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It's Conservatism (Or why we can't support Ron Paul)
The Band Of Patriots ^ | August 2nd, 2011 | Matthew Monos

Posted on 08/05/2011 9:43:48 PM PDT by orthodoxyordeath

During the past few years, the American people have witnessed the strikingly meteoric rise of two politicians on both sides of the political aisles. These two burst onto the political scene during the '08 Presidential Race, and have impassioned individuals in a manner not seen in recent memory. The Liberals got Barack Obama. We all know how that turned out. The Conservatives got stuck with Ron Paul, a deadweight if there ever was one.

Now, as we enter into the full swing mayhem of the next presidential race, it's interesting to note the similarities between "Paul-ites" and the '08 "Obama-ites". The support Paul has on the Internet is probably only second to Obama, and Paul's supporters (you know who I'm talking about!) are some of the most dedicated and rabid ones around. I'm not going to mince words here, Paul fans are as impaired and emotionally unstable as the Obama supporters were (and still are). After jumping onto the passing "Ron Paul Revolution" bus, people have lost their political sanity. The Paul movement is stronger than ever, and people are joining his campaign everyday. I have major problems with him, and I'm going to lay them out here.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; blogpimp; conservatism; libertarianism; ronpaul
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1 posted on 08/05/2011 9:43:52 PM PDT by orthodoxyordeath
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To: orthodoxyordeath

R-U-N Paul is a Libertarian, not a Conservative. He’s not worth the ink people are wasting on him.


2 posted on 08/05/2011 9:48:44 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad

Agree. Can’t stand the guy or his supporters.


3 posted on 08/05/2011 9:54:27 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade, There are only two sides. Pick one.)
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To: SoldierDad

Ron Paul is the constitutionalist that ‘conservatives’ say they’re looking for, but really aren’t. Paul is right, conservatives have lost their way and have become more and more like progressives. But we keep voting for the same old frauds and think it will work THIS time.


4 posted on 08/05/2011 9:54:55 PM PDT by vigilo
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To: orthodoxyordeath
If Ron would ascend the WH, there is no doubt he would get rid of the FBI, CIA, NSA, and well, every other agency he can find. Do we really want that

The ATF, yes I could see doing away with them. The rest, not so much.

5 posted on 08/05/2011 9:56:24 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: orthodoxyordeath

Ron Paul can blow it out his ass. There is a difference between Conservatism and Anarchy. Ron is all anarchy. Now if you want me to vote for his son I am on board. He is a Reaganite.


6 posted on 08/05/2011 9:56:36 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: vigilo

R-U-N Paul is a fraud.


7 posted on 08/05/2011 9:56:50 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: orthodoxyordeath

Your link didn’t work for me, try this one:

http://thebandofpatriots.com/blog/2011/8/2/its-conservatism-stupid-or-why-i-wont-ever-support-ron-paul.html

(Conservatism was spelled conservativsm in your links...)


8 posted on 08/05/2011 9:58:09 PM PDT by EasySt (2012... Sometimes you have to flush twice.)
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To: EasySt

Whoops, I completely messed up the URL somehow. I’m so sorry guys. First post, noob here, have some mercy :-/


9 posted on 08/05/2011 10:03:24 PM PDT by orthodoxyordeath
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To: vigilo
Ron Paul is the constitutionalist that ‘conservatives’ say they’re looking for, but really aren’t. Paul is right, conservatives have lost their way and have become more and more like progressives. But we keep voting for the same old frauds and think it will work THIS time.

Nonsense. Ron Paul is a libertarian, not a conservative. Ron Paul is the same as Andre Marrou, Harry Browne, Michael Badnarik, etc - all failed libertarian presidential candidates, all utterly insignificant politically. The only reason Paul is even noticed at all is because he runs as a Republican instead of the libertarian that he actually is.

When all is said and done and Paul gets some tiny fraction of the primary vote, more than half of his supporters will go on to vote for Obama in the general election rather than the GOP nominee anyway. Many, perhaps most, libertarian leaning voters are simply mushhead college students that want legalized dope and are attracted to a peacenik agenda.

