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How to Hide ‘Treasure’ just in case…….

Posted on 09/02/2011 3:40:05 PM PDT by E Tor

How to Hide ‘Treasure’ just in case…….

Everyone has at least some metallic items they would like to hide away some place for safekeeping. Some are just round precious metal objects, others are hand held items and still others are long pieces.

Some will say that the time to hide away these items is really the time to bring them out. And while there is a bit of truth to that, it is still wise to have back up items if the need should arise.

Introduction

The best method to determine how to hide something is to take the viewpoint of those that would be looking for “Treasure.” Someone looking to find what has been hidden away would most likely look at each one’s personal situation.

You and the search for your treasure.

What type of property do you have?

Do you have a lot of property or do you live in the city? [Note: The ownership of your property is a matter of public record]

What type of dwelling do you have? Does it have hide-a-way places like basements or crawlspaces?

Do you have relatives or friends nearby that could hide things for you?

Do you own any raw land or rent storage space?

These are all questions that someone looking for your treasure would ask at the beginning of their search to figure out how many options you have to stash things away. Obviously the more options you have the better off you will be. Fewer options location-wise can make it easier for them by narrowing down their search.

Search methods.

Once someone has determined where one might keep their stuff, the next step will be to directly search for it. One has to examine any possible search methods to develop strategies to keep things hidden away.

Searches may simply use their eyes to look for disturbed earth or other indications or resort to some specialty tools. Any search could use any of these methods so it is important that considerations are made for all of them.

Metal detectors.

Metal detectors operate on the basic principle of electromagnetic induction. A quick search on the web will yield some good overview articles on the subject and put one in good stead on what they face.

Most detectors can distinguish between ferrous and non-ferrous materials, so it’s important that a mix of both types are used, or at least that one uses similar metals. Ferrous metals for ferrous treasure vice-versa for non-ferrous.

If most of the treasure items are made of metal, there are really only two ways of avoiding this search method. That would be placing these items out of reach or having sufficient extraneous metal items in the area to render this method useless.

Since it is difficult to know the detection range of this search method, by default the is only one method to keep items safe from prying induction.

It would be best to borrow the concept of defense in depth here – instead of having one size and one type of extraneous material; it would be preferable to have different sizes and types of these materials.

The first type would be small metallic objects that can be spread around the area as a way of masking the true treasure. Small so it is nearly impossible for a potential searcher to sufficiently extract them from the search area, but large enough to be picked up by the detector. While some detectors can filter out junk signals from individual pieces, a fair number of pieces will at least serve to collectively confuse the issue. This is also one of the easiest things to implement – all that is required are metallic bits and they just need to be thrown or scattered about the area that is to be masked.

These pieces could just be small metallic objects that are cheap and plentiful such as small bit of hardware like nuts and bolts, brass, bottle caps, and small bits of wire.

The next type are medium to large sized pieces that will throw off the search – pieces of junk, old cans of various metallic composition, etc. While these objects may be large enough to be extracted, they will still bog down the search and protect the treasure.

The final type would be ‘Simulated’ treasure – items big enough to arouse interest by both metal and ground penetrating radar searches.

The likelyhood is that treasure will be hidden in certain types of containers – long boxes or pipes could be simulated by similar long boxes or pipes of the same size, shape, and material.

These simulates need to be filled with metallic objects to look and act like the real thing.

Canine search.

Several sources have mentioned that dogs that are trained to search for specialty objects, hence this are being included in this paper.

We can only speculate on what exactly these dogs are searching for. But, the best guess would that they are either following a trail someone would take to their cache or they are searching for the gases and such emanating from the cache.

Canines have an incredible sense of smell, some K-9’s can distinguish between members of the same family and can pick up a trail that is days old. A person gives off a scent every minute of the day for they’re entire life so there is really no practical and sure way of throwing off this type of search.

We’ve already discussed the tracking of a person to their treasure – again if this is on their property or a place where they normally hang out, their scent will be in the area so it won’t be that unusual and therefore may not be as useful to the treasure hunters.

Timing is everything here – if one can sequester their treasure and leave it alone for at least several days it will be difficult for canine searchers to track to the cache. Especially if it’s in an area they normally occupy. The strategy here would be to hide the cache and then make it habit to walk around in the area to saturate it with their scent.

In the case of having to suddenly stash in their cache it would be best to have been present in the area ahead of time to throw things off in the case of a search.

As for the canines tracking the various components of a treasure, most likely as with the metal detectors the best thing to do would be to scatter about similarly scented items to make it difficult to find the actual treasure. These could be times that have a similar chemical nature to make it difficult to ‘sniff out’ they cache.

Ground penetrating radar

The last method they may use would be some form of ground penetrating radar. This method would be very slow, so it stands to reason that someone using this form would wish to narrow down the search area. The methods here would be similar to keeping things safe from the other methods – widening out the potential search area and having other objects to confuse the issue. These similar objects would be pieces that would look like the search item on the display screen of the ground penetrating radar. These could be scraps of pipe or boxes that are set out under ground that would muddy the water so to speak.

