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Bill O'Reilly gets hostile to the Gospel
http://www.cbPatriot.com ^ | Publius321

Posted on 04/28/2011 6:13:54 PM PDT by publius321

It was interesting to watch Bill O’Reilly begin to turn hostile toward Franklin Graham regarding the gospel of Jesus Christ. He pressed Graham to answer questions regarding the fate of people who live “good” lives but die without accepting Christ as their savior.

Franklin seemed to handle the question with much more back-bone than his father Billy Graham. (See Larry King interview when King pressed on the same question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozjLaoPrcQ0&NR=1

The Rev, Franklin answered the question by saying that Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me”.

O’Reilly pressed further and became more agitated as he used hypothetical situations that many typically use - such as holocaust victims. (No, he didn’t actually ask about the pigmies.) I will leave it to you as to whether you want to see the interview and care to see how Graham did in holding firm. It will be relayed tonight at 11pm and on youtube I’m sure by tomorrow.

What I was pleased to hear is that it is irrelevant how –WE- feel about it. If we hold ourselves out to be followers of Christ, we do not get to pick and choose which parts of His word we accept based upon our own tastes. What kind of faith can one have if they believe not in the authenticity of the scriptures in their own Bible? Yes Bill O’Reilly, the Catholic Bible still has Jesus claiming to be the ONLY way. Catholic though I am not, I do still believe they hold themselves out to be THE Christian Church.

I’m sure some here saw the interview. I found it interesting how Bill was clearly holding back anger and I feel that if Graham had tried to elaborate further, Bill might have gone on one off his famous tirades. Based upon Bill’s apparent background, I’m surprised he isn’t RELIEVED that it is not by merit that we are saved but by grace. I know for one that I have reason to be glad.

I also want to say WELCOME! To those of you who joined the CB Patriot Project at cbPatriot.com. We have received some wonderful letters and referrals to groups such as Tea Parties across the country.

If you’re not familiar, the CB Patriot Project is a plan to keep us in communication with one another when the inevitable end result of government prodigality and perpetual counterfeiting by the Federal Reserve come to full manifestation. We have only heretofore seen the foreshock. The TREASON of it is in the fact that the destruction of wealth is deliberate.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: bor; franklin; graham; jesus; oreilly
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1 posted on 04/28/2011 6:14:00 PM PDT by publius321
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To: publius321

I watched it. BOR didn’t seem any angrier or belligerent than his normal self. Just the same arrogant a*hole he’s always been.

Serious.


2 posted on 04/28/2011 6:19:05 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: publius321

Yes, Jesus is the only way.


3 posted on 04/28/2011 6:19:05 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: publius321

bill runs his herd of moo cows thru’ and then it’s entertainment.


4 posted on 04/28/2011 6:21:15 PM PDT by ken21 (dem taxes + regs + unions = jobs overseas.)
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To: svcw

Betting there is a window for human beings that have not had a chance to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Jesus is waiting for them at the cross over.


5 posted on 04/28/2011 6:21:45 PM PDT by macquire
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To: publius321
He pressed Graham to answer questions regarding the fate of people who live “good” lives but die without accepting Christ as their savior.

Hey O'Reilly, NOBODY lives a sinless aka "good" life, one deserving of entry into Heaven and eternal companionship with God. NOBODY. (With the obvious exception of Christ.) We are saved by Grace alone. For us, that means accepting Christ as Savior. Period.

Don't like it? Well, you don't make the rules. God does!

6 posted on 04/28/2011 6:22:03 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: publius321

I’ve long wondered

if Bisl O’R

was a willing stooge or unwitting stooge or what . . . to attract the middle and maybe some conservatives to him . . . influencing them, gaining their trust . . . to only lead them down the yellow brick road to the giant globalist worms’ maws of Dune.

I just don’t think one becomes a major media personality without complying with globalist demands.


7 posted on 04/28/2011 6:22:36 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: publius321
Simple answer... Jesus said no man enters God's dominion save by way of himself. I believe that. He did NOT say that only Christians go to heaven; the tale of the Samaritan forbids believing that.
8 posted on 04/28/2011 6:24:07 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: publius321

His whole show stank tonight, with the possible exception of the Laura Ingraham segment. Lately I’ve taken to watching it usually just on Wednesday because of Dennis Miller.


9 posted on 04/28/2011 6:26:09 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: publius321

I thought Graham held his own quite effectively. His strong faith dominated throughout and he was prepared for the questions which I’m sure he’s heard before.


10 posted on 04/28/2011 6:26:14 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: macquire

Sounds right. We know Him to be a just, righteous and merciful God, so I would expect something like that.


11 posted on 04/28/2011 6:26:33 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: macquire

I’ve often thought the same, and there are even a couple passages in the Bible (no, don’t ask me to cite them, I couldn’t) that make me think that MIGHT be the case. But it certainly isn’t clear, hate filled and godless people are unlikely to change their minds and accept the offer IMHO, and I for one certainly am not going to count on it!

