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Gun ownership, carrying a gun linked to heavy alcohol use
UC Davis Health Systems ^ | 6/14/2011 | UC Davis Health Systems

Posted on 06/20/2011 9:11:22 AM PDT by drypowder

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To: drypowder

“about 25 percent of gunshot-wound victims treated at UC Davis Medical Center tested positive for alcohol.”

So you are much more likely to be shot if you’re sober. Good to know.(snicker)


51 posted on 06/20/2011 10:04:38 AM PDT by Gumption
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To: jagusafr

“What an idiotic statement - assuming that carry a concealed weapon is a “risky behavior”.”

Hopefully, the author was referencing this study finding:
“But alcohol abuse was most common among firearm owners who participated in gun-related behaviors that carry a risk of violence, which also included having a loaded, unlocked firearm in the home and driving or riding in a vehicle with a loaded firearm.”

Let’s concede that alcohol abuse impairs judgment (witness: drinking and driving deaths). This study is the equivalent of finding that drivers who drink alcohol are more likely to be involved in automobile accidents. Given the disproportionate share of carnage caused by drunk drivers, this wouldn’t be at all surprising. But the solution to this problem isn’t to ban either alcohol use or cars: it is to impose heavy penalties on those who drive their cars recklessly—a standard that inevitably will snare more drunk drivers than average drivers.

Likewise with guns. No one can defend the carnage caused by guns. And to the degree it arises from irresponsible behavior, it should be punished just as severely as drunk driving deaths. But the solution isn’t to inhibit the freedom of everyone else to drink or own guns.

If this solution is acceptable for cars (drunk driving causes 10,8000 deaths a year
http://www.cdc.gov/MotorVehicleSafety/Impaired_Driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html while gun-related homicides and accidents account for about 13,500 http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html), there’s no reason (except for ideological bias) it can’t work for guns.


52 posted on 06/20/2011 10:09:34 AM PDT by DrC
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To: drypowder

Garen Wintemute is an anti-gun activist of the first order and anything he has to say needs to be vetted thoroughly. If that pony-tailed freak said that water was wet I’d be sure to verify the fact.


53 posted on 06/20/2011 10:13:25 AM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: drypowder

Is this like the study that once proved that marijuana use made White women want to have sex with Black Jazz musicians?


54 posted on 06/20/2011 10:15:49 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: drypowder
Gun ownership, carrying a gun linked to heavy alcohol use

The way gun owners and dealers get treated by the statist JBT's, can you blame them? Rein in the ATF, and the problem would be solved. Refreshing honesty from a lying liberal university, as much as admitting the policies are the cause of the problem.

55 posted on 06/20/2011 10:20:45 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Yo-Yo
Since when is owning a gun, or having a CCW license "risky behavior?"

When you're a liberal. If you're a liberal and own a gun, it's risky because you're an idiot and will probably shoot your wife or dog. If you're a liberal and OTHER people own guns, it's risky cause you might end up watering the tree of liberty.

56 posted on 06/20/2011 10:23:31 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Well Malone, you just boiled down the alcohol/gun link to the love of fine, polished wood. Are you up for a grant?


57 posted on 06/20/2011 10:24:24 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: Popman
Yeah’ I always carry conceal my weapon next to my flask of Black Jack on my hip

Tip: Before sticking either in your mouth, double check to make sure you grabbed the right one!

58 posted on 06/20/2011 10:29:35 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: humblegunner; Eaker; TheMom; thackney; NYTexan; mylife

Wow, what a complete load of cr@p ping.


59 posted on 06/20/2011 10:31:27 AM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: drypowder

This study must be true. Shortly after I gave up alcohol, I lost all my guns in the lake.


60 posted on 06/20/2011 10:31:29 AM PDT by Nachoman (Wisdom is learned, cynicism is earned.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’ll bet they could draw a corelation between gun owners and racism, too, because all this time I’ve been blaming America’s gun violence on inner city yoots.


61 posted on 06/20/2011 10:35:18 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Nor single motherhood with poverty.

Nor Socialist educations with low SAT scores.

Nor open borders with gang activity.

But the geniuses at UC Davis, with my tax money, do studies to tell ME that gun owners are more apt to be heavy drinkers?

Liberalism is a waste of money and a failure of the mind to mature.


62 posted on 06/20/2011 10:36:43 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: COBOL2Java

Or that tenured taxpayer-funded professors at public universities should have a 5% 401K match vs. lifetime pensions and bennies...that would make him drop his copy of Das Kapital.


63 posted on 06/20/2011 10:38:28 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: samtheman

15 years ago Ohio (one of the states in the study) DID NOT have concealed carry — so anyone (besides law enforcement) who transported a loaded gun in an automobile, for example, was doing so illegally. This only shows that people who break one law (e.g., driving while intoxicated) are more likely to break another, and has nothing to do with legal concealed carry.

