Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Definitive Scandal: ‘Gunwalker’ Much Worse Than ‘Iran-Contra’
Pajamas Media ^ | June 16, 2011 | Bob Owens

Posted on 06/16/2011 10:53:57 AM PDT by jazusamo

Pay attention to this era-defining event: The 2,000+ weapons are implicated in an estimated 150 shootings of Mexican officers and soldiers, two American officers, and an unknown number of civilians.

On October 5, 1986, a former U.S. Air Force C-123 transport plane was shot down in Nicaragua. The pilots and radio operator perished when the plane crashed, but a former U.S. Marine who was a cargo handler on the aircraft was able to parachute to safety. He was captured by the Nicaraguan government.

The former Marine, Eugene Hasenfus, claimed to be a cargo handler for the CIA. His capture and trial began the unraveling of what became known as the Iran-Contra Affair, which saw 14 Reagan-era officials indicted and eleven convictions for a plot that traded arms to Iran for hostages and illegally funded Nicaragua’s anti-communist rebels.

On December 14, 2010, a special unit of the U.S. Border Patrol came across a group of heavily armed suspects near Rio Rico, Arizona. The Border Patrol team identified themselves as law enforcement officers, at which point the armed men open fire. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was hit in the pelvis by a single bullet and died the next morning. One of the suspects was captured, and two AK-pattern semiautomatic rifles recovered at the scene were identified by serial number as weapons that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) — acting in concert with and with the blessing of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) — allowed weapons smugglers to purchase at U.S. gun shops. The weapons were just two of more than 2,000 firearms that ATF supervisors and the highest levels of DOJ management allowed to be “walked” across the border to narco-terrorist drug cartels in Mexico, in a scandal that promises to be more damning and deadly than Iran-Contra.

The ATF named their operation Fast and Furious, but it will go down in history by its more descriptive title: “Gunwalker.”

The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is holding hearings this week on Gunwalker, and seems to be squaring up for a political duel with the Obama administration, which is seeking to block all access to official information about the operation. To date, the information collected by the committee has come from ATF whisteblowers, agents inside the operation who fought against senior government officials who were “giddy” over the death and violence from the roughly 2000+ weapons that they allowed smugglers to take across the border — weapons that seemed to be raising the body count in what was arguably becoming a Mexican civil war.

A damning and detailed 51-page report — The Department of Justice’s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents (.pdf) — was released by the committee on Tuesday. The report captured testimony from ATF field agents who fought with their supervisors over orders that flew in direct contradiction to their primary order: to always follow the suspect with the gun and always interdict to keep the weapon from being used in a crime.

The report’s findings:

“DOJ and ATF inappropriately and recklessly relied on a 20-year-old ATF Order to allow guns to walk.” The agencies misrepresented the intention of the order to justify their actions.

“Supervisors told the agents to ‘get with the program’ because senior ATF officials had sanctioned the operation.” At least one agent was cautioned that if he didn’t stop complaining about the dangerous nature of the operation, he would find himself out of a job, and lucky to be working in a prison.

“Operation Fast and Furious contributed to the increasing violence and deaths in Mexico. This result was regarded with giddy optimism by ATF supervisors hoping that guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico would provide the nexus to straw purchasers in Phoenix.” ATF officials were seemingly unconcerned over the deaths of Mexican law enforcement officers, soldiers, and innocent civilians, noting that you had to “scramble a few eggs” to make an omelette, in a callous disregard or human life.

Senior ATF personnel including Acting Director Ken Melson, and senior Department of Justice officials at least up to an assistant attorney general, were well aware of and supported the operation.

Department of Justice officials hid behind semantics to lie and deny that they allowed guns to be walked across the border.

When asked by the Oversight Committee how many of 1,750 specific weapons that “walked” under orders of the ATF and DOJ could have been interdicted if agents were allowed to act as they were trained, the agents answered they could have stopped every single one.

The more than 2,000 weapons that the Obama Justice Department allowed to be delivered to Mexican narco-terrorist cartels are thought to have been used in the shooting of an estimated 150 Mexican law enforcement officers and soldiers battling the cartels. Two American law enforcement officers have also presumably fallen prey to these weapons, along with an unknown number of civilians on both sides of the border.

President Barack Obama’s Department of Justice has purposefully armed narco-terrorist drug cartels that have been accused of bombings, ambushes, mass murders, public executions, and the assassination of police, politicians, and civic leaders.

