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Urban Survival Skills To Keep Your Ass Alive
survive2thrive.ne ^ | 7/14/11 | Steve

Posted on 07/14/2011 9:06:55 PM PDT by Kartographer

Even if you are fortunate enough to have a retreat out in the country getting to your safe haven maybe impossible during upheaval. Roads blocked by wrecked and fuelless vehicles will stop most bugouters in their tracks. Maybe you were born lucky and can make it out safely before the balloon bursts, then what? People in rural areas, will start shooting if threatened by mobs of refugees fleeing the city. Don’t expect to be welcomed with arms outstretched. Most country folks don’t trust outsiders; you will likely be greeted with a load of buckshot and not the cup of fresh coffee and meaningful conversation you hoped for.

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To: MHGinTN
Fresh crap can be detected hundreds of yards form the source.

That must be why Obama wants to move the debt ceiling talks to Camp David?

51 posted on 07/14/2011 11:39:47 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

LOL


52 posted on 07/14/2011 11:45:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Errant

From what I hear about barry bassturd doinmg a presser Friday in the AM, it sounds like there will be plenty of fresh crap for the complicit sycophantic media whores to spread around.


53 posted on 07/14/2011 11:46:44 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Must be time to fertilize ‘Moochelle’s garden. ;-)


54 posted on 07/14/2011 11:56:23 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
SO much fantasy

SO few facts..

There is a guy named Ferfal that has a blog covering the fall of Argentina.

You all should read it. You just might learn something.

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

Read it and weap.

55 posted on 07/15/2011 12:02:10 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: Kartographer
"Wild Game in Urban Survival Planning

As the human population continues to decline, look for a huge increase in the number of wild and semi-wild animals...Look for huge numbers of semi-domestic dogs and cats to populate urban areas after a collapse. If you can get past the thought and your own limitations these can be good sources of meat.
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LOL, suburban livestock!


56 posted on 07/15/2011 1:03:36 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Kartographer

There will probably be more rats than dogs and cats. Think about it, eh?


57 posted on 07/15/2011 1:19:59 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Roccus

“Leave the bodies in the road as a message.”


And mount the heads on pikes beside them. No better visual aid to remind the ferals, “we got them..and we`ll get YOU!” When Blackbeard`s head was staked down at Hampton Harbor, suddenly the number of “visits” by other pirates slowed to a manageable trickle.


58 posted on 07/15/2011 2:47:11 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?)
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To: Travis McGee

I’ll volunteer for dog watch....an can tie a sheep shank !


59 posted on 07/15/2011 3:42:48 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Travis McGee

That’s a handsome boat. Motor sailer, I believe, from the high freeboard and cabin roof. For years I dreamed of owning one. More living space than the typical sailboat.

But when SHTF, won’t coastal waters be swarming with high speed pirate boats that would put Somalis to shame?


60 posted on 07/15/2011 4:07:28 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: Kartographer

I have some plans on an urban punkin chucker, except the punkins will have something else, like willie pete.

having access to large air tanks, welding equipment and of course being a fabricator I can easily make a punkin chucker on a turret, set up on high ground, set up a kill zone with test runs ar certain pressures for distances.

And that is just one project, next is the redneck version of a bouncing betty.


61 posted on 07/15/2011 4:26:45 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Errant

Nope, my escape pod is incognito on the net. I just grabbed that picture off google.


62 posted on 07/15/2011 4:42:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: elcid1970; Squantos; MHGinTN
The photo I used earlier was just grabbed off google as an example of the sailboat escape pod option. This is my boat, built by me. Right now, today, you can buy a used 35 footer that can cross oceans for 25-100K, depending on its condition etc. You don't need a bigger boat like mine.

As far as pirates swarming coastal areas, one, they suck gasoline and that won't be available, and two, coastal areas are easy to avoid. The open ocean is where you go to sit out crunch time and await events. I have spent 60 days at sea (Guam-California) and could go 200 days if I needed to, say, during a pandemic.

These are my escape pod.


63 posted on 07/15/2011 4:53:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Roccus
Still, I know my place.

