Skip to comments.Gun ownership, carrying a gun linked to heavy alcohol use
Posted on 06/20/2011 9:11:22 AM PDT by drypowder
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“The UC Davis study”
Says it all - I need to read no further.
Sometimes the smell of BS just reeks from the page!
This is what Liberals mean when they use the word "science."
But I bet they'd never draw a connection with gay behavior and AIDS.
This comes as a surprise to this teetotaler.........../s
How much tax money was wasted on this preconceived conclusion?
Let's not let the facts or lack of them get in the way of a narrative. This is the biggest bunch of BS ever. Last I saw, having half a White Wine spritzer an hour put you in the heavy drinking classification. Go screw you Commie Pinko academic.
Since when is owning a gun, or having a CCW license "risky behavior?"
“The data are 15 years old, but no more recent data are available.”
The KEY to the truth of the story.
I bet if you posited that analogy Mr. Wintemute would choke on his latte...
So what? I bet there is less HIV, homosexuality, illicit drug use, etc. & etc. Could go on all day. Less socialist dependency, and much, much more. Of course the “researchers” aren’t interested in these things...
“Its not surprising that risky behaviors go together, said Garen J. Wintemute...”
Wait - concealed carry is a “risky behavior?”
(Only in the mind of a libtard.)
Is that Qusay?
Huge BS alert
I'll take a guess that "Garen" got his butt kicked a lot as a kid.
Wonder how many of CA's tax dollars funded this nonsense? And continue to pay this clown's salary?
15 years ago, how many States had legal concealed carry?
The “study” doesn’t differentiate between those who illegally concealed carry and those who do so legally.
Those who engage in criminal behavior are more likely to drink? Wow, who knew?
And the three most avid gun owners I know are also teetotalers, two of whom have NEVER touched a drop.
I used to drink, many moons ago, but never owned a gun during those “crazy” years. Now that I rarely drink (I abuse beer — a six-pack can sit in my fridge for a month or more), I own several.
I’m guessing none of us were included in this study...
I wonder if the “gun owners” were asked if they had ever been arrested for criminal behavior? ACTUAL criminal behavior, that is, not the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms....which UC Davis considers criminal. It might actually mean that criminals who have guns are more likely to drink. Or criminals who drink are more likely to engage in gun crimes. And naturally that would REEEEELY be shocking!!!
Its not surprising that risky behaviors go together, said Garen J. Wintemute, author of the study and director of the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program.
What an idiotic statement - assuming that carry a concealed weapon is a “risky behavior”. I pull reserve duty in the NCR and NOT being able to carry my weapon is “risky behavior”.
On January 1, 1996, the Texas Concealed Handgun Law went into effect. This law states that the Texas Department of Public Safety (TXDPS) "shall issue" a concealed handgun license (CHL) to any Texas resident who meets the application requirements for character (background check) and training. This is an analysis of arrest data for Texas concealed handgun licensees that was performed on data from the subsequent years of 1996 - 2000. A comparison was made with the arrest data for the entire Texas population for the same time period, showing that, on average: male Texans who are over 21 years old and are not CHL holders are 7.7 times more likely to be arrested for commission of a violent crime than male Texans with a CHL; and female Texans who are over 21 years old and are not CHL holders are 7.5 times more likely to be arrested for commission of a violent crime than female Texans with a CHL. Of the violent crime cases that have been adjudicated, approximately 26% of CHL holders who were arrested were convicted, and 44% are cleared of the violent crimes for which they were arrested.
The chart below illustrates the arrest rate comparison for each of the years 1996 2000.
The purpose of this analysis is to attempt to quantify the negative effect, if any, of Texas Concealed Handgun License holders on crime and crime rates through a comparison of arrests rates with the Texas population as a whole. The scope of this analysis is the five-year period from the law's enactment in January of 1996, through December of 2000. For the proper perspective, the analysis of the DPS arrest data for CHL holders is juxtaposed against the arrest data for the state's entire population.
Unfortunately, this analysis cannot attempt to quantify the positive effect, if any, of the Texas Concealed Handgun Law, as there is no data available regarding the number of crimes prevented or the number of lives saved when a concealed handgun is used in self-defense.
With the information available, a juxtaposition of the arrest rates for Texas CHL holders and the general public is the best, though imperfect, method of determining any negative effect (an increase in violent crime) of the Texas Concealed Handgun Law on Texas society. If allowing normally law abiding and peaceful citizens to carry a weapon concealed on their person were to somehow convert them into violent predators, it would be expected that CHL holders would have a higher crime rate than unlicensed Texans. The comparison of arrest rates suggests just the opposite Texans licensed to carry a gun are much less violent than Texans who are not.
Since the age/sex demographics of the CHL group is so significantly different from that of the total Texas population, (Notes 1, 2), the comparison of the two groups was made between males age 21 years, CHL v. non-CHL; and females age 21 years, CHL v. non-CHL.