PS I also have some heretical ideas about possible embodiments of Hell, but I’m not going to count on those, either!


12 posted on 04/28/2011 6:26:49 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: publius321

BOR can’t understand nor accept that there is a power in the world greater than his nor anything that could possibly overshadow his own overextended ego. After all...BOR would like all of us to worship at his altar.


13 posted on 04/28/2011 6:27:49 PM PDT by imfrmdixie (A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. Eisenhower)
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To: macquire

Interesting but never have seen that in the Bible.


14 posted on 04/28/2011 6:28:44 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: publius321

O’Reilly is a Christian In Name Only. Anyone that describes a person as “leading a good life” in the context of salvation clearly doesn’t know the gospel. Sad. Compared to a holy God no man is good. Not one.


15 posted on 04/28/2011 6:28:57 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: piytar

“Hey O’Reilly, NOBODY lives a sinless aka “good” life, one deserving of entry into Heaven and eternal companionship with God. NOBODY. (With the obvious exception of Christ.) We are saved by Grace alone. For us, that means accepting Christ as Savior. Period.

Don’t like it? Well, you don’t make the rules. God does!”

Exactly. The Bible says that man’s righteousness is like -filthy rags”. O’Reilly -does- want to make the rules.


16 posted on 04/28/2011 6:29:28 PM PDT by publius321
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To: piytar

Oh, to be clear re my bit about Hell, note the word “possible.” And I’m not too worried about it because I have accepted Christ in my heart, sinner that I am, so I’m not going there! I’ll count on the mercy and justness of Christ and God to do the right thing (whatever He deems that to be) for non-believers.


17 posted on 04/28/2011 6:31:18 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: publius321

Didn’t you know Bill knows more than God, or anybody else.

Bill makes the ultimate judgment. If you don’t appear on his awful show you can go to hell.

After all, he is lookin’ out for the folks. He means “little people”.


18 posted on 04/28/2011 6:31:31 PM PDT by dforest
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To: publius321

No one comes to the Father except through Christ.

That’s what he said.

I believe it is the height of arrogance for us to put limits on how he might allow people to do so.

Personally I’m glad it’s up to God, not to me.


19 posted on 04/28/2011 6:32:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: svcw
Yes, Jesus is the only way

unless one has never heard of Jesus. Catholics teach, at least as far as I remember, that those, through no fault of their own, do not recieve the message of Jesus' salvation, and who lead a moral and decent life, are able to obtain salvation through the MERCY of God.....why would He condemn them???

20 posted on 04/28/2011 6:33:59 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: publius321

I stopped watching Bill OReilly long ago. To watch him is to pay him. They have ways of knowing that you’re watching him and your watching him is like a vote for him. Every vote makes his ratings increase and with the increase of ratings comes more revenue from the advertisers to the Network.

As long as the network is happy, Bill OReilly has a job.


21 posted on 04/28/2011 6:36:04 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Trust But Verify makes President Reagan the original birther.)
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To: terycarl

That is Catholic Doctrine. Not necessarily shared by other Christian denominations. I’m Catholic, and I agree with that Doctrine (admitting that my agreement means nothing in the scheme of things). My hunch is that there is still an element of choice - accept Him or don’t - after death but before things are permanent (eternal). But that’s just a hunch.


22 posted on 04/28/2011 6:38:38 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: publius321

BOR has always been an arrogant pos,he needs to be replaced and soon.


23 posted on 04/28/2011 6:39:13 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: piytar

Oh, and before someone shows up to bash me as a Mary worshipper because I’m Catholic, I DON’T worship Mary. Honor her? Yes. Worship? NO. K? Thanks in advance for not telling me what I believe.


24 posted on 04/28/2011 6:41:52 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: publius321

25 posted on 04/28/2011 6:43:39 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: piytar

There are NO small sins. No sin can enter heaven, not one. Once you have committed the first tiny sin, you are damned to hell if you don’t accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.

I don’t make the news, I just tell it.


26 posted on 04/28/2011 6:45:48 PM PDT by Right Angler
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To: publius321
I'm not an O'Reilly fan, but I saw the interview and thought he had a good point.

Put another way, one man murders, rapes and steals his whole life, but on his death bed thinks and feels "I admit my sins and accept Jesus as my savior". Another man helps the poor, loves and provides for his family and community, and does nothing but good his whole life. This man was born in Thailand, so he is a Buddhist. Or he was born in Egypt and is a Muslim.

How is it just for the first man to gain eternal bliss, and the second man eternal torture? Any father would give his erring child a second chance after a mistake, even if the child screams "I hate you daddy!". I can't see how almighty God could be less compassionate than an average man.