Zeko


64 posted on 06/20/2011 10:40:36 AM PDT by Zeko
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To: drypowder
What a crock. I have carried for more than 20 years in the civilian world and at times I have a drink or two. When I do I do not drive or carry a firearm. He indicates a belief that people who carry have no common since or self discipline. What a moron and a LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!
Before my civilian permit I carried a fully automatic weapon for Uncle Sam for 20+ years. There were more than a few drunken parties attended by most of our units personnel and no one ever shot anyone they weren't supposed to..
So you can see that reality shows very clearly that this moron is nothing more that a statistic manipulating liar. I know dozens of people who carry by permit and not one of them have ever been under the influence of alcohol when they have drawn a firearm. This kind of BS needs to be exposed and the authors displayed for the liars that they are.
65 posted on 06/20/2011 10:41:33 AM PDT by oldenuff2no (Rangers lead the way...... Delta, the original European home land security)
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To: Bidimus1

You have an ‘aresenal’. And not the kind typical media stories have- a .22 and box of ammo.

Stay bitter and clingy , FRiend!


66 posted on 06/20/2011 10:47:36 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: wac3rd

Garen J. Wintemute, M.D.
Clinical/Research Interests
Garen J. Wintemute is a national expert on gun violence and public attitudes about guns. He has served as a consultant for the National Institute of Justice; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; World Health Organization; Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; and American Red Cross. Wintemute has conducted and published findings from numerous studies regarding gun accessibility, connections between gun ownership and violence, and other related subjects. His research focuses on the nature of violence and development of effective violence prevention measures.
Title: Professor
Director of the Violence Prevention Research Program
Attending Physician-Emergency Department
Specialty: Emergency Medicine
Address: UC Davis Medical Center
2315 Stockton Blvd.
Sacramento, CA 95817

Phone: (916) 734-5010

Education: UC Davis School of Medicine
Sacramento, California
M.D. 1977

Yale University
New Haven, Connecticut
B.S. 1973

Board Certifications: American Board of Family Medicine, 1980

Select Recent Publications: Wintemute GJ, Cook PJ, Wright MA. Risk factors among handgun retailers for frequent and disproportionate sales of guns used in violent and firearm-related crimes. Injury Prevention, 11:357-363.

Wintemute GJ, Romero MP, Wright MA, Grassel KM. The life cycle of crime guns: A description based on guns recovered from young people in California. Annals of Emergency Medicine, 43:733-742.

Romero MP, Wintemute GJ, Wright MA, Parham CA. Shall issue policy and criminal activity among applicants for permits to carry concealed firearms. Injury Prevention, 9:367-9.

Wintemute GJ, Wright MA, Drake CM, Beaumont JJ. Subsequent criminal activity among violent misdemeanants who seek to purchase handguns: Risk factors and effectiveness of denying handgun purchase. Journal of the American Medical Association, 285:1019-1026.

Wintemute GJ, Parham CA, Beaumont JJ, Wright MA, Drake C. Mortality among recent purchasers of handguns. New England Journal of Medicine, 341:1583-1589.


67 posted on 06/20/2011 10:48:43 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: BCR #226
"however, I conducted a study that shows all liberals are mentally deficient and cannot be trusted with reality."

Or with a gun for that matter, or sending those with guns into battle

68 posted on 06/20/2011 11:03:53 AM PDT by Clay+Iron_Times (Time to make a stand, Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Zeko

It’s like I said earlier in this thread. This is a “study” of concealed weapon carry in the same way that scientists on-the-take from the IPCC “study global warming”.


69 posted on 06/20/2011 11:06:26 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: drypowder

Davis, Ca is Berkely, Ca writ small......

When Tom MacClintock held his town hall meeting prior to Obamacare, the meeting was attended by about 200 people sporting “Progressive Democrats of America” tee shirts. They had piled out of cars sporting Davis School District parking passes. ( Davis is NOT in Tom’s congressional district nor anywhere close to it)

When questioned about their organization I commented to a couple of “ladies” that any organization having “progressive” in it’s title was sure to be communist in it’s orientation. I was promtly assualted with fists/elbows.

People in Davis are rabidly extreme leftists......all of them!

Not surprized that they are against anyone excersizing their constitutional rights, and that they try to demoguoge
any that do.


70 posted on 06/20/2011 11:08:07 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (Palin/West 2012)
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To: COBOL2Java

71 posted on 06/20/2011 11:19:50 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: drypowder

Rooster Cogburn would give that princess a heart attack!


72 posted on 06/20/2011 11:24:41 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: drypowder

Bull cookies.


73 posted on 06/20/2011 11:27:52 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: drypowder

Wonder what that means about this gun-totting Texan who’s never drunk a drop of alcohol in his lifetime?