Obama’s Justice Department armed the enemy of our neighbor and ally, providing enough arms to equip ten infantry companies, or two battalions, of violent drug dealers.

Iran-Contra was a misguided attempt to trade arms for hostages and supply a covert supply of arms to rebels fighting against a communist dictatorship during the Cold War.

Gunrunner was an attempt to develop enough gun-running evidence to bring down a cartel, and instead supplied thousands of arms to drug cartels locked in a life-or-death struggle with a key U.S. ally and trading partner.

You tell me which is worse.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batfe; batfeisajoke; bhofascism; corruption; democrats; doj; dojisajoke; fastandfurious; fraud; govtabuse; guncontrol; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; holdertruthfile; irancontra; irancountra; kenmelson; liberalfascism; melson; mythof90percent; obama; obamatruthfile; projectgunwalker; tyranny
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-63 next last

1 posted on 06/16/2011 10:54:02 AM PDT by jazusamo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

there is absolutely NO comparison


2 posted on 06/16/2011 10:55:14 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kingattax

You’re absolutely right.


3 posted on 06/16/2011 10:57:27 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
Gunrunner was an attempt to develop enough gun-running evidence to bring down a cartel, and instead supplied thousands of arms to drug cartels locked in a life-or-death struggle with a key U.S. ally and trading partner.

I still believe that this was an attempt by the government to implicate legal gun sales in drug cartel murders, thus trying to justify more regulations and restrictions on gun ownership inside the US. Chasing after the drug cartels was secondary at most.

4 posted on 06/16/2011 10:58:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! Tea Party extremism is a badge of honor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

Well of course ,Leftist Idiots are involved in this.


5 posted on 06/16/2011 10:59:30 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio

I agree. There’s nothing the ATF would like more than to severely restrict or even prohibit private gun ownership.


6 posted on 06/16/2011 11:03:41 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
President Barack Obama’s Department of Justice has purposefully armed narco-terrorist drug cartels that have been accused of bombings, ambushes, mass murders, public executions, and the assassination of police, politicians, and civic leaders.

He'll say that the agents, who, after all, were holdovers from the Bush administration, "acted stupidly."

7 posted on 06/16/2011 11:04:17 AM PDT by StonyMan451
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

“Gunrunner was an attempt to develop enough gun-running evidence to bring down a cartel, and instead supplied thousands of arms to drug cartels locked in a life-or-death struggle with a key U.S. ally and trading partner.”

I hope Issa gets to the bottom of this, however Mexico is not an ally. Anything that we give to Mexico will come back to hurt us.


8 posted on 06/16/2011 11:04:28 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio
to justify more regulations and restrictions on gun ownership inside the US

And to demoralize AZ to boot.

Napolitano (the anti-Arizona Arizonan) is likely in on this as well.

9 posted on 06/16/2011 11:06:26 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
It seems to me that in regards to the Constitutional separation of powers and that all bills for raising revenue need to start in the House of Representatives - the Executive selling arms to Iran to fund an army in South America is much more serious.

Imagine if 0bama sold arms to Iran and used the money to fund a rebel army in South America. Would you say that was a bigger deal than ATF allowing lots of guns to hit the streets?

Dismantle the ATF. Alcohol Tobacco Explosives and Firearms sounds like a typical weekend back home - or a damn fine bait shop - it shouldn't be a federal agency.

10 posted on 06/16/2011 11:07:23 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

There is only one reason the lefties did this: To put the blame on American gun dealers for selling guns to the Mexicans. They claimed so many firearms going across the border but the real numbers didn’t add up, so in order to push their radical anti-gun agenda they made up their own scandal. Back fired on them though, didn’t it. Every official involved in this down to the lowest agent and up to the top of the heap should be headed for jail.


11 posted on 06/16/2011 11:08:09 AM PDT by calex59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: StonyMan451

I’d bet you’re right but I doubt it can all be attributed to the Bush abmin.

It’s going to be interesting to see how long Holder will be able last, I’d bet money he’s into this up to his neck.


12 posted on 06/16/2011 11:09:39 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
13 posted on 06/16/2011 11:11:23 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
Gunrunner was an attempt to develop enough gun-running evidence to bring down a cartel,.....

PhotobucketPhotobucketPhotobucket

14 posted on 06/16/2011 11:15:02 AM PDT by Roccus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

“Gunrunner was an attempt to develop enough gun-running evidence to bring down a cartel,”

Horse dung and we all know it.

It gave Obama the chance to tell stupid Americans who don’t know any better ,that American guns from gun shows and gun stores that had no integrity were selling guns to Mexicans.

