Latino group claims Aztlán war in next five years

Examiner.com ^ | Aug 27, 2011 | Miguel Perez

[bayouranger]

Phoenix-based Nuestros Reconquistos claims that there will be a war very similar to the Civil War fought in the next five years. “La Raza and MEChA have already talked to Latinos and Phoenix and explained that Latinos need to arm themselves for war,” says Nuestros Reconquistos President Manuel Longoria.

Cecilia Maldonado of Chicanos Unidos Arizona isn’t hoping for any sort of war, but believes it may be unavoidable. “For generations, our people have prepared us to take back the lands of the Southwest that were stolen from our Mexican ancestors. Because of the bad economy and many racist laws, Latinos will be forced to fight sooner than later,” says Mrs. Maldonado.

[GreenLanternCorps]

The La Raza and MEChA folks are delusional. Period. If they really tried, they might reach the IRA level of terrorist. But that would be their high water mark.

More likely they’d become like the Weathermen or FALN, get a few spectacular attacks in and then spend the rest of the time blowing themselves up trying to build homemade bombs.

All sombrero, no cattle.

[Protoss]

Yep, you’re right in that the vast majority of the moors were kicked out. But, I don’t think they went to Mexico. There was quite a large civilization in Mexico when the Spaniards arrived, and their descendants still live there today. Some have Spanish blood, some don’t. They are generally referred to as “Mestizos” Some are great people, some, unfortunately, are not.

[Ron H.]

I've already fought a war in which I shed my own blood for this country in a foreign land and I took more than my share of enemy lives in that process of protecting this great nation and I will gladly do it again while doing it on my own soil this time again for my own country. I fear no man nor do I fear death for I will visit as much of it as I can still muster on the poor soul who wishes to try and take my land that I've already for so hard for from me.

Sure, tall talk some might say. I once before backed it up in spades when called on and I will do my damnedest to do it again should the need ever arise again. I may old but I'm not infirm, yet.

[DBrow]

The poster I was quoting felt that whites would move away rather than confront. The context was the Wi Fair flashmob, why didn’t the targets band together and fight the mob? That was his answer.

I sort of agree,, I see a lot of people yielding rather than confronting, on lots of fronts not just where race is involved. It’s one reason Alinsky’s Rules work.

[Anima Mundi]

Indeed. Las Vegas doesn’t spring up on the desert because of “the land”. For some reason this never dawns on people who want to “take back “their” land.” Maybe for the same reason that it never occurs to them to build it into a good place in the first place. All they know is to take or destroy what others have made. Same as the Middle East.

[Molon Labbie]

La Raza, MECHA and any other misguided supporters of the Reconquista, Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto speaks from the grave with an admonition you should heed...

“I fear that we have only awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with terrible resolve...”

[Nea Wood]

You are absolutely right. I was thinking the same thing while reading all the tough talk on this thread, but you said it better than I ever could.

[Polybius]

Now “Latina” means something else entirely. Just do a google.com search for that word ~ it does not exactly show you elderly Mexican ladies from the village.

Hi, muawiyah.

The definitions I gave were the definitions used in Spain and in actual Spanish-speaking countries. In my other Internet lives, on historical and cultural forums based in Spain, I am fluent in Castilian and can read and write Gallego, the regional language of Galicia. Unless I specifically identify myself as American, the other forum members assume that I am a Spaniard. I correspond with Spaniards in Spain several times per week.

I know that you have expressed interest in Galicia in the past. If you want to hear Galician spoken, you can stream GALICIA TV at this link.

In the U.S., where a black man whose African ancestors crossed the Atlantic 250 years ago is an "African American" but a white naturalized American born in South Africa with 250 years of Afrikaner ancestry is not, all rhyme or reason goes out the window.

Earlier today, I was browsing a "Chicano" forum where they were discussing the Latino vs Hispanic vs Mexican vs Chicano topic. The discussion was all over the place, almost everybody was totally confused about what anything meant but, most importantly, ...... the forum posts were all in English.

A lot of these so-called "Chicanos" could not carry on a 30 second conversation in Spanish with a real Mexican if their lives depended on it.

Likewise, look at the cover of "Latina Magazine". What do you notice .... besides the girl?

All the articles are in English. :-)

In correct usage in Spain or in a Spanish-speaking country, Salena Gomez or Mark Sanchez of the New York Jets would be called "Latinos" if they actually spoke Spanish (Castellano) or Portuguese or Gallgo or Catalan or French or Italian or any other Romance language. However, neither Salena Gomez nor Mark Sanchez speak Spanish.

In Spain, they would be called, "Estadounidenses de descendencia mexicana con apellidos hispanos: (U.S. citizens of Mexican descent with Spanish surnames.)

[MasterGunner01]

If it comes down to a CW2 scenario, there will be no RoE. The enemy will set the rules and the RoE will be very simple: Kill or be killed. The LaRaza and MECHa folks will not take prisoners and seek to intimidate the population to get their way. Bad mistake. Senseless murder and mayhem spawns groups with training and experience that will specifically target these people.

Think: Pablo Escobar’s war against the Colombian government and his terror war against the Colombian people. This led to the forming of Los Pepes death squads that targeted Escobar’s Medellín drug cartel members. The attrition suffered by the members of Escobar’s cartel greatly weakened his organization's effectiveness and control. In the end, Escobar’s organization was brought down by Los Pepes, rival gangs, the Colombian National Police Search Bloc, Delta Force, and Central Spike.