__________________________________________

See, that's why I won't ever make a move like that. You've been there nine years, are quality people with your head & heart in the rigt place and your neighbors still don't accept you as a peer. Not for me.

64 posted on 07/15/2011 4:58:32 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Cheetahcat
The punks and try, but Affirmative Action WILL NOT protect them.

Amen. We live in a gated community surrounded by rednecks. We plan on manning the only road in and holding out "Wild Bunch" style.

And yes the wife and I have an M1917 and ANM2 ready to go ;)

65 posted on 07/15/2011 5:12:30 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....first kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: Travis McGee

Many of us here know your life quite well, it may be hard for some newcomers to understand your passion for the sea and your knowledge of survival skills.

Maybe they should read some books? (wink wink)

I however have found a natural barrier against zombies, illegal aliens, man hungry cell phone deprived blond bimbos or any type of urbam refugee good and bad and thats living in Alaska, its pretty darn difficult to get to in short order.

Even just driving here can be an ordeal and the road can be closed and guarded immediately and held with just a couple of people. Of course we will probably have Anchorage zombies but as soon as they try to raise a ruckus the rednecks and Valley trash will have a field day.

Ideally a person who needs to stay on land should find a geographical area thats either unattractive to urban zombies and such or easily defendable or remote.

But overall the smart move is to simply run away and don’t look back, flee the cities.

If we have major catastrophic disasters such as mega earthquakes, tsunamis, polar shifts etc. I am thinking that running to the hills is still the most traditional and safest bet.

Urban zombies cannot survive in the mountains.


66 posted on 07/15/2011 5:15:26 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Travis McGee

She’s gorgeous.


67 posted on 07/15/2011 5:17:26 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (I got a fever and the only prescription is more watermelon trickworm, better known as bass crack.)
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To: Eye of Unk

If you can live in Alaska, I think you’re already 99% of the way toward being a survivor. Assuming you don’t depend on regular home heating oil deliveries etc to remain above 32* body core temp. For sure, the zombies will be going the other way!


68 posted on 07/15/2011 5:23:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

That’s not mine, I just grabbed it off the net as an example. My pics are above at about 60.


69 posted on 07/15/2011 5:25:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Eye of Unk

“But overall the smart move is to simply run away and don’t look back, flee the cities.”

Here’s the problem I see with most plans that involve fleeing - I think the “bug out” plans of most will be foiled by those fleeing just before them. Blocking a road, even a highway, is just a chainsaw away.

If you aren’t where you want to be when things happen, you should plan on staying where you happen to be.

Survivalist escape philosophy seems to be predicated on unprepared urban dwellers hitting the road pillaging. This may well be a problem, but I think the biggest problem for most “bug out” plans is other survivalists with a chainsaw or rural locals who simply don’t want to risk folks showing up on their doorstep and taking steps to minimize the numbers.

I find the “mad max” scenario to be unbelievable anyway - but having been in the middle of the LA riots way back when, anything can happen.


70 posted on 07/15/2011 5:26:23 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: DCBryan1

I could visualize that liberal democrats in an orgasmic frenzy think that in the times of tumult and societal breakdown that most Americans will be gun less or short of ammo.

I really doubt Americans will be like third world people with AK’s firing into the sky. And should there be a shortage of guns or ammo almost any tech savvy person can build a crossbow, or even one that can fire automatically.

I could make a device again just using seamless pipe and simple round aluminum pistons lubed so that with the sudden release of air pressure from a large tank it will fire off several dozen arrows or banded flechettes.

Its easy to make killing devices, its also very hard to defend a poorly chosen haven, keeping in mind one such visual representation is “The Omega Man”.

Mountains for me, in Alaska, where its too far and too cold for the zombies to be interested and where no one can see the places where the backhow will bury any that do approach.


71 posted on 07/15/2011 5:26:23 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: wtc911

May have sounded worse than it is. Being born and raised in NYC, my life’s skills are different than those needed here. I guess the main thing is the LACK of population. Back in NY I didn’t care if I didn’t get along with some people in my building, on my block or in my neighborhood. There was a large pool to pick friends from. Here, not getting along with that same number of people equals a much larger percentage of my neighbors. After nine years, I’m STILL working on overcoming my “big city isolationism”. I’ve got my “back door” neighbors and life is good.


