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. (20) For since creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.
Psalm 19:1-6 "The heavens declare the glory of God.......There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard." This would seem to tell us that no one, regardless of who, where or when, is without the knowledge of God to be believed or not.
Take Abraham, Genesis 15:6 "And he (Abraham) believed in the Lord and He accounted it to him for righteousness." By "believing in the Lord," and acting on that belief, Abraham was "accounted righteous" by God. (Pre-Christ grace by God for "believers.")
Please check out my response to macquire below regarding “people who’ve never heard of Jesus.”
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