We know now that these stores were the first ones to report this to the ATF, who under Obama’s direction allowed this atrociy to happen. We need a new “honest” ‘truthful’ Non-Muslim President.


15 posted on 06/16/2011 11:15:51 AM PDT by Venturer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Roccus

Bump


16 posted on 06/16/2011 11:18:53 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
two AK-pattern semiautomatic rifles recovered at the scene

Wow, the rare article that gets every single statement about guns correct.

17 posted on 06/16/2011 11:20:06 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cheetahcat
This is why liberals should not be involved in law enforcement.
18 posted on 06/16/2011 11:23:18 AM PDT by oldbrowser (breitbart for a Pulitzer Prize)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio

“I still believe that this was an attempt by the government to implicate legal gun sales in drug cartel murders, thus trying to justify more regulations and restrictions on gun ownership inside the US”

That’s EXACTLY what this was all about. They had a narrative that they wanted to prove but didn’t have the facts so they tried to create them.


19 posted on 06/16/2011 11:31:05 AM PDT by Castigar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

“You tell me which is worse.”

Oh definitely Gunrunner IMO, and especially if we add in the part you (the author) didn’t mention which would be about the gun grabbing aspect, or intent of operation “GunWalker”.


20 posted on 06/16/2011 11:38:02 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rockinqsranch

I couldn’t agree more, rqsr. The gun grabbing aspect and arming of drug cartels warrants the people behind this winding up in federal prison, many people have died because of their criminal conduct.


21 posted on 06/16/2011 11:46:31 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

Let’s be VERY careful because words mean things.

Gunrunner started during the Bush administration. Straw gun buyers were tracked, arrested and the guns were seized.

Operation Fast and Furious began in 2009 under Obama and Holder. Straw gun buyers were tracked, NOT arrested and the guns were NOT seized.

Agents were met with threats when they questioned the policy.

This is an important distinction.

During testimony yesterday a break in DOJs time line was exposed. Obama gave an interview to hispanic television in March, before DOJ admitted the operation even existed. This means they expect Issa and company to believe that Obama knew but Holder did not.

YEAH, RIGHT. If Holder gets a contempt charge he’ll be LUCKY.


22 posted on 06/16/2011 11:47:35 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland (!@)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

I agree with most that the idea here was to implicate honest firearm dealers and owners.

For those that think the media would report the facts, remember, the number of children killed by firearms statistics includes those up to age 25 and those killed by the police or citizens in self-defense.


23 posted on 06/16/2011 11:48:36 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio
I still believe that this was an attempt by the government to implicate legal gun sales in drug cartel murders, thus trying to justify more regulations and restrictions on gun ownership inside the US. Chasing after the drug cartels was secondary at most.

I agree. Chasing cartels was never the real goal - justifying regulations was. Prior to this getting out, we were starting to see stories about how easy it was for Mexicans to get guns from the US. Little did we know that it was easy because the ATF was making it so.

This was an attempt to justify destruction of the second amendment. Our national socialist party doesn't like an armed populace for obvious reasons.

24 posted on 06/16/2011 11:53:30 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: calex59
Every other excuse can't hold water. This was a DOMESTIC terror plot to disarm, frighten and destabilize the American people. From the beginning Hussein has deliberately poised a threat to individual liberties and collective American exceptional-ism.

Whatever your real name, I refuse all your plots. You are an illegal foreign born tyrant, you'll swing from a lamppost someday!

25 posted on 06/16/2011 11:59:41 AM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: calex59
Every other excuse can't hold water. This was a DOMESTIC terror plot to disarm, frighten and destabilize the American people. From the beginning Hussein has deliberately poised a threat to individual liberties and collective American exceptional-ism.

Whatever your real name, I refuse all your plots. You are an illegal foreign born tyrant, you'll swing from a lamppost someday!

26 posted on 06/16/2011 12:00:18 PM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: calex59
Every other excuse can't hold water. This was a DOMESTIC terror plot to disarm, frighten and destabilize the American people. From the beginning Hussein has deliberately poised a threat to individual liberties and collective American exceptional-ism.

Whatever your real name, I refuse all your plots. You are an illegal foreign born tyrant, you'll swing from a lamppost someday!

27 posted on 06/16/2011 12:00:26 PM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: calex59
Every other excuse can't hold water. This was a DOMESTIC terror plot to disarm, frighten and destabilize the American people. From the beginning Hussein has deliberately poised a threat to individual liberties and collective American exceptional-ism.