72 posted on 07/15/2011 5:29:36 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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later


73 posted on 07/15/2011 5:33:54 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (If you voted for Obama to prove you are not racist, vote against him to prove you are not an idiot.)
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To: Roccus

I know it’s working for you and I’m glad. It was a smart move.


74 posted on 07/15/2011 5:38:19 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: RFEngineer

That is what will define a real survivalist, having the intuition, the guts, the audacity or just blind logical faith to know when its time to leave.
Many are already living in such an ideal place, I can say I might be one of them since I am in Wasilla, Alaska.

I have relatives in California, for them all I can say is good luck, I know they will immediately be crying for refuge.

Yes if anything the greatest dangers will be those on the road, desperate people that consist of family and children.They can be the most determined to survive or can be the easiest prey for those looking for spoils.

So one can debate all day long about strategies, tools, equipment, fuel caches and such but ultimately it boils down to who is in charge of the country, who is RIGHT for the job, who has the proper vision of order, who has the proven background of being quite literally...undefeated.

Thats it for me, time to head to work, got me a nasty welding job inside a concrete batching machine this morning.


75 posted on 07/15/2011 5:42:06 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: wtc911

Yeah, it was. I drove through my old neighborhoods about three years ago. Newtown where I grew up (94 & 53) is unrecognizeable and Woodside (69 & Woodside) is a zoo.
With all that went on in housing, I imagine things are going well for you, no?


76 posted on 07/15/2011 5:51:10 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Travis McGee

Better have some SERIOUS ‘repel boarders’ hardware aboard-!! I suspect the biggest threats might be airborne.


77 posted on 07/15/2011 6:08:49 AM PDT by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: All

The news will not go down right away and you will be able to see the deteriotion for a time. One of the best indicators that it’s time to bug out is when you start hearing that firefighters are being shot at. They WILL NOT respond to any calls for service after this, and the ferals will continue to burn down anything that offends them, after stripping it clean of course. Also when police stations are being burned, it’s definitely over. Those police officers that survive will be ordered to a fall back rally point, most likely in the county.

If you stay put in a city residence with the plan to shoot anyone that comes around, plan to burn in it. If the ferals can’t get in it, they will burn it. Remember, historically, fighting in built up areas causes the most casualties than any other enviroment. Line of sight distances are greatly reduced and there is more cover and concealment that an encroaching enemy can use to move up on your city house. They WILL go house to house once they have eliminated law enforcement as a threat. Law enforcement may be tasked in protecting important assets like hospitals, power or water companies or even National Guard armories or Reserve Component units. If the ferals get ahold of several of those, that will make things much more difficult. Expect no mercy or sympathy, social justice will become social revenge for ALL the past injustices, real or percieved.

If you can possibly do it, have a place or a friend outside of the city limits. It can’t hurt to leave early, and be able to go with a majority of gear in less than two hours. If you wait too long, law enforcement and perhaps military, will set up roadblocks from major arteries from the city to the counties and may turn you back. Or attempt to. Others might set up road blocks as well and they will want your gear. It’s best to be gone and set up in your secondary position prior to those being organized.

I have told few close friends that I prep and urge them to do the same. I have also told them that I would turn them away at gunpoint if they show up at my residence begging.

Everyone must prepare, and have some skill set to be useful. The unprepared and useless will starve.


78 posted on 07/15/2011 6:23:29 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: ASOC

SEE POST #3. Lots of Facts.


79 posted on 07/15/2011 6:42:50 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

survival ping


80 posted on 07/15/2011 7:06:59 AM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Roccus

Yes in the South the criminal gangs are going to last about 48 hours once they venture out of the inner city and out to the burbs. Everyone is armed to the teeth down here. People in the burbs down here will band together to protect their neighborhoods. Its still going to be a miserable existence though. Stock up way more than you think you will need. Make sure you have a water filter. I highly recommend the Big Berkey light. Price approx. $235. We have one.