Where to hide things Inside a home or other structure

Here the key is to look for voids or areas in a dwelling that are normally hollow and could contain hidden ‘gems’ in a structure or in movable objects.

False walls and floors could be created but these can be found out with simple measuring tools and making them is just extra unnecessary work when these spaces are already present.

The options will depend on the item size and the amount of accessibility to these items desired

Basement: the floors and walls of in a basement will not normally contain any hollow spaces but cutting into the basement floor and creating a space here is an option.

Crawl spaces normally do not have floors so burying something there would work

There are also small hollow spaces in cinderblock, but the size and accessibility can be a factor here.

Now, the basement ceiling presents several options – they have naturally have spaces between the joists, there is structure around these spaces to provide support and there is a great deal of this space present in you home making a lot less obvious where your items may be. Heating and cooling ducts are a good choice as long as one beefs up the supporting external structure and contained to keep out moisture dust etc. for the items.

First and second floors as with the basement, the floors and walls will have normal hollow spaces in which to stealthy ensconce items, in the case of walls the big factor will be access – this will entail the need to open up the wall and then be able to close it up some it isn’t obvious there is an opening.

Finally there is the attic – almost and inverted versions of the basement – again the floor would provide some good hiding places. One factor here would be the lack of climate control.

Outside and Above ground

As with other areas, the priority is to find storage locations that have the space to hide the items and yet not be out of place so that they attract attention to themselves.

The concepts on hollow spaces in floors, walls, and ceiling of a house are equally applicable to sheds and other out buildings. The best way to find a hiding spaces in other places it to apply the same idea of finding hollow spaces that aren’t out of place like certain types of fence posts or the obvious choice in this regard – hollow trees.

One last note that hidden treasure is useless if it can’t be found again – so plans have to be made to find it again. There are multiple ways of doing this ranging from simply memorizing these locations to developing coded phrases such as mnemonic devices. A plain text treasure map would most likely not be a good idea for obvious reasons.


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1 posted on 09/02/2011 3:40:10 PM PDT by E Tor
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To: E Tor

2 posted on 09/02/2011 3:47:02 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: E Tor

A robber who is serious would grab your kid or your wife, and you would soon talk.


3 posted on 09/02/2011 3:47:02 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: E Tor

Repost: (+) THE ART OF THE (WEAPONS) CACHE (+)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1735279/posts


4 posted on 09/02/2011 3:47:13 PM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: E Tor

Sorry, but ask the Jews in 30s-40s Germany how all that “hiding the jewels” went. If they want your gold, they’ll pull out your teeth and comb through the wreckage of your burnt body to find it.

The only metal worth having if the SHTF is lead, and the means to propel it down range.

Sorry to be Debbie Downer here, but absent the rule of law, the only law is Colt or Smith & Wessen...


5 posted on 09/02/2011 3:47:41 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: E Tor

OK, now everyone post their favorite hiding places. Also tell us where you live, LOL.


6 posted on 09/02/2011 3:47:45 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: keats5

I live in NW Louisiana, but, tragically lost all weaponry, and precious goods in a boating accident.


7 posted on 09/02/2011 3:55:13 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

ROFLMFAO!


8 posted on 09/02/2011 3:55:45 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: E Tor; All

I found this to be of interest and would work for more than guns:

“Bury a gun and ammo
for 15 years
(and be assured everything still works when you dig it up)

By Charles Wood”

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/wood115.html


9 posted on 09/02/2011 3:56:51 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: SgtBob

“I live in NW Louisiana, but, tragically lost all weaponry, and precious goods in a boating accident.”

Haven’t we all.


10 posted on 09/02/2011 3:59:13 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: SgtBob

Same danged thing happened to me here in Idaho.


11 posted on 09/02/2011 4:00:48 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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To: E Tor

And then, in about 100 years, somebody will purchase the wreck of your home, remodel it, find your stash and feature your home on the 22nd century version of “If Walls Could Talk” where everybody will comment on what you hid and why you hid it!


12 posted on 09/02/2011 4:03:24 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SgtBob

That bodcaw bayou ( all two feet deep of it ) has a lot of ‘boating accidents’

If you want to get to deeper water use the mill ponds over by Springhill

;-)


13 posted on 09/02/2011 4:17:34 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: E Tor

14 posted on 09/02/2011 4:25:17 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: keats5
Why not geocache your gold in the middle of nowhere with gps coordinates? Assuming that there will still be satellites....
15 posted on 09/02/2011 4:27:12 PM PDT by WMarshal (Where is the next Sam Adams?)
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To: SgtBob

I retired to the high mountains of the ‘American Redoubt’ where there are unlimited cache spots. No boating accidents yet but I do have a ‘few things’ cached deep down on private forrested property in the appropriate style containers. James Wesley Rawle’s site, Survivalblog.com, has quite a bit of info on this subject and many others also. Give ‘im a look if you haven’t already.