Whatever your real name, I refuse all your plots. You are an illegal foreign born tyrant, you'll swing from a lamppost someday!

28 posted on 06/16/2011 12:00:29 PM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: calex59
Every other excuse can't hold water. This was a DOMESTIC terror plot to disarm, frighten and destabilize the American people. From the beginning Hussein has deliberately poised a threat to individual liberties and collective American exceptional-ism.

Whatever your real name, I refuse all your plots. You are an illegal foreign born tyrant, you'll swing from a lamppost someday!

29 posted on 06/16/2011 12:00:29 PM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: calex59
Every other excuse can't hold water. This was a DOMESTIC terror plot to disarm, frighten and destabilize the American people. From the beginning Hussein has deliberately poised a threat to individual liberties and collective American exceptional-ism.

Whatever your real name, I refuse all your plots. You are an illegal foreign born tyrant, you'll swing from a lamppost someday!

30 posted on 06/16/2011 12:00:51 PM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: calex59
Every other excuse can't hold water. This was a DOMESTIC terror plot to disarm, frighten and destabilize the American people. From the beginning Hussein has deliberately poised a threat to individual liberties and collective American exceptional-ism.

Whatever your real name, I refuse all your plots. You are an illegal foreign born tyrant, you'll swing from a lamppost someday!

31 posted on 06/16/2011 12:01:04 PM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: calex59
Every other excuse can't hold water. This was a DOMESTIC terror plot to disarm, frighten and destabilize the American people. From the beginning Hussein has deliberately poised a threat to individual liberties and collective American exceptional-ism.

Whatever your real name, I refuse all your plots. You are an illegal foreign born tyrant, you'll swing from a lamppost someday!

32 posted on 06/16/2011 12:01:04 PM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio
I still believe that this was an attempt by the government to implicate legal gun sales in drug cartel murders, thus trying to justify more regulations and restrictions on gun ownership inside the US. Chasing after the drug cartels was secondary at most.

Yep, the idea that these cartels needed these guns in particular is ludicrous - they have the money and contacts to get the same or better weapons at cheaper prices from around the world. Another Freeper pointed out that it made no sense for the cartels to spend so much money on these guns ($500 for an AK) and couldn't figure out why they did it.

But what if the cartels actually made a deal with the Obama administration to buy and use the guns. Then Obama uses the resulting carnage to attack gun rights in the US, and pays the catels by looking the other way when drugs get imported, or when dealers could be arrested.

33 posted on 06/16/2011 12:04:29 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
Gunrunner was an attempt to develop enough gun-running evidence to bring down a cartel the 2nd amendment
34 posted on 06/16/2011 12:09:56 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

When will impeachment proceedings begin? We have so many issues that are now impeachable offenses...so what are they waiting on?


35 posted on 06/16/2011 12:10:19 PM PDT by shield (Rev2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: oldbrowser

“This is why liberals should not be involved in law enforcement.”

Exactly,there is a bad flaw in someone who professes to be a liberal.


36 posted on 06/16/2011 12:53:03 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

37 posted on 06/16/2011 1:41:42 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

Bob, you miss the TRUE purpose of Gunwalker, that being to create the “necessity” for new, more repressive gun legislation in the US!!! Two “Gunwalker” sold rifles were left at the scene of Terry’s murder!! How often do criminals leave their weapons at the scene??? Were they PLANTED on the direction of the ATF in order to provide evidence that new legislation was needed?????? Remember, if John Dodson had not spoken up and become the first and most important ATF whistleblower, from the day of Terry’s killing right up to NOW, there would be nothing but the tragic death of a Border Patrol agent! And leftists in DC—including the Obama Regime—would be SCREAMING for more gun legislation.


38 posted on 06/16/2011 2:08:36 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

Hmmmmm....let’s see, one operation fought communists, while the other got people killed in an operation aimed at ginning up false evidence to be used to violate my civil rights under color of law. Yup, identical ops. Excellent comparison.


39 posted on 06/16/2011 2:34:33 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio

Karl, you have hit the nail directly on the head! This was a two edged covert op...both edges sinister in their inception...guns to the drug cartels stupid...blame the US NRA and the second amendment for the whole damn problem of the resulting mahime priceless...

The left is always subverting the truth of intent...never can their ideas stand up to real and rational informed citizens!!! never!!!


40 posted on 06/16/2011 2:41:37 PM PDT by Turborules (`)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Still Thinking

Well said. The first operation fought for freedom while the second fights against it.


