Poll: 4 in 10 Southerners Still Side With Confederacy

aolnews ^ | Apr 13, 2011 – 7:10 AM | lauren frayer

[OL Hickory]

A century and a half after the opening shots of the U.S. Civil War, nearly four in 10 Southerners say they still sympathize with the Confederacy.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

Go figure. Trying actually digging deeper for a change. Remember, it’s the victor that writes the history books. The loser is always the “evil” one and the victor the “righteous” one, despite what facts say. Facts are easy to twist.

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Well, “side” is kind of vague. There’s a world of difference between actually hoping that the secessionists had won the war and just cheering on the team colors, between siding with the rebs because it still matters and siding with them because it no longer does.

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Remember, it’s the victor that writes the history books.

And the losers create the myths?

The loser is always the “evil” one and the victor the “righteous” one, despite what facts say.

Really? Look at what schools were teaching about Reconstruction and "Radical Republicans" sixty years ago. You'd think the Confederates won the war. Maybe they did win the after-war.

Facts are easy to twist.

Well it wasn't hard to get thousands of people to think that their grandfathers went to war over the tariff.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

the losers winners create the myths

There. Fixed it for you.

[phi11yguy19]

what I've presented clearly shows the prominence that the institution of slavery had for those secessionists

who's questioning the prominence of slavery in 1861? it was prominent in 1776 as well. but it wasn't just a white superiority/morality issue (the north held their own just fine when it came to being racist, slave-trading, (re)colonizing scum), it was economic and political as well.

the issue re: slavery was whose right was it to regulate it, and at that time, the right was still reserved to the states. the northern states wanted to control expansion of slavery (via the federal government which had no such charter), thus contracting southern influence in the union's federal government in perpetuity and subjugating them to northern control - i.e. control the expansion of slavery (forget the blacks, we can just ship 'em out of here) and we control those southern agricultural states and all their revenue dollars. not quite the "union" the southern states were promised in 1789, eh?

Oh, and of course there were all those other things you didn't excerpt that were listed in the declarations and ordinances of secession. but those are summaries...feel free to reference the decades of congressional speeches you keep ignoring while polluting other threads as well.

[rockrr]

You’re contradicting yourself. You assert that the loser is always evil but we know that isn’t true by any stretch. You claim that southern schools are teaching this untruth but that wasn’t my experience. You say that I must “dig deeper” for facts that aren’t facts.

[phi11yguy19]

The south gave us the commie FDR
we talking about the same guy from New York? With electoral vote margins ranging from 63% to 97%, he was a national failure.

i disagree with rural/urban 100% as well. though maps may appear that way, the dichotomy is between independent, self-sufficient, responsible individuals vs wards and beneficiaries of the state. welfare recipients, government employees, tenured "intellectuals", unionistas (e.g. anyone who doesn't need to put a fair day's work in to get a paycheck), general vote one way, while their counterparts vote the other. sure, those attitudes often trend geographically, it's nothing in the rural water that makes people "get it" more than in the city.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

...it's nothing in the rural water that makes people "get it" more than in the city.

You just lost all credibility with me. My county and rural counties like mine votes conservative to the tune of 75%. Show me a string of urban counties that do the same. You can't.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

we talking about the same guy from New York?

Origin of liberals make no difference as I said, urban libs in the north are the same as urban libs in the south and likewise with the conservatives in both. The south gave us Bill Clinton and Lyndon Johnson, remember?

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

You claim that southern schools are teaching this untruth but that wasn’t my experience.

What? Kids aren't taught that the war was to free the slaves and the Lincoln was the great emancipator? News to me.... ;-)

You say that I must “dig deeper” for facts that aren’t facts.

Alright, go ahead and prove something I said to be wrong. ;-)

[Partisan Gunslinger]

and Jimmy Carter, how could I forget that ultra-lib.

[wardaddy]

I support Dixie period....whichever the incarnation

[Partisan Gunslinger]

we talking about the same guy from New York? With electoral vote margins ranging from 63% to 97%, he was a national failure.

But he never lost a southern state, whereas he did lose northern ones which proves my original point that the south has no lock on freedom, they're no better than northerners when compared urban to urban and rural to rural.

[central_va]

Southerners aren't any more inclined to freedom than Northerners, the only reason why southern states are more republican is because they're more rural

You know nothing about someone born in the South. You have no clue and never will.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

You know nothing about someone born in the South. You have no clue and never will.

I can look at a presidential election map and see that the south is no different than the north when it comes to supporting freedom. History also shows how much they loved the commie FDR. Plus, when I'm in the south I get harassed with all the roadblocks and checkpoints. If you guys are so much freer, why do you put up with the cops hassling you like that?

[phi11yguy19]

You just lost all credibility with me.

I guess pre-1980 Texas on one end and Salt Lake City on the other (for starters) lose credibility with you as well?

As I said, geographics doesn't mean as much as demographics. That rural areas generally require more self-sufficiency, and that urban areas often exploit welfare programs, unions, get-out-the-vote techniques, etc., is a correlation to conservative and liberal values, not causation. Family, education, occupation, etc. all play a huge role. Myself and my large extended family are very conservative, and we all always lived in or around Philadelphia or other large NE metropolises.

[central_va]

WE only harass Yankees, you don’t know the secret sign.

[central_va]

and Jimmy Carter, how could I forget that ultra-lib.

The South used to be so partisan that nobody would vote Republican because it was the Party of Lincoln. Well those days are over.

[phi11yguy19]

The south gave us Bill Clinton and Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter

Barry Goldwater was southern and urban (Phoenix).

[phi11yguy19]

I can look at a presidential election map and see ...

Well, there it is. Presidential maps (like statistics) never lie. All you need to do is look at one and you'll have all the information you need to formulate a convincing stereotype.