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Democrats use science as a weapon
http://toddkinsey.com/blog/2011/08/17/democrats-use-science-as-a-weapon-2/ ^

Posted on 08/17/2011 6:57:10 AM PDT by Todd Kinsey

For the better part of a century, socialists (Democrats) have been using science as a weapon to destroy the very fabric of American society. Today they propagate the global warming myth, forty years ago they were sounding the global cooling alarm, and they’ve used junk science to teach evolution in our nation’s schools.

To the socialist it is somehow easier to believe that aliens put us here or that we emerged from some primordial sludge than it is to believe in God. Socialist leadership, under the guise of “organizing”, use the environment, gay rights, immigration, or any number of causes as a form of religion to keep their unwitting masses in line. Their absence of God, and therefore morality, leaves these desperate souls longing to believe in something. How else can you explain a human being that is willing to risk their life to save a tree or a whale, yet they have no qualms about aborting a baby or assisted suicide?

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Conspiracy; Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: asa; belongsinreligion; democrats; gagdadbob; georgemurphy; globalwarming; morality; onecosmosblog; socialism; toddkinsey
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To: allmendream; metmom

“Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 2 Tim. 3:7.


61 posted on 08/19/2011 3:33:46 PM PDT by smvoice (The Cross was NOT God's Plan B.)
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To: metmom
Well the nice thing about being a creationist is that you never have to let a silly little thing like evidence change your mind.

Being a scientists means that as new facts and better analysis comes in, changing your mind is a necessity.

So yes, wild unwarranted claims in science are exposed and corrected.

Wild unwarranted claims in creationism are embraced. No crackpot idea is too wild eyed crazy for most. Dinosaurs walked with humans! It was YabbaDabbaRiffic!!!!

62 posted on 08/19/2011 3:35:16 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream; metmom
scientists who believe are JUST like demons!

Some maybe worse - demons shudder!
63 posted on 08/19/2011 3:35:44 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

So to you to “become like little children” is to remain ignorant of the natural world?

How about the Pope - does he count as a believer? Or is he outside the “ONE WAY - ONE TRUTH”?


64 posted on 08/19/2011 3:37:51 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: metmom

Well, if you agree with me I am more confident! :-)

Thanks.


65 posted on 08/19/2011 4:18:36 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: belzu2010
"As Haldane pointed out: The moment someone shows me a rabbit fossil from the precambrian, I will cease to believe in evolution. This is how it is: Nothing should be sacred in the pursuit of natural truth."

Never heard of fossil reworking? Out-of-order fossils are found all the time but are explained-away as being reworked. 'Older' fossils into 'younger' beds as well as 'younger' fossils into 'older' beds.

The whole fossil 'record' is simply a mental construct. The precambrian doesn't exist except in people's minds.

66 posted on 08/19/2011 4:20:53 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: metmom
“The less educated someone is the more likely they are to be a creationist.”

Upon examination this cliche’ is found to be:

The more saturated with the materialist philosophies one’s mind is the more difficult it is to see the absurdity of biological “global warming”, evolution theory.

67 posted on 08/19/2011 4:22:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GourmetDan

How about the Earth going around the Sun - does that not exist except in people’s minds?


68 posted on 08/19/2011 4:22:55 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: exDemMom
"The theory of evolution is as fundamental to biological science as the theory of electromagnetism is to physical science."

Evolutionists like to claim this as though it supports their claim. Unfortunately, it's simply the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

Logical fallacy, nothing more...

69 posted on 08/19/2011 4:24:09 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: allmendream
"How about the Earth going around the Sun - does that not exist except in people’s minds?"

“Can we formulate physical laws so that they are valid for all CS [coordinate systems], not only those moving uniformly, but also those moving quite arbitrarily, relative to each other? […] The struggle, so violent in the early days of science, between the views of Ptolemy and Copernicus would then be quite meaningless. Either CS could be used with equal justification. The two sentences: “the sun is at rest and the earth moves” or “the sun moves and the earth is at rest” would simply mean two different conventions concerning two different CS.”

Einstein, A. and Infeld, L. (1938) The Evolution of Physics, p.212 (p.248 in original 1938 ed.); Note: CS = coordinate system

“The relation of the two pictures [geocentricity and heliocentricity] is reduced to a mere coordinate transformation and it is the main tenet of the Einstein theory that any two ways of looking at the world which are related to each other by a coordinate transformation are entirely equivalent from a physical point of view.... Today we cannot say that the Copernican theory is ‘right’ and the Ptolemaic theory ‘wrong’ in any meaningful physical sense.”

Hoyle, Fred. Nicolaus Copernicus. London: Heinemann Educational Books Ltd., 1973.

