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VA Cemetery to Veterans: The Word "God," "Jesus" are Offensive, no Longer Allowed
Pundit Press ^ | 6/29/11 | Aurelius

Posted on 06/29/2011 4:58:40 AM PDT by therightliveswithus

The Houston National Cemetery has told veterans and volunteers alike that they can no longer use the word "God,""God bless," or "Jesus" at any and all funerals or condolence cards. The word has been deemed 'offensive.'

That is according to local volunteer and veterans groups that work at the cemetery. They are now suing the Cemetery in federal court so that they can use the word God.

To cite one specific example given in the suit, the director of the cemetery, Arleen Ocasio commanded volunteers never to use "God bless you" and "God bless" ever again at the cemetery.

Cheryl Whitfield, founder of Houston National Memorial Ladies, could not simply stand by. "I could've kept my mouth shut and let things happen, but when it comes to standing up for your belief in God and giving comfort to the families, I don't want to regret not saying anything," she said. "We all had to stand up for what we believe in."

Specifically, the suit brought against the cemetery and the Department of Veterans Affairs states that there has been "a widespread and consistent practice of discriminating against private religious speech."

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1 posted on 06/29/2011 4:58:45 AM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: therightliveswithus

Antichrists.


2 posted on 06/29/2011 4:59:40 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: therightliveswithus

God loves us and fights for us, shouldnt we do the same? This stuff just ruins my day. DAMNIT. Im sure Sheila Jackson Lee will get involved in this Houston affair


3 posted on 06/29/2011 5:02:52 AM PDT by GoCards (RUN SARAH RUN)
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To: therightliveswithus

Fine.

Yahweh bless you.
Elohim bless you.


4 posted on 06/29/2011 5:03:00 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Karl Childers (Sling Blade 1996))
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To: GoCards
She's too busy dealing with Koreanam.

5 posted on 06/29/2011 5:04:44 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Karl Childers (Sling Blade 1996))
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To: therightliveswithus

We were warned about these people in Catholic grade school during the 50’s.


6 posted on 06/29/2011 5:05:28 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Obama couldn't run a lemonade stand, much less a country. Away with him!)
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To: therightliveswithus

Tell them if they’re offended by God and Jesus, they can go (back) to Hell.


7 posted on 06/29/2011 5:06:26 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: therightliveswithus

Same place; similar story; is this the source of concern; TO WIT: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2726109/posts


8 posted on 06/29/2011 5:09:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: therightliveswithus
Satire?

Az. Conservative?

Unfortunately not. Here is a Prior article about the court ruling on this.

9 posted on 06/29/2011 5:12:09 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: therightliveswithus

The world gets more insane every day.

Cannot mention God at a cemetary.
Fruits getting married,
Atheists upset that a cross is in the desert
No Nativity sets at Christmas
Chaplains cannot say “In Jesus name”
A Catholic College covers religious objects when the Bama appears.
A Muslim in the White House.


10 posted on 06/29/2011 5:13:01 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: therightliveswithus

This is wrong at so many levels. Put aside the “Christian” angle for a moment. If you can’t mention God at a funeral, why do we have funerals? Why not just put the body in a garbage bag and throw it in with the rotten food and empty bottles at the trash dump?


11 posted on 06/29/2011 5:14:35 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Michael.SF.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7630537.html covers the same material. You can reference it through the blog posting. The two situations are related ~ but right off hand it sounds like a single person is the problem.


12 posted on 06/29/2011 5:14:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: therightliveswithus

It’s time to send Arleen Ocasio’s @$$ back to “The Gap” to sell blue jeans to teeny boppers. She’s obviously in over her head.


13 posted on 06/29/2011 5:15:17 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: therightliveswithus

Someone there in Texas needs to kick the shit out of the peon that implemented this.....you actually think a trial by jury in TX could convict him/her?


14 posted on 06/29/2011 5:17:22 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....first kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: therightliveswithus
The right wing conservatives who accurately predicted this type of Orwellian action by liberals (with extreme precision and accuracy since the 1960s) are proven right once again.

No matter how often the right wing conservatives are proven to be right, they will never receive due apology and a roll back from the damage done by the liars.

