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Gun ownership, carrying a gun linked to heavy alcohol use
UC Davis Health Systems ^ | 6/14/2011 | UC Davis Health Systems

Posted on 06/20/2011 9:11:22 AM PDT by drypowder

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1 posted on 06/20/2011 9:11:23 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: drypowder

“The UC Davis study”

Says it all - I need to read no further.

Sometimes the smell of BS just reeks from the page!


2 posted on 06/20/2011 9:12:45 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: drypowder
Sounds like they started with a premise they wanted to prove and culled the data to prove it.

This is what Liberals mean when they use the word "science."

3 posted on 06/20/2011 9:13:09 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: drypowder
“It’s not surprising that risky behaviors go together,” said Garen J. Wintemute, author of the study and director of the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program.

But I bet they'd never draw a connection with gay behavior and AIDS.

4 posted on 06/20/2011 9:16:15 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: drypowder

This comes as a surprise to this teetotaler.........../s


5 posted on 06/20/2011 9:17:26 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Financial Repression.......it answers a lot of questions.....read about it on FinancialSense.com.)
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To: drypowder

How much tax money was wasted on this preconceived conclusion?


6 posted on 06/20/2011 9:17:48 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: drypowder; All
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7 posted on 06/20/2011 9:18:04 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: drypowder

http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/20724672/Gun_shows_and_gun_violence_fatally_flawed_study_yields_misleading_results


8 posted on 06/20/2011 9:18:39 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: drypowder
The data are 15 years old, but no more recent data are available. Only eight states chose to ask questions about both firearms and alcohol. Despite these limitations, Wintemute said, the study’s results provide important evidence about gun ownership and the potential for gun use to be closely associated with the misuse and abuse of alcohol.

Let's not let the facts or lack of them get in the way of a narrative. This is the biggest bunch of BS ever. Last I saw, having half a White Wine spritzer an hour put you in the heavy drinking classification. Go screw you Commie Pinko academic.


9 posted on 06/20/2011 9:19:08 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: drypowder
“It’s not surprising that risky behaviors go together,”

Since when is owning a gun, or having a CCW license "risky behavior?"

10 posted on 06/20/2011 9:19:33 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: drypowder

“The data are 15 years old, but no more recent data are available.”

The KEY to the truth of the story.


11 posted on 06/20/2011 9:19:49 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
But I bet they'd never draw a connection with gay behavior and AIDS.

I bet if you posited that analogy Mr. Wintemute would choke on his latte...

12 posted on 06/20/2011 9:20:38 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: drypowder

So what? I bet there is less HIV, homosexuality, illicit drug use, etc. & etc. Could go on all day. Less socialist dependency, and much, much more. Of course the “researchers” aren’t interested in these things...


13 posted on 06/20/2011 9:21:05 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

“It’s not surprising that risky behaviors go together,” said Garen J. Wintemute...”

Wait - concealed carry is a “risky behavior?”

Who knew?

(Only in the mind of a libtard.)


14 posted on 06/20/2011 9:21:34 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Lazlo in PA

Is that Qusay?


15 posted on 06/20/2011 9:22:09 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: drypowder

Huge BS alert


16 posted on 06/20/2011 9:22:32 AM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: drypowder
It’s not surprising that risky behaviors go together,” said Garen J. Wintemute, author of the study and director of the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program

I'll take a guess that "Garen" got his butt kicked a lot as a kid.

Wonder how many of CA's tax dollars funded this nonsense? And continue to pay this clown's salary?

17 posted on 06/20/2011 9:22:48 AM PDT by wbill
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To: drypowder

15 years ago, how many States had legal concealed carry?

The “study” doesn’t differentiate between those who illegally concealed carry and those who do so legally.

Those who engage in criminal behavior are more likely to drink? Wow, who knew?


18 posted on 06/20/2011 9:23:32 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: OB1kNOb

And the three most avid gun owners I know are also teetotalers, two of whom have NEVER touched a drop.

I used to drink, many moons ago, but never owned a gun during those “crazy” years. Now that I rarely drink (I abuse beer — a six-pack can sit in my fridge for a month or more), I own several.

I’m guessing none of us were included in this study...