“...Thus we may return to Ptolemy’s point of view of a ‘motionless earth’...One has to show that the transformed metric can be regarded as produced according to Einstein’s field equations, by distant rotating masses. This has been done by Thirring. He calculated a field due to a rotating, hollow, thick-walled sphere and proved that inside the cavity it behaved as though there were centrifugal and other inertial forces usually attributed to absolute space. Thus from Einstein’s point of view, Ptolemy and Copernicus are equally right.”

Born, Max. “Einstein’s Theory of Relativity”,Dover Publications,1962, pgs 344 & 345:

“People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations,” Ellis argues. “For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations.” Ellis has published a paper on this. “You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.”

Ellis, George, in Scientific American, “Thinking Globally, Acting Universally”, October 1995

70 posted on 08/19/2011 4:27:24 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan

Except that you don’t believe the two are equivalent as conventions or just coordinate systems - you think one view is correct and real and the other is incorrect and only exists in people’s minds, no?

So the Earth going around the Sun, does that only exist in people’s minds?


71 posted on 08/19/2011 4:46:55 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream; presently no screen name

Nobody gives a rip what the pope believes about evolution or states about it. He speaks for himself and Catholicism, not all of Christianity.


72 posted on 08/19/2011 4:54:14 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: allmendream
"Except that you don’t believe the two are equivalent as conventions or just coordinate systems - you think one view is correct and real and the other is incorrect and only exists in people’s minds, no?"

Again,

"... it is the main tenet of the Einstein theory that any two ways of looking at the world which are related to each other by a coordinate transformation are entirely equivalent from a physical point of view.... "

Hoyle, Fred. Nicolaus Copernicus. London: Heinemann Educational Books Ltd., 1973.

"So the Earth going around the Sun, does that only exist in people’s minds?"

Again,

"What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.”

Ellis, George, in Scientific American, “Thinking Globally, Acting Universally”, October 1995

73 posted on 08/19/2011 4:59:41 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
Evolutionists like to claim this as though it supports their claim. Unfortunately, it's simply the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

Logical fallacy, nothing more...

You can disbelieve the importance of the theory of evolution to biological science if you want. I'll still continue to apply its principles to formulate my hypotheses and research methodology.

74 posted on 08/19/2011 5:32:15 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: metmom
The less educated someone is the more likely they are to be a creationist.

Wasn't that a foolish thing to even imagine someone saying!

It is about education.....it's about brainwashing the masses for crying out loud...sheesh.

We know that creation is of God by faith....He instills this within us no doubt to believe what He has spoken to become. By faith we know the world was formed...it's not guesswork...it's "intellect" granted to us to understand this is so. ...which I'll take His word easily over man's limited understanding.

BTW...there's a reason creationism is a target for unbelievers.....design an alternative theory and everything thereafter which is written can be doubted and questioned. Just the same ol' "did God not say" tactic used from the beginning...and the old serpent still seduces the unsuspecting.

75 posted on 08/19/2011 5:37:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Pretty impressive that Satan is still getting mileage out of that lie considering the consequences we’ve seen from the first time it was used.

It goes to show how gullible mankind is.


76 posted on 08/19/2011 5:45:16 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: caww

By stating that creation didn’t happen or that God is not behind it, they are stating that God is a liar.

Kinda gutsy, IMO.


77 posted on 08/19/2011 5:46:40 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Joe 6-pack
A steadily increasing share [of research] is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

That's the new normal. You'd be surprised at how many people assume I work for the government when I tell them I work in a research lab.

78 posted on 08/19/2011 5:51:48 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Rick Perry: Looks like Joe Isuzu, acts like Grant Woods [AZ joke])
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To: metmom
That's because they actually THINK for themselves instead of just swallowing and parroting the party line to keep that peer review panel happy and the research grant dollars flowing.

Well, yeah. It's amazing how much circular reasoning really does go on in scientific circles regarding evolution, along with other logical fallacies. I've actually seen articles where some biologist took two mutually contradictory propositions and used them as evidence to "prove" the same evolutionary claim.

When you're dealing with people who know that X not= Y, but yet argue that X = Z and Y = Z at the same time, what can you really do?

79 posted on 08/19/2011 5:54:44 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("A gentleman considers what is just; a small man considers what is expedient.")
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To: metmom
Pretty impressive that Satan is still getting mileage out of that lie considering the consequences we’ve seen from the first time it was used........It goes to show how gullible mankind is.

Human nature doesn't change apart from God. Unfortunately man still yields ground to the enemy, even when he knows better. His problem is not understanding how the enemy works and for that becomes a willing participant.

Additionally man thinks he'll have the solutions..."Babel"...via is limited intellect. Those solutions come from God when He is ready to give them....too bad we're killing off the babies God intended to give those solutions to.

On that note...one of the reasons our politicians are bringing in so many foreigners and not closing the borders is because so many Americans are killing the babies who would have maintained our population... Less workers mean less revenue going into Gov. so they have to import them now...much to our demise.

80 posted on 08/19/2011 5:55:23 PM PDT by caww
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