TL;DR, Paul is a libertarian not a conservative, doesn't really belong in the Republican party and adds precious little to the GOP.

10 posted on 08/05/2011 10:08:10 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: sageb1
Can’t stand the guy or his supporters.

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11 posted on 08/05/2011 10:13:30 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: orthodoxyordeath

Keep those earmarks coming Ron...


12 posted on 08/05/2011 10:14:06 PM PDT by Fred (Palin/Bachmann 2012 OR Bachmann/Palin 2012......that is the ticket!!!)
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To: orthodoxyordeath

It might not have been your fault. They may have made the initial mistake and fixed it, leaving you with bad links...

;-)


13 posted on 08/05/2011 10:14:39 PM PDT by EasySt (2012... Sometimes you have to flush twice.)
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To: SoldierDad
Ron Paul is a nut, Alan Keyes is rabidly insane, and there are more like them in the GOP. Yet both transfix viewers when they manage to suddenly become coherent and say something that makes sense. Then, they scare the crap out of the statist bulk of the GOP.

But dismissing a large part of the conservative movement that feels there is more honesty in libertarian views is mostly disingenuous.Franklin would have happily called himself a libertarian, Goldberg enjoined libertarianism, and as for supporting "the Reaganite":

From the pen of Ronald Reagan, himself in Reason magazine in 1975:

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

The problem is that are so many assumed conservatives who are pissed that the Left is getting away with what they would like to do - use the force of a central government to make individuals live according their world view.

14 posted on 08/05/2011 10:19:57 PM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: Longbow1969

Oh, I get it. A conservative is someone who believes in unconstitutional government as long as it’s THEIR unconstitutional government. Vote for Romney or Perry or Palin or whomever ends up getting the nod and you know what you’ll get? Bigger government because not a one of them truly believes in smaller government or placing the chains of the constitution back on the feds. Yes, during the election they’ll talk about it, but once they get in power, forget about it.

We need to wake up to the fraud that is so called conservatism which isn’t conservatism at all. It’s just the slow socialism that so many of you claim to hate yet you continue to support election cycle after election cycle and then wonder why we keep getting the same old crap out of D.C.


15 posted on 08/05/2011 10:21:02 PM PDT by vigilo
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To: orthodoxyordeath
The Conservatives got stuck with Ron Paul, a deadweight if there ever was one.

Ron Paul is no conservative, nor does he have a chance of winning the nomination.

He runs because he likes the attention his cult gives him.

16 posted on 08/05/2011 10:23:14 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: vigilo
I hope that you also are wearing your flame retardant boxers. :-)
17 posted on 08/05/2011 10:29:20 PM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: orthodoxyordeath

The BEST article I’ve ever read on Ron Paul. It expresses my thoughts on him completely!


18 posted on 08/05/2011 10:38:52 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: SoldierDad

“R-U-N Paul is a Libertarian, not a Conservative. He’s not worth the ink people are wasting on him.”

I’m SO glad he decided not to run on third party ticket, though, as he did in 1988. He’d be a real spoiler and doom us to a second term of BHO for sure. At least this way, we’ll get rid of him (not soon enough, but soon as possible).

I’m also scared to death that Trump’s going to get back in as a third party candidate. He talks about it at least once a week.


19 posted on 08/05/2011 10:43:15 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: SoldierDad

“He’s not worth the ink people are wasting on him.”

The problem is, the leftist MSM thinks this nutjob represents real conservatives. It galls me how so many of them make him the face of the Tea Party.


20 posted on 08/05/2011 10:50:17 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: llandres

This blog link is dead. might as well read some internet posts.


21 posted on 08/05/2011 10:53:50 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (I like it that FR still spell checks "obama")
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To: orthodoxyordeath

“Whoops, I completely messed up the URL somehow. I’m so sorry guys. First post, noob here, have some mercy :-/”

I just used some ingenuity and did a search from within the site :-)

It was a great post, thanks for that.

I remember MY very first thread post (I was clueless) - the headline had a typo in it! So embarrassing. Then I guess JimRob took pity on me, because next thing I knew, it was corrected :-)))))))))))

Again, thanks for that post. Think I’ll print it out, carry it with me and next time I encounter another misled Ron Paul fan, just hand it to them to read (if they seem open to reason, that is).