19 posted on 06/20/2011 9:23:51 AM PDT by AnglePark
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To: drypowder

I wonder if the “gun owners” were asked if they had ever been arrested for criminal behavior? ACTUAL criminal behavior, that is, not the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms....which UC Davis considers criminal. It might actually mean that criminals who have guns are more likely to drink. Or criminals who drink are more likely to engage in gun crimes. And naturally that would REEEEELY be shocking!!!


20 posted on 06/20/2011 9:24:05 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: drypowder

“It’s not surprising that risky behaviors go together,” said Garen J. Wintemute, author of the study and director of the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program.

What an idiotic statement - assuming that carry a concealed weapon is a “risky behavior”. I pull reserve duty in the NCR and NOT being able to carry my weapon is “risky behavior”.

Colonel, USAFR


21 posted on 06/20/2011 9:24:05 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: drypowder
An Analysis Of The Arrest Rate Of
Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders
As Compared To The Arrest Rate Of
The Entire Texas Population
1996 - 1998, Revised to include 1999 and 2000 data

by William E. Sturdevant, PE,
August 24, 2001

The original study as posted in 2000.
|Chart| |Males| |Females| |Notes|

Arrest Rate Comparison Chart

On January 1, 1996, the Texas Concealed Handgun Law went into effect. This law states that the Texas Department of Public Safety (TXDPS) "shall issue" a concealed handgun license (CHL) to any Texas resident who meets the application requirements for character (background check) and training. This is an analysis of arrest data for Texas concealed handgun licensees that was performed on data from the subsequent years of 1996 - 2000. A comparison was made with the arrest data for the entire Texas population for the same time period, showing that, on average: male Texans who are over 21 years old and are not CHL holders are 7.7 times more likely to be arrested for commission of a violent crime than male Texans with a CHL; and female Texans who are over 21 years old and are not CHL holders are 7.5 times more likely to be arrested for commission of a violent crime than female Texans with a CHL. Of the violent crime cases that have been adjudicated, approximately 26% of CHL holders who were arrested were convicted, and 44% are cleared of the violent crimes for which they were arrested.

The chart below illustrates the arrest rate comparison for each of the years 1996 – 2000.

The purpose of this analysis is to attempt to quantify the negative effect, if any, of Texas Concealed Handgun License holders on crime and crime rates through a comparison of arrests rates with the Texas population as a whole. The scope of this analysis is the five-year period from the law's enactment in January of 1996, through December of 2000. For the proper perspective, the analysis of the DPS arrest data for CHL holders is juxtaposed against the arrest data for the state's entire population.

Unfortunately, this analysis cannot attempt to quantify the positive effect, if any, of the Texas Concealed Handgun Law, as there is no data available regarding the number of crimes prevented or the number of lives saved when a concealed handgun is used in self-defense.

With the information available, a juxtaposition of the arrest rates for Texas CHL holders and the general public is the best, though imperfect, method of determining any negative effect (an increase in violent crime) of the Texas Concealed Handgun Law on Texas society. If allowing normally law abiding and peaceful citizens to carry a weapon concealed on their person were to somehow convert them into violent predators, it would be expected that CHL holders would have a higher crime rate than unlicensed Texans. The comparison of arrest rates suggests just the opposite – Texans licensed to carry a gun are much less violent than Texans who are not.

Since the age/sex demographics of the CHL group is so significantly different from that of the total Texas population, (Notes 1, 2), the comparison of the two groups was made between males age 21 years, CHL v. non-CHL; and females age 21 years, CHL v. non-CHL.

Males:

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The average male Texan who is 21 years or older is 7.7 times more likely to be arrested for the violent crimes of murder, rape, robbery, and assault than the average male CHL holder.

Looking at violent crimes individually, the average male Texan who is 21 years or older is 1.7 times (rate of 7.4 v. 4.3) more likely to be arrested for murder; 87 times (rate of 24 v. 0.3) more likely to be arrested for rape; 53 times (rate of 44 v. 0.8) more likely to be arrested for robbery; 3.4 times (rate of 202 v. 60) more likely to be arrested for aggravated assault; and 10 times (rate of 892 v. 87) more likely to be arrested for other assaults than the average male CHL holder.