41 posted on 06/16/2011 2:41:54 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo

Wow, you made the same point I was trying to get at more clearly in about half the words!


42 posted on 06/16/2011 2:45:36 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
During the hearing yesterday the Democrats kept trying to make it a gun control issue and kept saying there were "abuses" in the Bush administration too. The media will NEVER pick it up and go crazy with it like they have Iran/Contra or Valerie Plame and the other fake Republican "scandals".

Won't happen.

43 posted on 06/16/2011 2:45:54 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KarlInOhio

No. All the gun dealers were in on it with the ATF. It was the higher-ups who wouldn’t allow any arrests or interdiction of the straw buyers that caused the agents to blow the whistle. Many of the gun dealers complained that nothing was being done to stop obvious potential crime and they wanted out of the operation.


44 posted on 06/16/2011 2:50:53 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: allmendream; All

“Imagine if 0bama sold arms to Iran and used the money to fund a rebel army in South America. Would you say that was a bigger deal than ATF allowing lots of guns to hit the streets?”

You mean rebels against a Communist dictator like his buddy Hugo Chavez? HA, like that’d ever happen! (He’d be funding Chavez; he would’ve funded Castro as well. And we’ve seen how he sucked up to Brazil’s Communist leader at our expense.)

BHO et al love Communists. Reagan and North did NOT. Arms were traded to free hostages, Iran had long been an ally until fairly recently at that time, AND it didn’t have a fanatical, lunatic Twelver as leader who was racing full speed to build & launch nukes to obliterate Israel first and us (if possible) second.

BHO et al care nothing about our safety or securing our borders, view illegals as additional Democrat voters, and create/promote chaos & violence as a Progressive tactic to take our republic (and us) down. It’s also never mentioned how many terrorists and suitcase nukes have come across our porous borders.

As far as ATF “allowing lots of guns to hit the streets”, that’s wildly understated. The ATF, at the behest, or with the blessing, of BHO, Holder, Napolitano et al, aided and armed lawless, murderous thugs to kill our citizens & border protectors as well as public officials of our ally.


45 posted on 06/16/2011 2:54:41 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: jazusamo
I've been asking this question since February. I'm glad someone is finally making the comparison now.

February 3, 2011:

This sounds a lot like Reagan's Iran-Contra scandal. While Iran-Contra did not bring down Reagan's presidency, it did result in the resignation of the National Security Advisor (Adm. Poindexter), and the firing of Col. Oliver North.

Will there be any lower-level resignations/firings over this?

March 24, 2011:

Question: What is worse, selling arms to Iranian rebels and diverting the profits to support Contra rebels in Nicaragua, or supplying arms to Mexican drug cartels to track the routes taken in order to lead back to the cartel HQ?

The former led to the resignation of Secretary of State Caspar Weinberger and the firing of Adm. Poindexter and Col. North. It almost brought down a presidency.

What will the latter lead to?

-PJ
46 posted on 06/16/2011 2:58:51 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Peter from Rutland

Exactly. “Gunrunner” is not “Fast and Furious”, but that’s how the media and the Democrats will blur the issue and lie about the outcome. That stooge from Holder’s office made me want to shoot my TV and then when Congressman Clayborne apologized for Issa I had to go running to keep my head from exploding.


47 posted on 06/16/2011 2:59:10 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: llandres
That the rebels were pro-Communist or anti-Communist makes no difference to the Constitution. The Executive cannot raise money by selling arms and then use that money absent legislation to fund a rebel army.

Hostages were thrown in on the deal - but the money raised was via selling arms to Iran.

The Iran that Reagan traded with was the same Mullah ruled Ayatollah Khomeini inspired regime. Iran was our ally under the Shah - the guy they drove out of the country. That they were not then on the brink of having nuclear arms doesn't detract from who they were and what they believed. It is the same people in power.

I repeat.....

Imagine if 0bama sold arms to Iran and used the money to fund a rebel army in South America. Would you say that was a bigger deal than ATF allowing lots of guns to hit the streets?

48 posted on 06/16/2011 3:03:50 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Venturer

“We need a new “honest” ‘truthful’ Non-Muslim Presid

Glad we have some brave guys in Congress like Issa and King who are doing investigations into the treachery of our enemies.


49 posted on 06/16/2011 3:05:25 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: llandres

I only hope they carry it through to it’s inevitable conclusion.

Obama is right in the middle of this mess.


50 posted on 06/16/2011 3:19:09 PM PDT by Venturer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-63 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson