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Dick Morris Pro-Bachmann Bias Shows Twice/Pollsters: “If We Don’t Poll her, She Doesn’t Exist”
The Poll Insider ^ | 6/21/2011 | Poll Insider

Posted on 06/21/2011 10:40:26 PM PDT by curth

Update: As I stated earlier today (below), the Zogby poll I saw yesterday that did not include Palin popped up today and showed, SHOCK, that Bachmann “surges” into the lead. As I also pointed, this poll is 100% unscientific as anyone can sign up to participate in the poll and is not a “random” sample. It’s about as valid as a Bill O’Reilly internet poll. Previous leaders have included Herman Cain and Chris Christie. Michele Bachmann had 24% (yeeeaaah) ahead of Romney and Cain’s 15%.

In what is starting to look like a trend, pollsters are now removing Sarah Palin as an option from GOP Primary Polling Data. It happened in last weeks Rasmussen Poll, and now in this weeks polling round-up with the “Morris Poll” and presumably also the upcoming Zogby poll (I have seen the Survey and the copy I saw did not include Palin). But what is odd is that Palin is removed from the polling after she starts seeing a heavy trend upwards and even led Romney in two recent polls by Reuters/Ipsos (Palin 22%- Romney 20%) and Economist/YouGov (Palin 20%- Romney 14%). So it’s actually odd that as she is trending upward, she is suddenly removed.

Typically, pollsters ask a number of scenarios containing a multitude of candidates (including only declared and then some speculative candidates). PPP is usually the best at this. We won’t knock Rasmussen because their poll did only include people who took part in Monday’s debate (and Jon Huntsman, who envisions himself as a dorkier, whiter, slightly more conservative version of Barack Obama).Though since that showed a runaway for Romney, it would be nice to see a secondary poll with other competitors as well.

Meanwhile Dick Morris, who regularly dismisses Palin and pushes Romney and Bachmann, released a poll that featured two sets of questions. One was a straight up poll of contestants already in, and one tested speculative candidates. The only speculative candidate Morris pushes here is Rick Perry, who gets 5% of the vote, while Bachmann comes in THIRD with 12% behind Romney’s 23% and Ron Paul’s 12.4%. (Showing his bias, Morris actually puts Bachmann second in the release, while his data shows that Paul had more votes. Where is the honesty here? ) Either way, Bachmann remained down by double digits.

But more interesting, is that Morris decided to focus on the poll that featured Perry taking a couple of points away from Romney, rather than the poll that only featured in candidates. This is in complete contrast to the last Morris poll on May 25th. Then, Morris also took two polls, one fielding only the current presidential field, and one featuring a speculative candidate: Sarah Palin. The poll featuring Palin, who was the only candidate to get within single digits of Romney in either of the questions, was secondary news. Instead, Morris blasted that Romney was way ahead of the field and focused on the results of the “Candidates who are in” poll, dismissing that Palin was closer than anyone else by a long shot. This time, he doesn’t even mention the “candidates who are in poll” and focuses solely on the poll with Rick Perry included. Well, here are the results of the non-Perry field: Romney: 26% Bachmann: 10% Paul: 6% Cain: 6% Gingrich: 4% Pawlenty: 4% Santorum: 2% Other/DontKnow: 41%

So, Morris did not get the results he wanted, showing a miraculous Bachmann surge so he ignored the results and focused on Rick Perry, who didn’t make a splash. I know he wanted to see a Bachmann surge, because he has been predicting as much regularly on Fox News. Just last week, Morris (while taking a shot at Palin) had this to say about Bachmann, who ha supposedly remained as only 1 of 2 options to challenge Romney down the stretch: “She has Palin’s zest and instinct for a killer zinger but Newt’s knowledge of substance. She combines a flair for the dramatic with some pretty sound political judgment.” Again, isn’t it insulting to continuously compare Bachmann to Palin because they are both women? And is Bachmann really known for zingers? Is “Barack Obama will be a one-term president” really a zinger?

But, alas, Bachmann remains down 16 points in the “candidates who are in” poll, despite her supposed surge, while 41% remain undecided. Unflippinbelievable! I wonder who at least some of those 41% might be interested in voting for!

Finally, the Zogby poll survey I saw, also asked multiple candidate scenarios but, for the first time, none of them included Sarah Palin. This doesn’t really matter, because the Zogby poll is not scientific, by any means. When activists can “volunteer” to be part of a polling sample, it’s not hard to skew the results. But to show the trend, Zogby did not include Palin, but include candidates that have completely ruled out a run like Chris Christie.

My theories:

1) The media is trying to find a frontrunner not named Sarah Palin to take on Romney. The media is always out for the flavor of the week, and Palin/Romney is just too boring for them. They will continue to float trial balloons until the inevitable happens.

2) The media really doesn’t think Palin is running. Okay fine, but why include candidates like Chris Christie and Rick Perry who have either said they are not running or have only tipped their toes into the water? Also, are they blind or just stupid? They really don’t even think there is a remote possibility she is running? Really? Only the media would swear that a guy who has emphatically stated he will not run for President dozens of times is running and someone who has said they are considering it and is touring the nation is not running. Not that I’ve ever accused the media of being too intelligent.