The social liberals and libertarians are once again proven wrong, or blind, or they are shown to be liars who are in cahoots with the left.

The social conservatives are right and if people have any honesty left they need to listen to the social conservatives.

It is never just about the economy, but that lie continues (as taught by liberal professors and televison shows) to be repeated with utter disregard to truth and America's historic values.

15 posted on 06/29/2011 5:17:47 AM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: therightliveswithus

And if they do mention God or Jesus, what will happen to them?


16 posted on 06/29/2011 5:20:22 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: therightliveswithus

death without God is offensive


17 posted on 06/29/2011 5:20:49 AM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: therightliveswithus

death without God is offensive


18 posted on 06/29/2011 5:20:56 AM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: muawiyah
but right off hand it sounds like a single person is the problem.

To be honest, I was skimming during morning coffee and did not read the details beyond what appears to confirm that it is indeed the same person involved in this matter.

19 posted on 06/29/2011 5:21:30 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: therightliveswithus

It has been scrubbed from Yahoo but in the search results: (404 error)

http://search.yahoo.com/404handler?src=news&fr=404_news&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scroogle.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Fnbbw.cgi&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fusnw%2F20110526%2Fpl_usnw%2FDM10001

2. Lawsuit Filed Against VA for Banning Invocation that Mentions ...

“26 May 2011 – Ms. Ocasio required that Pastor Rainey’s prayer be pre-approved by her ... “I am very disappointed that the Houston National Cemetery would ...”
news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20110526/pl_usnw/DM10001


20 posted on 06/29/2011 5:21:46 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Westbrook

These people can not be gone fast enough


21 posted on 06/29/2011 5:22:24 AM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: therightliveswithus

1st Amendment City


22 posted on 06/29/2011 5:23:03 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: therightliveswithus

The First Amendment is “Freedom OF religion” - not “FROM religion”


23 posted on 06/29/2011 5:23:32 AM PDT by newfreep (Palin/West 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: therightliveswithus

Enough is enough! We must take a stand. Please call Arleen Ocasio today at 281-447-8686 (extension 206) and e-mail her @ Arleen.ocasio@va.gov and respectfully ask her to let Pastor Scott Rainey pray according to his faith.

http://www.harriscountygop.com/eblast/eb052611.asp


24 posted on 06/29/2011 5:23:38 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: therightliveswithus
Why is it that Veterans - who gave their all for God and America - can be denied paying homage to God because someone who is still alive and probably wasn't even in the service?

What happened to the left's precious "freedom of speech and expression" when they want to soak a crucifix in a jar of urine, but a Veteran can put what he or his family wants on a gravestone?

The liberal dweebs are deciding for YOU what is offensive to THEM. Why are Veterans who risked it all to protect this freedom sitting still and doing nothing over this outrage?

Tell the blacks they need a voter ID card and they ravage a city, rioting away every available color TV set in sight, yet, our FIGHTING VETERANS are sitting still and letting some flea-infested, limp-wristed liberal tell them what they can, and cannot say.

The left has truly sissified this entire country...
25 posted on 06/29/2011 5:26:30 AM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: therightliveswithus
I was going to use my VA benefits to save my family some money at the time of my death.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No more.

26 posted on 06/29/2011 5:28:27 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: therightliveswithus
Here it is in another post and this time there is a phone number and an e-mail address. Bet that line is hot today and the mail box full. Vermin Ocasio!

http://buzzingtonhost.com/2011/05/26/freedom-of-religion-under-attack-again/

“The Obama Administration is trying to socialize the American economy and now they’re also coming after our religious liberty.”

“Enough is enough! We must take a stand. Please call Arleen Ocasio today at 281-447-8686 (extension 206) and e-mail her @ Arleen.ocasio@va.gov and respectfully ask her to let Pastor Scott Rainey pray according to his faith.”

27 posted on 06/29/2011 5:30:54 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: NRA1995
In the 70’s, too.
28 posted on 06/29/2011 5:31:01 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: therightliveswithus

I think this is a great idea!!! It lets people emulate the practices of a non-Christian “religon” by beheading those who are banning references to God.