27 posted on 04/28/2011 6:48:53 PM PDT by SupplySider
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To: publius321
Ted Baxter's schtick has been old for years now. Years.

You want to see how smarmy, smug, full-of-themselves "news" anchors act when they don't get treated like prima donnas? Here is Ted Baxter losing it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5qU4qudJYk

28 posted on 04/28/2011 6:50:56 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: publius321

BOR has had ministers on before. He once asked Joel Osteen if he believed in the ‘Jesus is the only way’ message. He seems to think that is a narrow minded thing to believe.


29 posted on 04/28/2011 6:53:26 PM PDT by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: wendy1946

Yep.

Romans 2:12-13 NIV

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.


30 posted on 04/28/2011 6:56:20 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: Right Angler

There are NO small sins. No sin can enter heaven, not one. Once you have committed the first tiny sin, you are damned to hell if you don’t accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior
You're damned to where . . . ?

Better re-read that Bible, and this time with the proper translations of the original Hebrew and Greek texts. There are four words in the KJB that are translated "hell", and not all of them mean the same thing.There are also several other verses that demonstrate that the vast majority of mankind is to be saved. Only those that actually want to fight against God are going into the lake of fire.
31 posted on 04/28/2011 7:02:53 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SupplySider; All

“Put another way, one man murders, rapes and steals his whole life, but on his death bed thinks and feels “I admit my sins and accept Jesus as my savior”. Another man helps the poor, loves and provides for his family and community, and does nothing but good his whole life. This man was born in Thailand, so he is a Buddhist. Or he was born in Egypt and is a Muslim.

How is it just for the first man to gain eternal bliss, and the second man eternal torture?”

The theif on the cross is a similar siutation to what you described. That thief had a few minutes of knowing Jesus before Christ told him “tonight, you will be with me in Paradise.”

We make the mistake of thinking in our pea brain minds that we can even begin to understand God. “We know in part”. What we do know in part is what He gave us in His word.

His word says that man cannot even LOOK at Him in this life and live. We cannot even handle glancing at him (read about Moses at Mt. Sinai). Look around you and consider this is the being that created everything you see and cannot see. His Word says that God CANNOT be in the precense of sin and that is the reason why he sent His perfect, sinless son to literally bear our sins once in for all. So who are we to question the fact that God’s own word says that he cannot be in the presence of sin.

I except one of HIS laws of nature. I see when I turn on the light, darkness flees. The darkness doesn’t over-take the light. It MUST flee. I’m not a scientist by any stretch so I don’t want to start discussing black hole theories. The principle works well for my pea brain. I don’t have to LIKE the fact that the darkness flees the room when I turn on the light, it just -is- every time. God tells me in his word that he is pure holliness, he created us with free will (otherwise we would be puppets) and we had the choice to obey - and we sinned. He loved us enough to make a way for us to be reunited, giving us Christ, his son. Praise God.


32 posted on 04/28/2011 7:04:50 PM PDT by publius321
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To: SupplySider
I can't see how almighty God could be less compassionate than an average man.

Romans 2:12-13 NIV
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

33 posted on 04/28/2011 7:05:05 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
Bill O'Reilly... pressed [Franklin] Graham to answer questions regarding the fate of people who live "good" lives but die without accepting Christ as their savior.
Let's see Bill "Malmedy Massacre" O'Reilly try grilling any Muzzie a-hole about tolerant jihadists' beheading or otherwise murdering everyone in sight. Thanks publius321.


34 posted on 04/28/2011 7:05:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SuzyQue; macquire; piytar
IMHO, CS Lewis dealt with the question quite nicely in The Last Battle, the final installment of The Chronicles of Narnia in the describing the fate of the Calormene Prince Emeth.
35 posted on 04/28/2011 7:05:46 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: publius321

Sorry everyone about the HORRIBLE attempt at spelling in my previous post.


36 posted on 04/28/2011 7:07:47 PM PDT by publius321
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To: SupplySider

The second man in your story doesn’t exist...there is no man that does only good his whole life. In fact there were mobsters in the heyday that that did more good helping communities, the elderly, building schools and love their children dearly more than average man, does the mobster good deeds outweight the average guy deeds?


37 posted on 04/28/2011 7:11:35 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: SupplySider

Suggested reading, Romans Chapter one to the end.


38 posted on 04/28/2011 7:13:54 PM PDT by Vor Lady
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To: publius321

I suppose BOR needs to refresh his memory of Scripture.

Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God

Ephhesians 2:9 “not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”


39 posted on 04/28/2011 7:21:50 PM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: SupplySider
Put another way, one man murders, rapes and steals his whole life, but on his death bed thinks and feels "I admit my sins and accept Jesus as my savior". Another man helps the poor, loves and provides for his family and community, and does nothing but good his whole life. This man was born in Thailand, so he is a Buddhist. Or he was born in Egypt and is a Muslim.