3) The media wants you to ignore Sarah Palin. If they don’t talk about her in polls, she doesn’t exist! Who knows, maybe they are sick of Palin. Oh yeah, that’s it. A media who obsessed over tracking down a non-candidate’s RV for a week and spent half their work force rummaging through her e-mails for dirt is “sick” of her. Unlikely.

One thing is certain: Morris should not be taken seriously by any media organization. It’s actually obscene that he is taken seriously at all as either a pollster or an analyst. The reality is that Morris is pushing two candidates, takes a couple of polls, and filters out whatever information he wants you to see. He deliberately placed Bachmann as second ahead of Ron Paul (who got more votes) so he could presumably go on Radio and TV and talk about how Bachmann “is in second place” to Mitt Romney, just like Rasmussen showed! Surge, surge, surge! So, not only does Morris lift Bachmann ahead of someone with more votes (Paul) but he also chooses the poll where she is down “only” 11% instead of 16%. Or, maybe it’s a coincidence.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Reference
KEYWORDS: 2012; ineluctable; palin; president
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1 posted on 06/21/2011 10:40:31 PM PDT by curth
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To: curth

In before the poll huggers show up.


2 posted on 06/21/2011 10:55:32 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: curth
4) The pollsters and others have gotten word on the downlow that Palin will sit it out. That fits Occam's razor better than any deeper machinations.
3 posted on 06/21/2011 10:56:09 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: curth

Today I was listening to Candidate Reagan speech. He made his announcement on Labor day in 1981. Palin is not in hurry. His speech was great, he slammed Carter left and Right. Current GOP candidates are planing to do kumbaya.


4 posted on 06/21/2011 11:09:27 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: higgmeister
That doesn't make sense at either end, them secretly learning that, or them reacting by merely quietly, dropping her from their polling, and then not a pep in the media to all of that.
5 posted on 06/21/2011 11:14:34 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: curth

Here’s the deal. Let them swing away and knock each other out. Because that is sure what’s happening. Sarah doesn’t have to say or do anything right now. This is almost comical.


6 posted on 06/21/2011 11:16:30 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: higgmeister
The pollsters and others have gotten word on the downlow...

Wow, it doesn't get any better sourced than that.

LOL.

An anonymous internet guy citing unnamed pollsters and unnamed others, who have gotten word on the downlow.

7 posted on 06/21/2011 11:20:55 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: curth
She's like Kryptonite to RINOs.

They have a surprise coming. ;)

8 posted on 06/21/2011 11:28:25 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: jennychase
Today I was listening to Candidate Reagan speech. He made his announcement on Labor day in 1981. Palin is not in hurry.

Forget Reagan who announced in November. MB has just announced in mid June.

Here are a couple of rules for you.

Any questions?

9 posted on 06/21/2011 11:32:53 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: curth

Is that guy still around....wish he would just go back to sucking toes. Geesssh, Who cares what he thinks?


10 posted on 06/21/2011 11:49:24 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: FreeReign
An anonymous internet guy citing unnamed pollsters and unnamed others, who have gotten word on the downlow.

What !?     I cited nothing!

I saw three theories proposed at the end of the original article and I only added a fourth that made more sense.

Regarding ambiguous citing; the first three theories suggesting "The media" is intentionally de-listing Sarah Palin from polls lacks some specificity doesn't it?

11 posted on 06/21/2011 11:55:37 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: savagesusie
Is that guy still around....wish he would just go back to sucking toes.

That's what he's doing right now. The only difference is, said toes are now Romney's. ;)

12 posted on 06/21/2011 11:57:42 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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13 posted on 06/22/2011 12:26:53 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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14 posted on 06/22/2011 12:28:26 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: jennychase
Today I was listening to Candidate Reagan speech. He made his announcement on Labor day in 1981.

Funny, I thought he'd announced before his inauguration.

15 posted on 06/22/2011 12:36:56 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: jennychase
Huh?! He was elected president in November 1980 but didn't declare until after his inauguration?
16 posted on 06/22/2011 12:44:37 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("We didn't lose Vietnam. We quit Vietnam." ~Gen. Al Haig)
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To: MestaMachine
If they wouldn't talk about global warming, it wouldn't exist. That's a fact.

Pretending that Sarah Palin (and the 61% of the voting population she represents) doesn't exist ... that's just something else.

17 posted on 06/22/2011 12:58:35 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: MestaMachine
You've probably already heard this lady. I think the correct date should be June 18, not June 28.

Let Freedom Ring June 28 2011 Kitty Werthmann
Kitty Werthmann lived under both the NAZIs and communism in Austria and Germany. Her story is a compelling wake-up call for Americans.

18 posted on 06/22/2011 1:05:28 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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Sorta like all those jobs le bam “created”.


19 posted on 06/22/2011 1:11:23 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: MestaMachine
I'm rethinking some of these "she isn't running" pundits. Dick Morris was previously favorable to Palin, as were several other pollster/consultant types. Of course, some of them never were.

What are the odds that everybody in that business sincerely goes over to the dark side when things are looking dangerous? Some maybe sincerely; but others out of survival, or until D-Day.

That woman speaking in the link above talked of living a double life during the Hitler years, one person at school and work, totally different person at home.

Just food for thought.

20 posted on 06/22/2011 1:31:49 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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