22 posted on 08/05/2011 11:05:18 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

“Now if you want me to vote for his son I am on board. He is a Reaganite.”

RP probably wonders where he went wrong as a father :-)

But look which member of the family made Senator.

LOL


23 posted on 08/05/2011 11:08:26 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: orthodoxyordeath

Hint. Nobody clicks on blog links. If your blog has something to say, say it. Don’t stop in mid sentence.

You’re new here. You’ll find out we hate unnecessary excerpts. It looks like you’re blog pimping.

Just say it.


24 posted on 08/05/2011 11:10:15 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: CJ Wolf; All

http://thebandofpatriots.com/blog/2011/8/2/its-conservatism-stupid-or-why-i-wont-ever-support-ron-paul.html

This is the page where I found the article.


25 posted on 08/05/2011 11:17:26 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Soothesayer9

Ron Paul’s ideas on foreign policy are really scary.

He does NOT understand Islam in the least. They are commanded to convert, subjugate or kill ALL non-Muslims (Infidels) and it has nothing whatsoever to do with what WE do or do not do. They’d really love for us to follow what RP preaches - just look the other way, ignore Israel and hide our heads in the sand.

We already have one president who’s helping our enemies and leaving us more vulnerable than ever - the last thing we need is another.


26 posted on 08/05/2011 11:29:40 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: orthodoxyordeath

Go away.

I suppose I’ll have email spam again tonite.


27 posted on 08/05/2011 11:41:45 PM PDT by right way right (Put down the remote, and vote!)
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To: smoothsailing









28 posted on 08/05/2011 11:50:48 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
Hmm, if a picture equals a thousand words....
29 posted on 08/06/2011 12:11:43 AM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: Soothesayer9

why not? what has the FBI ever done for you?


30 posted on 08/06/2011 12:44:07 AM PDT by pangenesis (Legalize freedom - vote Ron Paul!)
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To: vigilo

We have a bunch neocons calling themselves conservatives but of course they are big government commies and former Trotskyites that have co-opted the right.


31 posted on 08/06/2011 12:52:18 AM PDT by AngryMan0
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To: Allegra

I guess what I mean is we got stuck with him in that he’s the supposed “star” now, and he somehow got associated, wrongly, with us conservatives


32 posted on 08/06/2011 12:52:22 AM PDT by orthodoxyordeath
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To: CJ Wolf

That was addressed, I apologize. I’d change the link if I could. A word is misspelled in the given link somehow, that’s the real link:

http://thebandofpatriots.com/blog/2011/8/2/its-conservatism-stupid-or-why-i-wont-ever-support-ron-paul.html


33 posted on 08/06/2011 12:52:30 AM PDT by orthodoxyordeath
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To: orthodoxyordeath

True Liberty is not license. Those who think as you, sir, pervert liberty, and destroy the fundamental principles that allow a culture to thrive economically. This is the error of libertarian philosophy.

What libertarianism proposes is moral relativism under the pretense of “non-interference.” However, in the final measure, the result is that guaranteed outcome of any morally ambiguous system, which denies human nature and the transcendent truths that govern all cause and effect relationships. In practice the imagined utopia of the libertarian is identical in its altruistic deception to that of atheistic communism; and the outcome is predictable: the destruction of the individual and the corporate body of humanity we call society.

Libertarians think they may advance the cause of “social liberalism” simultaneously with “fiscal conservatism;” but this duality of purpose is folly, and works diametrically and insidiously against itself. The social plagues induced by such novel philosophies invariably drain the public treasury, render the distinctions of absolute right and wrong to ambiguity, destroy public confidence in justice, and dissolve private wealth.

Human society does not and cannot exist in a moral vacuum. A society that having no absolute standards of conduct defers all decisions to the individual, exercising little or no restraint on behavior, abdicates the single most legitimate purpose of the state: to increase the common good and uphold the moral order. To quote Edmond Burke:

“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites, — in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity, — in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption, — in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

-— Letter to a Member of the National Assembly (1791)

A corrupt society, filled with men of licentious inclinations, cannot maintain its economic stability; or do you suppose the folly of the Roman Republic is worth revisiting in our times? “Give us bread and circuses!”