If you can get any kind of rural retreat do it soon. Stock it up and make sure you know 2-3 different ways to get there. Even an acre of land and a used travel trailer will be preferable to trying to survive in an urban area.

Picture your neighborhood 1 month past the last garbage pickup. Then on top of garbage piling up in the streets picture no running water for 1 month. That means no flushing toilets and no clean drinking water. Dehydration, dysentery and typhoid will kill more people than starvation and criminals. Make sure you have anti diarreahals like Immodium etc. and antibiotics. You can obtain anitbiotics legally at www.survivinghealthy.com


81 posted on 07/15/2011 7:07:05 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Made my own for about $112.00 filters and all:

http://www.survival-spot.com/survival-blog/homemade-berkey-water-filter/

Also in my Preparedness Manual (see post #3)


82 posted on 07/15/2011 7:12:36 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Sherman Logan
“Not really. By far the most abundant source of meat in an urban environment is humans.”

I'm not so sure about that. About 5 years ago, I was working on a building rehab job a few blocks from the WTC. The building was mid 1800s and plans were long gone. We found a sub-sub-basement that the owner did not even know existed. It was a half-height door behind piles of junk. Not opened for at least 50 years.

I will remember that smell forever. When I shined a light in, the floor looked like it was moving frantically. It was wall-to-wall rats as far as you could see, their eyes reflecting off the light. Many were bigger than cats and made low-frequency growling noises.

An exterminator was called and said we were lucky to be alive opening such a door full of cornered rats. A few more minutes and they would have turned us into food.

The NYC rats are very elusive and will almost never appear within sight of humans. If you’re on one of the few dead-quiet blocks and quietly look out your window in the middle of the night, you’ll see swarms of huge rats foraging. They scatter at the slightest noise. There are many, many underground passages and chambers around NYC for them to hide.

83 posted on 07/15/2011 7:21:23 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Roccus
Things are ok but costs are getting to us. We will likely sell off everything in about eight years. We will get out then but I don't know where we will go. Maybe the DR, maybe just out to the South Fork.

When I'm not making FRenemies over Palin(™) I'm spending a lot of time in LA, Vancouver and Korea these days on movie stuff. Nothing big yet but things look promising. I'll keep you posted. Let me know if you'd like to read a script.

84 posted on 07/15/2011 7:33:54 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: varyouga

In 1949 the NYC rat population was estimated at one per 36 people. Average rat weighs around a pound. You do the math.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/rats.asp


85 posted on 07/15/2011 7:36:32 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Kartographer

Yes I’ve seen your manual. Its got some good information.

Sadly there is only going to be a small percentage of folks who will actually prepare for an ongoing crisis. I have ony been able to talk one of my friends into prepping. My sister finally broke down and bought a 25 LB bag of rice. So about 2 weeks after the SHTF we can expect to see them and their 100 lb dog at our gate. The dieoff will be pretty horrific in the first 90 days. If you can survive for 6-12 mos you will have a chance to make it until things get back to semi-normal.

We have spent the last 2 and a half years getting ready. It was a twisty road. Personally we believe the most important thing is to have a plan. You have to wargame and be mentally prepared. At the minimum you should be able to navigate your own property with a weapon at night without a light. (We practice it all the time) Thats what intruders will do.

Another really good thing to have is a mobile security alarm. We call her Coco. 10 lbs of shreaking fury. She hears everything, it doesn’t cost much to feed her and she operates 24 hours per day.


86 posted on 07/15/2011 7:42:40 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Another really good thing to have is a mobile security alarm. We call her Coco. 10 lbs of shreaking fury. She hears everything, it doesn’t cost much to feed her and she operates 24 hours per day.

Ha! Our Coco(a) is an 8 lb male chihuahua. Sadly he's mostly deaf (14 years old) so he's no alarm.

87 posted on 07/15/2011 8:33:22 AM PDT by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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To: Kartographer
Next you will need something to cook on. I recommend one of the Colman multi fuel camp stoves. I have the Peak1 which burns both Coleman fuel and kerosene. These stoves are small, light weight and very energy-efficient. Remember, when using stoves like these indoors the fumes must be vented to the outside, if not carbon monoxide can build up and kill you

We have a Coleman, but we also have sterno stoves (the 2 burner models) and are stockpiling both sterno cans (both sizes) and fuel for the Coleman.