74 posted on 06/20/2011 11:59:07 AM PDT by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: wku man
So from now on, I simply say "molon labe". Come get 'em, bitches. If you want mine, you'd damned sure better bring yours...and pack a lunch, too.

Might I suggest you suggest to them that they bring both a suitcase, and an ice chest, as it will take them far longer than they think...

the infowarrior

75 posted on 06/20/2011 12:01:01 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Nope a collection.. if I get something that is crew served or or indirect fire maybe then its an arsenal


76 posted on 06/20/2011 12:05:27 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: I cannot think of a name

I don’t know of any conservatives who have that tendency. Those who own weapons generally drink less than those who don’t and when they practice with their weapons, nearly always follow an adamant rule that “powder and alcohol don’t mix”.

Liberals I’ve known, on the other hand, who own firearms, think nothing wrong with drinking and carrying a weapon around.


77 posted on 06/20/2011 12:07:35 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: drypowder

This must be true. I engaged in the risky behavior of transporting my guns, and a case of beer, across a lake one day. Before reaching the other side, the boat somehow capsized, spilling it’s contents.

Well, I did manage to save the remaining beer. Sadly, all the guns were lost.


78 posted on 06/20/2011 12:18:57 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: drypowder

“Gun owners who carry concealed weapons or have confronted another person with a gun are more than twice as likely to drink heavily as people who do not own guns”

Odd bedmates don’t you think:a category including CCW and drunks who confront others with a gun.

It’s obvious that those who’ve confronted others with a gun are more likely to be heavy drinkers. Drunks do all kinds of dangerous things.

But why include CCW in that category? For one reason only: to tar their reputation with the statistical behavior of drunk gun-toters.

They’ve mixed a few apples with a bunch of eggs and then “proved” statistically how easily apples shatter when dropped.

I could do a study with nuns and male homosexuals in the same group and “prove” how nuns are much more likely to contract AIDS than the general population.


79 posted on 06/20/2011 12:22:32 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff!)
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To: wac3rd

This is apparently a bad physician, who turned his anti-gun hobby into a full time position doing dildo research. Those people he might have been attending as a physician, can feel very fortunate. There is absolutely no evidence to indicate this individual has a lick of sense.

I’m not sure how long the comments would be if we started an analyses of those who were responsible through the years since his graduation for hiring him to work. i would guess “work” had nothing to do with producing anything that had a profit margin.


80 posted on 06/20/2011 12:39:25 PM PDT by wita
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To: drypowder

This is total BS. Nothing but commie propaganda. Liberals are the largest known drinkers. Shooters I know rarely even drink.


81 posted on 06/20/2011 1:12:45 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: drypowder

Oh, it’s from UC Davis: babysitter of homosexual, commie/libertarian, neo-Nazi brats from that neighborhood full of aging politicians and other big shots near there.


82 posted on 06/20/2011 1:15:47 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burned in a day--twice.)
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To: drypowder
"...multi-state study shows certain gun owners more likely to drink excessively..."

"Certain" ones?

"Gun owners who carry concealed weapons or have confronted another person with a gun..."

People who are academics or sodomite convicts are linked to heavy drug abuse.


83 posted on 06/20/2011 1:38:49 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burned in a day--twice.)
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To: allmendream

Let’s see.
76 - GA
80 - IN
85 - ME, ND
86 - SD
87 - FL
89 - OR, PA, WV
90 - ID, MS
91 - MT
94 - AK, AZ, TN, WY
95 - AR, NC, OK, NV, UT, VA
96 - TX, KY, WV again, SC

Makes 25 of 50 states with either liberal gun freedoms, or liberal infringement through registration (take your pick), laws, allowing some citizens to legally carry a concealed weapon.
I have no idea about open legal carry up to that point.

But - did any of these eight states in the survey come from the pool? Were they randomly chosen?
How did they verify the veracity of the participants, or otherwise account for it?

Does the questionnaire ask whether carrying a gun is legally done (whether concealed or otherwise)?

Stoopid gets what stoopid deserves.


84 posted on 06/20/2011 2:10:45 PM PDT by Apogee
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To: Apogee

Eight states “chose” to ask questions about firearms.

Answered own question about randomness right there.

Now, next question - what kind of state chooses to ask its citizens who owns a firearm or not? Gun friendly, or not?
Do ya think?


85 posted on 06/20/2011 2:14:35 PM PDT by Apogee
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To: Malone LaVeigh

LOL — Thanks.


86 posted on 06/20/2011 2:17:01 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Nachoman
Shortly after I gave up alcohol, I lost all my guns in the lake.

I have not given up alcohol completely; I use beer as an after-exercise recovery drink (fluid, carbohydrate and pain killer). But I had the same kind of tragic boating accident.

8^(

87 posted on 06/20/2011 3:57:28 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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