No male Texas CHL holder was arrested for negligent manslaughter during the 1996 through 2000 period.

The average male Texan who is 21 years or older is 18 times more likely to be arrested for committing a non-violent crime than the average male CHL holder.

Females:

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The average female Texan who is 21 years or older is 7.5 times more likely to be arrested for the violent crimes of murder and assault than the average female CHL holder.

Looking at violent crimes individually, the average female Texan who is 21 years or older is 2.0 times (rate of 1.2 v. 0.6) more likely to be arrested for murder; 2.5 times (rate of 48 v. 19) more likely to be arrested for aggravated assault; and 17 times (rate of 178 v. 11) more likely to be arrested for other assaults than the average female CHL holder.

No female Texas CHL holder has arrested for negligent manslaughter, rape, or robbery during the 1996 through 2000 period.

The average female Texan who is 21 years or older is 13 times more likely to be arrested for committing a non-violent crime than the average female CHL holder.

Notes:

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  1. CHL holders are required by law to be at least 21 years old.
  2. CHL holders are approximately 80% male. Men have an arrest rate for violent crime that is approximately 5 times higher than that of women.

W. E. (Bill) Sturdevant, PE
Navasota, Texas
August 24, 2001 Download the original study, Sturdevant.pdf. This download requires Adobe Acrobat Reader, available free.

 

 

 

William E. Sturdevant, PE
Email him at mideng@txcyber.com.

Copyright © 1999, 2000, 2001,
William E. Sturdevant, PE.
Posted with permission.

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© 2007; Texas Concealed Handgun Association. Contact TCHA.Page updated 10/12/2008
22 posted on 06/20/2011 9:24:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: drypowder

Of course we are supposed to believe these CRACK smokers!


23 posted on 06/20/2011 9:26:03 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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"Binge drinking, chronic heavy alcohol use, and drinking and driving were all more common among gun owners generally than among non-owners, even after adjusting for factors such as age, sex, race, and state of residence."

Snip-

"Only eight states chose to ask questions about both firearms and alcohol."

24 posted on 06/20/2011 9:26:13 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama for among other things , violating the War Powers Act.)
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To: bolobaby
It's risky to the study author's (democrat) constituency.
25 posted on 06/20/2011 9:28:10 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Lazlo in PA
I am curious as to how many of the folks surveyed were pulling someones leg?

Whenever I come across a survey that gets into the "none of your business" zones, I tend to get creative

26 posted on 06/20/2011 9:29:44 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: drypowder
I cannot recall a single incident of a permit holder being arrested for ANY CRIME while carrying.

Any of you?

27 posted on 06/20/2011 9:29:44 AM PDT by ryan71 (Dear spell check - No, I will not capitalize the "m" in moslem!)
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Sigh - It is Bravo Sierra time again, at another Kalifornia ‘institute of the academented’.

Let’s look at this whopper: “gun-related behaviors that carry a risk of violence, which also included having a loaded, unlocked firearm in the home and driving or riding in a vehicle with a loaded firearm.”

According to the sentence, the “study” assumed that driving in a vehicle with a loaded firearm is carries a significant “risk of violence”. The Academented seem unaware that an unloaded gun is an expensive and unwieldy ‘blunt force weapon’, better known as a ‘club’.

Clubs are notably useless in a vehicle when attacked by a criminal with a gun who is outside the victim’s car.

Given the prevalence of armed, two legged predators, a case can be made that leaving home without a loaded gun is an invitation to Murphy. And, never forget Murphy knows what you did with his youngest daughter that night!

“It is the right and duty of the citizen to be at all times armed...”. Good enough for the Founders is good enough for present day Americans.


28 posted on 06/20/2011 9:31:59 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

hmm I must be an outlier...

120+ Rifles (milsurp)

20+ hand guns (milsurp_

only drinking alcohol I partake in is NyQuil when sick...


29 posted on 06/20/2011 9:32:31 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: drypowder
Obviously, the small subset of gun owners that are criminals had been over sampled and are skewing the results.
30 posted on 06/20/2011 9:32:45 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: wbill

Paying idiots like Garen J. Wintemute is why California is broke.