We have been stockpiling bottled water, medicines, canned soups, canned vegetables, canned fruits, and canned beans and meats (protein) for some time now. We have a 6' 2 door cabinet in the basement for just the canned foods-it's almost full.

I remember back in the Reagan administration (not sure 1st or 2nd) reading a letter in the Ann Landers column. A reader told her about discovering a can of tuna that had an expiration date in the Nixon administration! She stated that she'd discarded the can, but wanted to know if it would have been safe to eat. Ann consulted with some chemists, canning operators, FDA staff, etc, and their conclusion was, the food might have deteriorated a little in taste, texture, and vitamin "availability", but it would have been safe. More recently, I saw an article on a grocery store that had gone out of business way back in 1969. Somehow a can of corn from it had gone into storage-don't ask me how or why, it's been a few months. Anyhow, the can was taken to a lab, opened-and the corn inside looked as if it had been canned last month. It was perfectly safe to eat. So I say, regard expiration dates as interesting suggestions, not commandments from God. At least for cans that require a can opener...Not sure if I trust the pop top canned foods as much, and it's getting harder to find the old fashioned, less convenient cans.

I suggest all preppers who NEED their morning coffee make damn' sure they have a camp or stovetop perculator coffee pot, and filters. We made coffee with the stovetop on a sterno stove-it was very hot and very good. I used non dairy creamer with it...With the electric, the creamer just slowly dissolves into the coffee. With the perculator, the creamer disintigrated on coffee impact. It was really impressive to see.

88 posted on 07/15/2011 8:46:30 AM PDT by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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To: kaylar

I recomend a ‘Rocket Stove’

http://www.stovetec.net/us/index.php

There are plans for a DIY rocket stove in my Preparedess Manaul (See post #3)


89 posted on 07/15/2011 8:50:55 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Travis McGee

Waterworld. Don’t forget your tomato seeds.


90 posted on 07/15/2011 8:59:09 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: MHGinTN

Buy yourself a Waterbob.


91 posted on 07/15/2011 9:02:57 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: ASOC

If we go into a full blown financial collapse, the fallout will be unprecedented in history. Not even Rome is an analogy. Mad Max might be the closest thing.


92 posted on 07/15/2011 9:08:54 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Free Vulcan

I think that we are at the very least in for a collapse much like that of Argentina’s ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index),


93 posted on 07/15/2011 9:11:30 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: ASOC

If we go into a full blown financial collapse, the fallout will be unprecedented in history. Not even Rome is an analogy. Mad Max might be the closest thing.


94 posted on 07/15/2011 9:13:24 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: kaylar

Our Beagle Buddy is 15 and mostly deaf. He’s retired now and spends 22 of 24 hours in his petbed. Coco took over Sentry duty about 2 yrs ago. LOL!


95 posted on 07/15/2011 9:16:10 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kartographer

At the very least. We are a far more urbanized and populated society with the most advanced system of financial exchange and goods distribution ever put in place. 99% of our population relies on that system exclusively. If that fails, it will be hell on earth.


96 posted on 07/15/2011 9:27:04 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: MHGinTN

Actually I prefer varieties of composting toilets, rather than a pit outhouse. A trench latrine can have a small outhouse on top and be moved bit by bit, so the excrement composts quickly.

I highly recommend “Humanure” which is online as well as for sale, I have a copy, and it is the best book on the subject.


97 posted on 07/15/2011 9:53:22 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ASOC; Kartographer

Argentina was just one country.

When it blows this time, it’s the entire system, so Argentina is just a small preview, not the worst case scenario.


98 posted on 07/15/2011 10:01:47 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: MHGinTN
there will be plenty of fresh crap for the complicit sycophantic media whores to spread around.

You was right! :)

99 posted on 07/15/2011 10:04:45 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Travis McGee

One word - pirates.


100 posted on 07/15/2011 10:13:55 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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