[GladesGuru]

Thanks for the data dense history of “New mexico”.

The Messicans wanting a race war have forgotten the First Law of Genocide - be in the majority.

[muawiyah]

Probably.

BTW, all the really big circulation magazines in the US that are oriented toward an Hispanic audience are in English. It's all simple economics.

One of my cousins is married to an individual from Galicia.

Going beyond that, I discovered the Galician version of the Annals of the King that underlie the King Arthur, etc. stories.

I was very disappointed to find that the last speaker of the Gaelic of Galicia died in the 1600s ~ it's been replaced with Gallego (which, depending on whether you liked Franco or disliked him, is usually contrasted to Portuguese or Spanish).

Interesting that you can deal with that language ~ kind of like discovering Ladino for the first time ~ WOW, Latin with a Hebrew accent ~ but that gave the source of the various occupational names so many Jews still use today (which is of interest in genealogy of nothing else).

For what it's worth I was able to pass as a Canadian for quite some time on an early Franco/Breton discussion board ~ simply by using an English/French computer translation program. So much for French eh?!

Today I've tracked the ancestors all the way from the Danube to the Black Sea to various points along the Mediterranean to Spain (to Galicia in fact), and from there to Scota (now Ireland), to Britain (now Alba and England), and from there to Brittany, to the Rhone Valley and finally to Sweden ~ and from there the big leap to America!

It was a heck of a way to study genealogy, and I had to brush up on every language I'd studied in the slightest ~ but thanks to on-line translators my only concern now are the ideomatic expressions.

I'm putting you down on my Galicia, Spain and Gallego memory bank chart.

[muawiyah]

And let’s hear it for the internet’s Latinas ~ they do their part!

[muawiyah]

Just looking up an article on the matter and it seems the DNA (y chromosome and mtDNA) studies leave quandries and confusion.

I think they forgot about the Japanese immigrants of the 13th century.

They should take a darned good look at the Salvadorans as well ~ bunch of them could disappear on the streets of Tokyo!

[GladesGuru]

“soooo...you are saying mexicans are just spanish speaking christianized moors?”

I’d describe Messicans as a mixture of Spanish (Christians with lots of Moslim patterns acquired during 700 years of dhimmitude) and Central American Indian cultures.

Never forget the cannibal part of the Indian cultures.

[Polybius]

BTW, all the really big circulation magazines in the US that are oriented toward an Hispanic audience are in English. It's all simple economics.

That depends on the generation. The first generation women swear by magazines such as "Vanidades".

One of my cousins is married to an individual from Galicia.

The vast majority of the branches in my family tree come from northern Galicia and western Asturias.

I was very disappointed to find that the last speaker of the Gaelic of Galicia died in the 1600s ~ it's been replaced with Gallego (which, depending on whether you liked Franco or disliked him, is usually contrasted to Portuguese or Spanish). ....Interesting that you can deal with that language ~ kind of like discovering Ladino for the first time ~ WOW, Latin with a Hebrew accent ~ but

Any Gaelic speaker probably lived in some hidden valley where it was able to survive since Latin came in at the end of the Cantabrian Wars at the time of Augustus.

Gallego is the mother tongue of Portuguese as the Reconquista of Portugal preceded south from Galicia.

Both my paternal and maternal great-grandfathers spoke Gallego (the maternal one got his law degree at the University of Santiago de Compostela in 1876) but the language was lost after one generation in Cuba. I started to pick it up again in 1995, when the Internet made access to Galician forums possible. It was difficult at first but, after reading it for so long, I now sometimes do not even notice if I am reading Castilian or Galician on a forum post.

Once I learned Gallego, I came across Portuguese and realized that it was almost the same as Gallego. So, Gallego is defintively closer to Portuguese than to Castilian.

I discovered Ladino, accidentally, in the Tom Hanks movie, "Every time we say goodbye". Although not Jewish, out of curiosity, I studied that too. You can read Ladino posts on the Yahoo group Ladinokomunitas. It is fascinating to be able to understand the posts of Sephardi Israelis whose ancestors left Spain 500 years ago.

Today I've tracked the ancestors all the way from the Danube to the Black Sea to various points along the Mediterranean to Spain (to Galicia in fact), .... I'm putting you down on my Galicia, Spain and Gallego memory bank chart.

Maybe we are cousins 17 times removed. ;-)

Below is a YouTube link to a traditional Galician group playing a muiñeira (jig) with the gaita (Galician bagpipe), drum and strings.

Muiñeira de Chantada

[Razz Barry]

“For generations, our people have prepared us to take back the lands of the Southwest that were stolen from our Mexican ancestors.

The United States did not steal the Southwest. We kicked Mexican butt all the way to Mexico City. Then, were kind enough to pay Mexico millions of dollars, and let them keep what is now Northern Mexico. Those who OWNED the land KEPT the land. The citizens of the Southwest were happy we did it, as Mexico could/would not protect them from the native Americans, who's butts everyone kicked to take the land. Sorry, it's just the natural order of things.

[Little Ray]

So we’re going after their women and kids?
‘Cause you know they’ll be coming after ours.

[Little Ray]

And how do we sort them?

[bayouranger]

Thanks for your service.

[Tainan]

Kansas?