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The average male Texan who is 21 years or older is 7.7 times more likely to be arrested for the violent crimes of murder, rape, robbery, and assault than the average male CHL holder.
Looking at violent crimes individually, the average male Texan who is 21 years or older is 1.7 times (rate of 7.4 v. 4.3) more likely to be arrested for murder; 87 times (rate of 24 v. 0.3) more likely to be arrested for rape; 53 times (rate of 44 v. 0.8) more likely to be arrested for robbery; 3.4 times (rate of 202 v. 60) more likely to be arrested for aggravated assault; and 10 times (rate of 892 v. 87) more likely to be arrested for other assaults than the average male CHL holder.
No male Texas CHL holder was arrested for negligent manslaughter during the 1996 through 2000 period.
Females:Top of Page
The average female Texan who is 21 years or older is 7.5 times more likely to be arrested for the violent crimes of murder and assault than the average female CHL holder.
Looking at violent crimes individually, the average female Texan who is 21 years or older is 2.0 times (rate of 1.2 v. 0.6) more likely to be arrested for murder; 2.5 times (rate of 48 v. 19) more likely to be arrested for aggravated assault; and 17 times (rate of 178 v. 11) more likely to be arrested for other assaults than the average female CHL holder.
No female Texas CHL holder has arrested for negligent manslaughter, rape, or robbery during the 1996 through 2000 period.
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William E. Sturdevant, PE
Copyright © 1999, 2000, 2001,
Of course we are supposed to believe these CRACK smokers!
"Only eight states chose to ask questions about both firearms and alcohol."
Whenever I come across a survey that gets into the "none of your business" zones, I tend to get creative
Any of you?
Sigh - It is Bravo Sierra time again, at another Kalifornia ‘institute of the academented’.
Let’s look at this whopper: “gun-related behaviors that carry a risk of violence, which also included having a loaded, unlocked firearm in the home and driving or riding in a vehicle with a loaded firearm.”
According to the sentence, the “study” assumed that driving in a vehicle with a loaded firearm is carries a significant “risk of violence”. The Academented seem unaware that an unloaded gun is an expensive and unwieldy ‘blunt force weapon’, better known as a ‘club’.
Clubs are notably useless in a vehicle when attacked by a criminal with a gun who is outside the victim’s car.
Given the prevalence of armed, two legged predators, a case can be made that leaving home without a loaded gun is an invitation to Murphy. And, never forget Murphy knows what you did with his youngest daughter that night!
“It is the right and duty of the citizen to be at all times armed...”. Good enough for the Founders is good enough for present day Americans.
hmm I must be an outlier...
120+ Rifles (milsurp)
20+ hand guns (milsurp_
only drinking alcohol I partake in is NyQuil when sick...
Paying idiots like Garen J. Wintemute is why California is broke.
Hey UC Davis!, I have a great idea for your next project! - How much violence & crime is committed by illegal aliens! follow up - how much & crime could be prevented with systematic deportations and a protected border.
I'll even volunteer to write out the grant applications
Wierd that I almost never drink.
The places my brother has to go it would be “risky behavior” to be unarmed!
What next? Good grief.
Total BS. I carry daily. I don’t drink.
however, I conducted a study that shows all liberals are mentally deficient and cannot be trusted with reality.
Well, this certainly explains why Coos County, Oregon leads the nation in gun related homocides.
The UC Davis study Says it all - I need to read no further. Sometimes the smell of BS just reeks from the page!Kind of like a story on "global warming" that begins with:
A new IPCC study reveals...
...and there’s a high correlation between liberalism and illicit drug use. Let’s ban liberals.
This “study” (so-called) is an unusually large pile of crap, even by Academic Gun-Grabbing Peace-Creep standards. The use of outdated and cherry-picked statistics, combined with an intentional conflation of inherently risky behaviors (e.g. - drunk driving) and demonstrably safe behavior (legal concealed carry) would be bad enough, but the unchecked assumption of causality behind it renders it all a great big steaming load.
15 years ago, how many States had legal concealed carry? The study doesnt differentiate between those who illegally concealed carry and those who do so legally. Those who engage in criminal behavior are more likely to drink? Wow, who knew?Excellent points.
Also, aren't there boatloads of studies that show that where there is legal concealed carry there are WAY FEWER carjackings?
Well, y'all be careful about which one you pull out and stick into your mouth then, y'heah?
that’s funny...most RATIONAL people would clearly conclude NOT carrying is probably riskier..but who knew? Then again I’m not a perfesser....
So from now on, I simply say "molon labe". Come get 'em, bitches. If you want mine, you'd damned sure better bring yours...and pack a lunch, too.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Nice. I'll be over this weekend. Looks like my type of place. Only thing missing is the "shooting car" out back.
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