16 posted on 09/02/2011 4:31:10 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: keats5
OK, now everyone post their favorite hiding places.

Septic tank. You're welcome to go diving for treasure.

17 posted on 09/02/2011 4:41:30 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Blueflag

Bodceau took ever’ durn thing I held dear but couldn’t drown a sorry arse retriever. LOL!


18 posted on 09/02/2011 4:56:47 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: E Tor
Dilbert covered this about a month ago.

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-07-31/

Don't tell your coworkers your survival plans.

19 posted on 09/02/2011 4:58:00 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Due to the earthquake the president has officially implemented Rule 18-1.)
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To: SgtBob

your boat has a hole in it too???


20 posted on 09/02/2011 6:39:10 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: E Tor

All of my “treasure” was lost in a bizarre gardening accident.


21 posted on 09/02/2011 6:45:50 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
A robber who is serious would grab your kid or your wife, and you would soon talk.

That is why you keep two stashes. One you will give up if forced too.

22 posted on 09/02/2011 7:03:33 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: E Tor

The battle has to happen before they can search, so why hide?


23 posted on 09/02/2011 7:19:00 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

It’s a no win situation. If heaven forbid in the extremely unlikely scenario where all civil order broke down and it became every man for themselves, every military and law enforcement armory in the country would be emptied out in hours or days.

There would be individuals and groups of trained armed ex-soldiers or police living off the land for their survival and lots of them. Some of them would be good, some of them would be bad. Does anybody in their right mind think that they could survive a contest armed with civilian weaponry against guys who likely will be armed to the teeth with stuff that makes Colt or Smith & Wesson look like kids toys ? Guys who are trained in how to use those arms and small unit combat tactics.

I am not even talking about organized crime gangs who we already know have stockpiles of military grade weaponry squirreled away for future use. They are dangerous enough but not nearly so much as a highly trained soldier.

You might get lucky and waste one or two of them who are coming to get your “stuff” but I hate to say it, if it is a group of them working in concert with each other, they are going to snuff almost any civilian’s a** and hardly break a sweat doing it.

All that having been said. I wouldn’t worry about it since for various reasons a Mad Max scenario here in the US is about as likely as me winning the Powerball jackpot.


24 posted on 09/02/2011 8:15:33 PM PDT by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: E Tor

And make sure you tell someone you trust where it all is! My mom hid her jewelry in the house, then died fairly suddenly. It took a couple of years for my dad to find it.


25 posted on 09/02/2011 11:45:01 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ("And I'm actually happy to be, for us to be the moat with alligators party." -- Mark Steyn)
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To: XRdsRev

I have no problem putting my faith in the men and women of the armed forces. I think they have the values and love of country that I do (and you).

My problem will be with local, unionized LEOs, many of whom are fine people but many more of whom are nothing more than badge toting thugs who will use their power (including militarized SWAT training) to make our lives miserable.

Hopefully, it won’t come to that. But with Dumb0 doing everything in his power to incite race riots before the 2012 elections, I’m going to try to hold out until the real cavalry arrives.


26 posted on 09/02/2011 11:52:03 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: XRdsRev

My Indian Ancestors managed to do pretty well.

Just sayin’. ;)


27 posted on 09/03/2011 12:50:40 AM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: keats5

I think hiding a cache in the dirt deep down about 5 feet behind the shed near the oaks trees...wait...are you sure you won’t be telling anybody about this?


28 posted on 09/03/2011 3:19:38 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: XRdsRev; All
Does anybody in their right mind think that they could survive a contest armed with civilian weaponry against guys who likely will be armed to the teeth with stuff that makes Colt or Smith & Wesson look like kids toys ? Guys who are trained in how to use those arms and small unit combat tactics.

Yes. They are not the only ones trained. Americans would self organize into local militias very rapidly. Bands of looters would quickly be destroyed, executed or run off. The only way to stop this would be for the U.S. military to restore order enough to make it unnecessary.

29 posted on 09/05/2011 9:28:30 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain

I wonder if theyve seen some of my country boy friends who can hike eight or nine miles into some of the thickest brush in southern WV and climb to the top of a tree stand to await a large buck? If they had a bolt action 30-06 and a good hiding place he could make short work of a six man patrol of national guardsmen.

Unless theyre prepared to turn loose apache helicopters on American citizens there’s no way they can beat us quickly.


30 posted on 09/05/2011 10:48:54 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

>A robber who is serious would grab your kid or your wife, and you would soon talk

I’m thinking the robbers in question here wear uniforms.


31 posted on 09/05/2011 5:21:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

cue “Sundown at Coffin Rock” by Raymond K Paden.


32 posted on 09/06/2011 10:26:06 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: WMarshal

yup, assuming that there will still be satellites ...
and that the GPS signals are reliable ...


33 posted on 09/06/2011 10:31:25 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: JoeProBono

Love your tag.


34 posted on 03/02/2013 6:09:48 PM PST by stilloftyhenight
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To: SgtBob

GPS coordinates for the accident, please!


35 posted on 03/02/2013 8:42:24 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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