The answer is that only God knows the heart. If someone is truly repentent, He will welcome that person into His Kingdom without condition. The thief on the cross hanging next to Jesus basically had a "deathbed conversion" and Jesus told him, "I tell you today you will be with Me in Paradise." According to the Bible, if one is trying to get in God's good Graces by being "good" or doing good works, He sees it as offering Him filthy rags (mentrual rags). If one breaks one commandment (and His standard is higher than ours, we can break them in our hearts) then all are broken. He doesn't have a point system.

God is perfect and Holy and cannot even look upon sin. But because He loves us so much and wants a relationship with us, He provided a way for that to be accomplished, and that was through the death and resurrection of the perfect, sinless Lamb, who is Christ Jesus. When you die and stand before God, He will not see your sins, He will see the perfection which is Christ in you. He bought you with a price, and that price was His death on the cross.

The Bible also says that God is revealed as the Creator in just about everything we see, yet so many worship the creation instead of He who created it. If someone is truly seeking God--and not some idol--but the Creator of everything, He will reveal Himself to them. He is a loving and merciful God, but he is also a Just God. And He is a jealous God. He declares that there is NO OTHER God but Him, and the way to Him is through the Son--by accepting Him as Lord and Savior of their life, and by faith, believing and trusting in Him and Him alone.

The most amazing thing about this is it has nothing to do with anything that we've done or will do. It is all about what Christ did! Jesus said that once you are in His hand, NO ONE or NOTHING can snatch you away from Him. I rest in that promise.

God's ways are not our ways, and they will work out for His perfect Will and justice. He knows who is His--who will come to Him, and everyone who He has known and was written in the Book of Life before the world began will come to Him. No one will slip out of His grasp. He will make certain of it--even if it is at their very last breath.

40 posted on 04/28/2011 7:39:52 PM PDT by Shelayne (He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly" Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! *Rev 22:20)
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To: Olog-hai
"There are also several other verses that demonstrate that the vast majority of mankind is to be saved."

On the one hand there's this--"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” Rev 7:9-10

On the other hand there's this--"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."

41 posted on 04/28/2011 7:42:16 PM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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To: publius321

Graham tells him what he believes the Scripture means, and Ted Baxter gets angry at him—???

That’s senseless.


42 posted on 04/28/2011 7:42:16 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Past Your Eyes

I just get the Dennis Miller segment from Freedom’s Lighthouse, or Hope for America.

BOR is a Stooge.


43 posted on 04/28/2011 7:45:12 PM PDT by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: publius321

Franklin Graham is the real deal.


44 posted on 04/28/2011 7:48:59 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: SupplySider
C S Lewis discusses this exact dilemma in his novel, "The Great Divorce".

Mind you, being an atheist I don't believe a word of it...but it is generally considered to be a good explanation of the doctrine in question, so you may want to peruse it. I found it quite enjoyable myself.

45 posted on 04/28/2011 7:51:15 PM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: Vor Lady

Amen! There are no poor innocents.


46 posted on 04/28/2011 7:54:02 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: publius321

I wonder if it would stoke Bill’s outrage to learn (because I doubt he knows) that people who believe as you believe, as Rev. Graham believes, and as I believe, are under the anathema of the Catholic Church. Rome hates free grace ao much they would consign us to Hell because we believe in Christ alone through grace alone!

“At the Council of Trent (1545-1563), the declarations of which are still in force, the Roman Catholic Church formally condemned the biblical doctrine of faith alone and grace alone. Consider the following declarations of Trent:

“If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Sixth Session, Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 12).

“If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA” (Sixth Session, Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 24).

http://www.wayoflife.org/database/romedeniesgrace.html


47 posted on 04/28/2011 7:54:17 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: SupplySider

Paul addresses your objections in Roman chapter 8

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (is that “fair” or “compassionate” to Esau? - Persevero)

14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?”


48 posted on 04/28/2011 7:55:42 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: macquire
To answer a couple of questions regarding those who die without accepting Christ, The only way to salvation and eternal life) that troubles believers regarding people who have had no one tell them of Him, read Romans 1:18-20.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God, is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. (20) For since creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.

Psalm 19:1-6 "The heavens declare the glory of God.......There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard." This would seem to tell us that no one, regardless of who, where or when, is without the knowledge of God to be believed or not.

Take Abraham, Genesis 15:6 "And he (Abraham) believed in the Lord and He accounted it to him for righteousness." By "believing in the Lord," and acting on that belief, Abraham was "accounted righteous" by God. (Pre-Christ grace by God for "believers.")

49 posted on 04/28/2011 8:15:01 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: terycarl

Please check out my response to macquire below regarding “people who’ve never heard of Jesus.”


50 posted on 04/28/2011 8:19:31 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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