Economics does not transcend moral absolutes. Economics does not trump the Natural Law. History proves conclusively that no immoral or amoral culture can long prosper, nor survive its growing litany of perversions against the Natural Law; for such a corrupt body becomes its own undoing. Unfettered liberty generates unfettered vice.

Vice is not virtue; even if for a time libertarianism may advance a nation’s economic standing, it remains a foundation of sand because it denies the absolute transcendent truth indelibly stamped on the consciousness of every man by He who created all things. God is not mocked.


34 posted on 08/06/2011 4:38:25 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Soothesayer9
If Ron would ascend the WH, there is no doubt he would get rid of the FBI, CIA, NSA, and well, every other agency he can find. Do we really want that

You forgot to mention the military. He is the only person in America who Hates our military more than the king. Cut and run's motto, "Why do we need the military? As long as we appease our enemies enough they will leave us alone."
35 posted on 08/06/2011 5:16:19 AM PDT by John D
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To: llandres
I’m SO glad he decided not to run on third party ticket, though, as he did in 1988. He’d be a real spoiler and doom us to a second term of BHO for sure

I am hoping he does. He will take many of the king's anti-American, pro-gay, pro-drug, vote. No TRUE American would ever vote for someone who hates America more than the mooslimes do.
36 posted on 08/06/2011 5:24:14 AM PDT by John D
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To: vigilo
We need to wake up to the fraud that is so called conservatism which isn’t conservatism at all.

You need to understand that the vast Republicans are not libertarians and Ron Paul is a libertarian. Because Paul decided to put an (R) by his name because he couldn't get elected dog catcher without being in one of the two major party's does not make him a conservative.

Paul has some good things to say when it comes to economic issues, but his social and foreign policy are simply unacceptable to 95% of conservative voters within the Republican party. You just have to get that through your head.

And another big problem with Paul is that he isn't even helping grow the Republican party by adding libertarians with his views to it. Paul voters tend to be a bunch of college mushheads who don't give a fig about his economic views, they are only voting for him because of his drug legalization and anti-war views (2 of the very policies conservatives oppose). Most Paul voters and supporters are NOT going to vote for the eventual GOP nominee anyway (even if it's a Tea Party conservative like Palin or Bachmann) - and more than half will likely go on to vote for Obama.

37 posted on 08/06/2011 7:32:42 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: right way right

Thank you for a mature, well thought out response! Paulite?


38 posted on 08/06/2011 8:17:05 AM PDT by orthodoxyordeath
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To: Longbow1969
Paul has some good things to say when it comes to economic issues

The problem is, all he does is talk. In all the time he has been in Washington can anyone name ONE thing he has EVER actually accomplished? (Except garner as many earmarks as possible.)

Most Paul voters and supporters are NOT going to vote for the eventual GOP nominee anyway (even if it's a Tea Party conservative like Palin or Bachmann) - and more than half will likely go on to vote for Obama.

That is exactly the reason I hope he decides to run third party. He will definitely siphon off more obama votes than Republican votes. No true Republican could vote for this blame America first surrender monkey.
39 posted on 08/06/2011 8:51:23 AM PDT by John D
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To: John D
The problem is, all he does is talk. In all the time he has been in Washington can anyone name ONE thing he has EVER actually accomplished? (Except garner as many earmarks as possible.)

Sorta like Dennis Kucinich. All political bluster, no political accomplishments.

That is exactly the reason I hope he decides to run third party. He will definitely siphon off more obama votes than Republican votes. No true Republican could vote for this blame America first surrender monkey.

I have a hunch your right. I think Paul would draw more votes from Obama than he would the eventual GOP nominee (which most certainly will not, and will never be, Ron Paul). Paul's base is ignorant college kids who want to smoke dope and protest wars. These are not Republican voters, these are libertarian voters who don't really understand the rest of the libertarian agenda. Nearly every Paul supporter I knew from 2008 ended up voting for Obama. If Paul ran 3rd party at least we'd deprive Hussein of some percentage of the pot smoking, peacenik voters.

