Posted on 05/07/2011 4:24:11 PM PDT by kingattax
Gutsy? Please. A White House insider offers a peek behind the scenes regarding the no-brainer decision to take out bin Laden:
President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president. … [T]here had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper.
The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. … Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in [getting Obama to take] a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again.
(Excerpt) Read more at moonbattery.com ...
No matter how much I expect a story like this to be true, it was started by a blogger named Ulstermann who is a notorious spreader of disinformation.
Is Ulcer-man the only source of these kinds of rumors? It’s certainly characteristic of Obummer’s M.O.
Whomever started this rumor apparently never heard of the Goldwater-Nichols Act. It's quite clear, and every combatant commander in the US Armed Forces knows exactly what it says. If Leon Panetta told an UCC to pick up a piece of paper, let alone execute a raid in a foreign country, he would be instructed to do something to himself that is biologically impossible.
In the US, military officers only take orders from one civilian - that's the SecDef, and SecDef only takes orders from CIC. It's not policy, it's federal law.
If he'd given the order to take out Obama, well that would be illegal.
It just seems like it all started with him. If you go back on most of these stories and see who they reference, they all end up on his blog. It would be interesting to see who is behind him, he pushes a lot of crap out and his rumors are picked up all over the place. I wonder if he is one of the old HSWs (Hillary’s Secret Warriors)- bloggers she had to spread disinfo.
Good point.
That was exactly what I thought.
LOL. So piñata NEVER mentions it to Obama before issuing the order to go get him.
Yep, sure - but people will believe that Obama wants the economy to improve...so, I guess, people will fall for anything.
Not according to Judge Denise Lind.
According to Judge Denise Lind the lawfulness of a brigade commander’s orders has NOTHING to do with there being lawful, Constitutional Presidential orders. Totally irrelevant, she said.
Obama made this bed; by golly he better lie in it.
That’s all I have to say. I’m out.
That is how I read that headline..I had to do a double take.
It’s not entirely mine. The Hillary bubble was added by another. My contribution was Obozo’s bubble.
Hey, go for it. The more the merrier.
It was a long standing U.S. strategy to take out Bin Laden. Whoever gave the orders were not gutsy and were simply discharging minimal government duties.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2716006/posts#comment
WTF?
It may be a rumor. In any case it would be another
typical Keystone Kop Kaper from clowns who don’t know their rear end from a hole in the ground when it comes to military tactics and strategy. That “brilliant” military strategist from Chicago, Valerie Jarrett, was constantly ragging on the Fearless Leader to scrub the mission. Telling the world about the intelligence data captured was another dumb @ss blunder.
Leon Panetta grabbed the bull by the horns and gave the go ahead for the SEALS to execute the mission. Thank you Leon.
The Fearless Leader was seen crouching down behind Biden and looking like a deer caught in the headlights, scared sh1tless.
Are you one of dem dere Nawth Gawja Rednecks? :-)
6-months later, and you still don't get it. Not surprised.
Yeah I’m still waiting for the big scandal to break, Ulstermann.
Given the phrasing of the title, it would be a tough choice.
Given the phrasing of the title, it would be a tough choice.
Thanks it’s a gem.
I know what WTF means but am curious why I rated one?
i is a kentucky kernel
Yes, but very much appreciated.
Uh, the Director of the CIA never operates militarily? Righteeyo boss... lessee, there was this war in Vietnam? And this program called Phoenix? And before and since then... let me count the ways... LOL...
CIA Takes On Major New Military Role - 'I Mean Killing People...'
But hey, don't let me slow you down - the show is great!
If the kid at Starbucks voiced opposition to a plan it would make Barry uncertain. I have no doubt that at some Point Panetta, Clinton and Gates said “eff it” and ordered the raid. They probably waited until Barry was conveniently out on the golf course to do it.
can the media, and everyone, stop using the word gutsy?
Thats what I heard. After waiting 16 hours for a reply from O, he went with it. Ima think that after it was a success O took credit. If it went bad it would have been Penetta’s babey
Thats what I heard. After waiting 16 hours for a reply from O, he went with it. Ima think that after it was a success O took credit. If it went bad it would have been Penetta’s babey
No, he sent Obama to take out an order of burger and fries.
No, they don't. They operate para-militarily. They do have their own special operations division, but those men are not members of the US armed forces. They work for CIA and CIA alone. Mike Spann, the first American to die in combat in Afghanistan after 9/11 was just such a CIA operator. While he was former US special forces officer, as virtually all operators are, he was no longer in uniform service.
"Righteeyo boss... lessee, there was this war in Vietnam? And this program called Phoenix? And before and since then... let me count the ways... LOL... "
Right, and after that strange bout of nervous laughter, you might want to educate yourself before someone takes you for a moron. I didn't get a chance to go to one of them fancy public schools, but I'm pretty sure the Vietnam Conflict and operation Phoenix came after 1986. Why is 1986 important? Well, 1986 is the year Congress passed and Reagan signed the Goldwater-Nichols Act.
'But hey, don't let me slow you down - the show is great!"
The only that was put on in this exchange was from you - it was an unequivocally showing that you don't know what you're talking about. Just saying. Leon Panetta is not part of the military chain of command, by design of federal law. He cannot, by law, issue orders to anyone in a unified combatant commands, like the US Navy Seals, who are all part of (for this particular mission) JSOC, and are normally part of NSWC which, like JSOC, is an element of USSOCOM.
Did Hillary start the rumor that Panetta sent the order rather than Obama?
“In the US, military officers only take orders from one civilian - that’s the SecDef, and SecDef only takes orders from CIC. It’s not policy, it’s federal law.”
What if they know CIC is illegal? What then?
I think it flies over the heads of many when the media reports that the operational control of the SEALS was given over to CIA. Which is actually not accurate.
That oversimplified what actually happened. In truth, Panetta couldn’t have given the order without first negotiating the “on order” part of the Op Order. Panetta was nothing more than a trigger that caused SOCCOM to release the execute order, and CENTCOM to release the execute order for all other supporting units.
The media still believes this was a 40-man SEAL mission. Yeah. Right.
Good’un kernel! Thanks
The story was corroborated by another blogger and his WH sources (Ace of Spades).
Excuse me, it was not Ace of Spades, but rather it was Atlas Shrugged Blog.
Well, I trust Ace. I’ll see what he has to say.
oh good, I know Pam, I’ll see what she says.
“...primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett...”
Valerie Jarrett: Iranian of the Day!!!!
snip: “Jarrett is a member of African-American and Chicago royalty. But her story and her life begin in the Middle East, not the Midwest. She was born in 1956 in Shiraz, Iran, about 570 miles south of Tehran.”
“Every memory from Iran is a very happy memory,” Jarrett told me in an e-mail...”
‘Nuf said about the “woman” that whips the sissy-boy-in-chief.
http://www.iranian.com/main/singlepage/2008/valerie-jarrett
I will save you the time and effort.
SKULKING TOWARDS BIN LADEN: OBAMA OVERRIDDEN BY MILITARY AND INTEL OFFICIALS IN TAKEOUT OF OBL?
I read where the rational for the hit was strichly political...With the upcoming election it came out that Obama had a chance to get bin landin and refused, He’s be toast...
Not you.
This is spin for the consumption of the “it’s not obammy’s fault. The powers that be did it!” radical left wingers. Obama signed a death warrent for Osama in the form of an executive order. Sen. Shelby saw the EO.
Think about it. Holder put cia agents on trial for water boarding the terrorists captured in war. Do you think for a minute the military would go in and execute jihad’s hero without zero taking responsibility for the action?
That is super stupid.
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