31 posted on 06/20/2011 9:35:30 AM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: drypowder
The UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program is an organized research program that addresses the causes, nature and prevention of violence. Its mission is to conduct research to further America’s efforts to understand and prevent violence.

Hey UC Davis!, I have a great idea for your next project! - How much violence & crime is committed by illegal aliens! follow up - how much & crime could be prevented with systematic deportations and a protected border.

I'll even volunteer to write out the grant applications

32 posted on 06/20/2011 9:35:36 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: drypowder; I cannot think of a name
The UC Davis studyI could get a UC Davis study to prove the moon is made of green cheese, just endow a cheese flavored with marijuana ag wing.
33 posted on 06/20/2011 9:36:50 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: drypowder
I should be a permananent fixture at the local 12-step program, then.

Wierd that I almost never drink.

34 posted on 06/20/2011 9:37:08 AM PDT by jboot
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To: drypowder
The author calls carrying concealed a “risky behavior”?

The places my brother has to go it would be “risky behavior” to be unarmed!

35 posted on 06/20/2011 9:38:13 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: drypowder
Have these clowns been peeking into my house again?!


36 posted on 06/20/2011 9:38:37 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: drypowder

What next? Good grief.


37 posted on 06/20/2011 9:41:41 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: drypowder

Total BS. I carry daily. I don’t drink.

however, I conducted a study that shows all liberals are mentally deficient and cannot be trusted with reality.


38 posted on 06/20/2011 9:42:12 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: drypowder

Well, this certainly explains why Coos County, Oregon leads the nation in gun related homocides.


40 posted on 06/20/2011 9:43:56 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: I cannot think of a name
“The UC Davis study” Says it all - I need to read no further. Sometimes the smell of BS just reeks from the page!
Kind of like a story on "global warming" that begins with:

A new IPCC study reveals...

41 posted on 06/20/2011 9:44:22 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Fiddlstix

LOL!


42 posted on 06/20/2011 9:45:05 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: drypowder

...and there’s a high correlation between liberalism and illicit drug use. Let’s ban liberals.


43 posted on 06/20/2011 9:45:18 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: Lazlo in PA

This “study” (so-called) is an unusually large pile of crap, even by Academic Gun-Grabbing Peace-Creep standards. The use of outdated and cherry-picked statistics, combined with an intentional conflation of inherently risky behaviors (e.g. - drunk driving) and demonstrably safe behavior (legal concealed carry) would be bad enough, but the unchecked assumption of causality behind it renders it all a great big steaming load.


44 posted on 06/20/2011 9:45:47 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: allmendream
15 years ago, how many States had legal concealed carry? The “study” doesn’t differentiate between those who illegally concealed carry and those who do so legally. Those who engage in criminal behavior are more likely to drink? Wow, who knew?
Excellent points.

Also, aren't there boatloads of studies that show that where there is legal concealed carry there are WAY FEWER carjackings?

45 posted on 06/20/2011 9:48:44 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: drypowder
Yeah’ I always carry conceal my weapon next to my flask of Black Jack on my hip / S
46 posted on 06/20/2011 9:50:09 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Popman
"Yeah’ I always carry conceal my weapon next to my flask of Black Jack on my hip .."

Well, y'all be careful about which one you pull out and stick into your mouth then, y'heah?

47 posted on 06/20/2011 9:51:55 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Square Dancing - Drill and Ceremony Set To Music)
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To: drypowder

that’s funny...most RATIONAL people would clearly conclude NOT carrying is probably riskier..but who knew? Then again I’m not a perfesser....


48 posted on 06/20/2011 9:52:06 AM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: drypowder
I think we've reached a point where we're not going to sway any more anti-gunners with our logic, common sense and Constitutional rightness on the the RKBA debate. I've grown tired trying to convince wrong-headed Leftists that they're wrong, and that I have every right to keep whatever arms I so choose and bear those arms wherever I so desire.

So from now on, I simply say "molon labe". Come get 'em, bitches. If you want mine, you'd damned sure better bring yours...and pack a lunch, too.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

49 posted on 06/20/2011 9:55:09 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Have these clowns been peeking into my house again?!

Nice. I'll be over this weekend. Looks like my type of place. Only thing missing is the "shooting car" out back.


50 posted on 06/20/2011 10:00:13 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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