/sarc

(No wonder America is in such trouble. The more the leftists try to steer us away from God, the madder He gets at us. This nation was founded on a strong Christian beliefs and the leftists are trying to force us into turning OUR backs on Him!!

D’oh!!)


29 posted on 06/29/2011 5:33:48 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: therightliveswithus

Beheadings of Christians will start soon. I am not kidding.


30 posted on 06/29/2011 5:35:47 AM PDT by bmwcyle
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To: Venturer

How do you get on this list of “People who must not be offended in any way”.

I am offended daily by some piece of idiocy. No one seems to care..........


31 posted on 06/29/2011 5:37:36 AM PDT by Cracker Jack (If it weren't for the democrats, republicans would be the worst thing in Washington.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
And if they do mention God or Jesus, what will happen to them?

People need to ignore the ruling. What the courts have ruled is evil and borders on absolute despotism.

These judges should be tarred and feathered and run from their benches.

They seek to be Gods but deny God. Damn all these judges and ALL those who accept what they say. They are not worthy to walk among us.

32 posted on 06/29/2011 5:38:51 AM PDT by sand88 (Sarah Palin announces her run: August 12, 2011 11:10am ET)
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To: therightliveswithus

If true, this is nothing at all short of outright insanity.

Moreover, it’s a clear violation of the First Amendment.


33 posted on 06/29/2011 5:39:17 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: therightliveswithus

Many veterans find Our Heavenly Father in the service of their nation. Our servicemen and women need the comfort and solace of being saved so if they are called, they can meet their deaths bravely.


34 posted on 06/29/2011 5:40:24 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: therightliveswithus

I suppose allha akbar would be ok.


35 posted on 06/29/2011 5:40:57 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: therightliveswithus
These GODless devils, led by 0bama the antiCHRIST, are interfering with my Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion by these actions and I refuse to comply!

Those Veterans buried in Our Cemeteries sacrificed to guarantee me those freedoms.

In 2012, Let's elect an AMERICAN , who cares about This Country, not a kenyan marxist bent on it's destruction!

36 posted on 06/29/2011 5:42:47 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: therightliveswithus

They always ignore that “...nor interfere with the free exercise thereof” part.


37 posted on 06/29/2011 5:44:55 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: therightliveswithus

Judge Says Pastor Can Say “Jesus Christ” at a Memorial Day Ceremony

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2725948/posts


38 posted on 06/29/2011 5:45:26 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Westbrook
Antichrists.

Athi-anarchists also.

39 posted on 06/29/2011 5:49:20 AM PDT by mountainlion (The time to be on guard against tyranny is before it has gotten you Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

What are they going to do? Throw someone in jail for saying God or Jesus. It’s America and we can say what we want. I would totally ignore this and say God Bless as many times as I pleased. This is insane.


40 posted on 06/29/2011 5:51:22 AM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Jack Hammer
The fellow behind it all is right here in the WarshDC area:

(from one of the pieces we have already referenced): "Pastor Rainey appealed Ms. Ocasio’s decree to the Department of Veterans Affairs counsel, John H. Thompson who swiftly told the pastor that he had until three o’clock that same afternoon to consent to the deletions of Jesus’ name from the prayer"

Ocasio is the hapless EIEIO hire but Jack Thompson, Deputy General Counsel, is the puke gunning for Christians.

I wonder if he set her up for this ~ with her responding to some sort of inquiry from someone who said "We were there last year and we were so mortified when someone dared to say "Jaysus' and we were offended and we are a minority".

She'd call Jack, give him some sort of story in broken English, and he'd come back with the stock answer given when you have a GOVERNMENT SPONSORED ACTIVITY ~ which this one isn't.

The government can presumably dictate to its own people on the clock, but this was a simple "use of facility" and the government has NO AUTHORITY to dictate what private individuals say ~ and Jack knows that ~ but he screwed up.

That would also explain why the VA field counsel didn't bother investigating anything before showing up in court.

41 posted on 06/29/2011 5:51:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: therightliveswithus
The article is somewhat dated, it looks like the VA has been given a “temporary” restraining order concerning this incident. That does not mean the battle if over.