40 posted on 08/06/2011 9:12:30 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: orthodoxyordeath
Disregard please , I thought you were a “Paulite.”

Every time one comes on here I, and many others get spammed in my mail box.

I didn't get far enough past what you clipped because your link is bad.

I thought it was an article about the great following the kook has.

41 posted on 08/06/2011 12:46:32 PM PDT by right way right (Put down the remote, and vote!)
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To: right way right

No, no I can’t stand Paul. He’s a nutbag

To whoever posted those pictures, remember, he said he wanted to be distanced from Reagan.


42 posted on 08/06/2011 9:05:16 PM PDT by orthodoxyordeath
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To: Ophiucus

Based upon what Libertarians have stated as their tenents, IMO their political ideology would, if implemented, result in anarchy.


43 posted on 08/06/2011 10:21:08 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: truthfreedom

Meaningless, all of them. I’m sure there are pictures of Reagan with Tip O’Neill too.


44 posted on 08/06/2011 10:23:18 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad
...Rep. Paul is NOT a doctrinare libertarian...

...The same sh!t from the same CINOS that voted for McCain and stood around Nov 08 lookin like someone dropped a turd in their drink, "wwwwhat happened???

...Oh yea, haven't heard anything in constructive dialog from you goofballs but GO PALIN, WWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOO!!!!!!

...Forget it, sorry I wasted my time and bandwidth...

45 posted on 08/06/2011 10:48:25 PM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: gargoyle
R-U-N Paul IS a doctrinare libertarian, your claim not withwstanding. He has stated he wants to legalize all drugs; he's an isolationist; he wants to ban EVERY governmental agency (e.g., FBI, CIA, etc), not just the ones that he believes are unconstitutional; is for eliminating almost all laws that prohibit behaviors he deems best left to the individual to decide upon, etc, etc, etc. His policies would lead to anarchy and chaos on a huge scale. He's a nutjob.

My challenge to you, since you called me a GOOFBALL, is for you to find any posts I have made that embodies your accusaation with respects to Palin. Good luck.

46 posted on 08/06/2011 11:03:48 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: John D

Since you understand that he controls a large bloc of votes, and you believe that his voters won’t vote for any Republican not named Ron Paul, you are hoping that he’s on the ticket as VP, I assume. You can do basic math.


47 posted on 08/06/2011 11:53:39 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: SoldierDad

Reagan and other candidates running this year.

Rick Perry has pictures with Al Gore, I’m sure, from when Rick Perry rabn Al Gore’s TX campaign in 1988 But not with Reagan.

Other candidates might pretend they were with Reagan. Ron Paul was with Reagan.


48 posted on 08/06/2011 11:57:42 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: SoldierDad
... OK, we'll start with "Your" list. He opposes the FEDS War on drugs. He is for the States to decide what drugs to regulate. You tell me, how many drugs are not legal to prescribe to patients for "medical" reasons. OK, one. Heroin. A million others are legally prescribed including Morphine. Isolationist? Because he's for a strong National soverienty, instead of policing and peacekeeping the whole fookin' world? Ban every governmental agency, because he's for limited gov't? That's BS. Almost all laws he deems. Crap! It starts with what's best left to the individual to decide upon, as long as they don't infringe on others rights. Who's going to make the decisions for others, you? Oh, your the expert. I don't thinks so, BUDDY! We have enough chaos and anarchy already. You're probably right, I'll take your word about posts for Palin. Sorry, you were at the end of posters, so I just lumped everyone together to argue with on your name. I do apologize...
49 posted on 08/07/2011 12:10:34 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: truthfreedom
Since you understand that he controls a large bloc of votes, and you believe that his voters won’t vote for any Republican not named Ron Paul, you are hoping that he’s on the ticket as VP,

I have never said he controls a large bloc of votes. He just controls the pro-gay, pro-drug, pro-gay, anti-America bloc.
If he does not run third party I do hope he is on the ticket as VP. As the democrat VP. Like I said no true Republican would vote for a surrender monkey.
50 posted on 08/07/2011 6:53:02 AM PDT by John D
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