--

U.S. VA Lost Suit to Stop Pastor from Using Jesus’ Name on Memorial Day

http://sleeplessandtired.com/?p=2534

The U.S. government through its Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) attempted to prevent a Houston pastor from using Jesus’ name in a Memorial Day prayer to honor fallen U.S. soldiers and their families. The voices of God, sanity, and a federal judge prevailed in the ruling. Lynn N. Hughes, United States District Judge in Houston Texas, granted a temporary restraining order on May 26, 2011 which prevented the United States Department of Veterans Affairs and Arleen Ocasio (Director of Houston’s National Cemetery) from requiring Pastor Scott Rainey to remove Jesus’ name from his Memorial Day prayer.

Judge Lynn N. Hughes, on May 26, 2011, at Houston, Texas declared in her temporary restraint:

“Arleen Ocasio, the United states Department of Veterans Affairs, and all those in concert with them are forbidden from dictating the content of speeches – whether those speeches are denominated prayers or otherwise – at the Memorial Day ceremony of National Cemetery Council for Greater Houston. The government is cautioned that interferences for this suit’s having been brought would be a further Constitutional violation.”

42 posted on 06/29/2011 5:51:50 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: therightliveswithus
How about "Allahu Akbar?"

Is it OK to say that?

43 posted on 06/29/2011 5:57:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: therightliveswithus

However,New Age pagans can dance under the moonlight on top of soldiers graves chanting prayers to Mother Gaia.

sarc//


44 posted on 06/29/2011 6:03:05 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: therightliveswithus

This is part of the Communist agenda and has been discussed here many times.


27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”


Communist Goals (1963)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595013/posts

The Communist Takeover of America: 45 Declared Goals (Congressional Record, 1963)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1561529/posts

How far have we fallen. Communist Goals (1963)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1552829/posts

Communist Goals (1963)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1529020/posts

1963 Communist Goals
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/651116/posts

Communist Goals (1963)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/650918/posts

Communist Goals (Agenda)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1226386/posts

Communist Goals (1963) (Should now read - The Liberal Agenda)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056942/posts


45 posted on 06/29/2011 6:12:08 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: therightliveswithus

We don’t need a lawsuit we need Arleen Ocasio fired! Who’s her boss? Call and email him/her and demand that this insensitive bit-h be fired, post haste.


46 posted on 06/29/2011 6:15:33 AM PDT by mistfree (The Law! How Quaint.)
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To: therightliveswithus

I’ll bet if muslims demanded they be allowed to say “allah,” these a-holes would back right down.


47 posted on 06/29/2011 6:18:26 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: sand88

This was a rule by the VA cemetery director, Arleen Ocasio. A judge ruled they could say Jesus and God:

The U.S. government through its Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) attempted to prevent a Houston pastor from using Jesus’ name in a Memorial Day prayer to honor fallen U.S. soldiers and their families. The voices of God, sanity, and a federal judge prevailed in the ruling. Lynn N. Hughes, United States District Judge in Houston Texas, granted a temporary restraining order on May 26, 2011 which prevented the United States Department of Veterans Affairs and Arleen Ocasio (Director of Houston’s National Cemetery) from requiring Pastor Scott Rainey to remove Jesus’ name from his Memorial Day prayer.

http://sleeplessandtired.com/?p=2534

Sometimes instead of judges, it is idiot bureaucrats who act way above their pay grade!


48 posted on 06/29/2011 6:19:39 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: therightliveswithus

So, let me have this right... if I were to get up and eulogize a veteran family member on those grounds and used the words “God” or “Jesus,” I’d be breaking...

...what law?


49 posted on 06/29/2011 6:23:12 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Imagine.... a world without islam.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Here's some more...The documents allege that VA prohibited volunteer honor guards from providing optional recitations to families for consideration, and that when burial teams conduct military honors for a veteran's funeral, a government official monitors what is said.

This is a time I wish I lived in Houston. I'd wear a tee with Jesus on the front and back. She clearly overstepped her bounds and it's a time when the tough fight back and squash her. The veterans already did their job - it's our turn to support them.
50 posted on 06/29/2011 6:24:24 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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