Skip to comments.Ron Paul Can Win
Posted on 09/22/2011 5:39:45 AM PDT by Vintage Freeper
Its hard to tell if the idea that Ron Paul cannot win in 2012 is more ignorant, in its complete lack of historical sophistication, or more arrogant, in its claim to certainty amid all the complexity of 300 million lives and the myriad issues that affect them.
Sometimes, perhaps once in a few generations, a nation can undergo what a mathematician or physicist would call a phase change. The classic example of such a thing is a pile of sand. Every grain you add makes the pile slightly steeper and slightly higher without moving any of the other grains inside the pile, until eventually one grain is added that causes an avalanche of sand down the sides of the pile, moving thousand of grains and changing the shape of the pile.
Such behavior can be exhibited by all complex systems, and a nation it should be obvious is much more complex than a pile of sand.
The important point for those who would presume to make such grand predictions as Dr. Paul cannot win is that no examination of the pile of sand before the point of avalanche would tell you that, or when, the avalanche will eventually happen.
But happen it does; indeed, happen it must.
And there are numerous examples of abrupt and dramatic phase change in the politics of great nations.
The U.K., the country of my birth, provides a compelling and closely relevant example. As every schoolboy knows, Churchill led Britain to victory in the Second World War. Indeed, he did as much as any man on Earth ever has to save civilization as we know it.
Three months after the entire nation poured into the streets to cheer this great leader (the man a few years ago voted by Britons the greatest Briton of all time), Churchill went to the country in a general election to retain his position as prime minister. There was simply no way he could lose. The best slogan the Labour party, his opposition, could come up with was, Cheer Churchill. Vote Labour.
And amazingly, that is exactly what the nation did. Churchill was defeated. No one anywhere including the people of Britain who voted in the election had even thought about the possibility. No newspaper had considered it. After all, the election was a foregone conclusion in Churchills favor. And yet an unseen, perhaps unconscious, will of the people caused a cultural and political phase-change in the British nation that they neither knew they wanted nor knew they had the power to cause.
Many historians now say that the unseen sentiment that produced this result that shocked not just the British but the whole world was the idea that all the blood and treasure lost to maintain the freedom of the British empire and the Western world demanded something more than continuation of the old political settlement. After a huge crisis, the people wanted a whole new system. In 1945, the Labour Party, with its vision of state-delivered cradle-to-grave security of health and basic material well-being (welfare state), in some way met that national desire for a grand political change.
Following what was in fact a landslide victory for the Labour party, the character of the nation changed massively, and more change rapidly followed in the British identity, as an empire was lost and the mantle of the worlds greatest power was handed to the U.S.A.
Those who have noted that one of Ron Pauls greatest qualities is his humility might also be interested to know that Churchill had put down Clement Attlee, who defeated him, with the words, A modest little man, with much to be modest about.
Perhaps a more fanciful comparison, but nonetheless indicative: no one in China was predicting that the Long March of Mao, which began in defeat and despair, would end in Beijing with victory and the proclamation of a whole new nation under a whole new political system.
And which newspapers were pondering the possibility of the First World War just a month before it happened?
We cannot see past a phase change. I dont know if the U.S.A. will have undergone one at the time of the 2012 election, but the necessary conditions for one are all in place, as far as I can tell.
One has to reach back a good way in American history for a time of such rapidly rising sentiment that not only are our leaders unable even to think of real solutions to the problems of greatest concern (rather than just making expedient changes at the margin), but also that the prevailing political and economic system is structurally incapable of delivering any long-term solutions in its current form.
The sheer range and interconnectedness of the problems that the nation faces are such that any permanent solution to any one of them will require profound systemic change that will necessarily upset many economic, political and cultural equilibria. And that is nothing more than a definition of a national phase change.
The average American may not know what is to be done, but she can sense when the system has exhausted all its possibilities. At that point, not only does the phase change become reasonable; it becomes desirable even if what lies on the other side cannot be known.
As anyone can find out just by talking to a broad cross-section of Ron Pauls supporters, his base is not uniform in its agreement on the standard issues of typical American party-political conflict. In fact, Paul supporters vary significantly even in their views of what in the old left-right paradigm were the wedge-issues. Rather, they are united around concepts that could almost be called meta-political: whether left and right really exist, and, if they do, whether they are really opposed; whether centralized government should even be the main vehicle for political change, etc.; and whether there are some principles that should be held sacrosanct for long-term benefit, even when they will hurt in the short-run.
For those with eyes to see, such realignments and re-prioritization may even be glimpses of America after its next phase change.
If Ron Paul has committed support from 10 percent of the adult population, and most of that 10 percent support him precisely because they believe he represents a whole new political system, an entirely new political settlement, then we may be close to critical mass just a few grains of sand short of the avalanche.
Another piece of evidence that the nation is close to a phase change and a gestalt switch is the very fact that the prevailing paradigm (from which the mainstream media, established political class, etc., operate) has to ignore huge amounts of data about Ron Paul and the movement around him to continue to make any sense. The studied neglect of data as irrelevant is invariably indicative that the neglected data are hugely important. If information doesnt really matter, why go to all the effort of ignoring it?
Specifically, on all the metrics that a year ago everyone accepted as useful indicators of political standing, Ron Paul is not just a front-runner but a strong one.
First, and most directly, he does extremely well in polls. The organization of his grassroots support is not just excellent; it is remarkable, by historic and global measures. His ability to raise money from actual voters is second to none. His appeal to independents and swing voters is an order of magnitude greater than that of his competitors. Secondarily, he has more support from military personnel than all other candidates put together, if measured by donations; he has the most consistent voting record; he has the magical quality of not coming off as a politician; he oozes integrity and authenticity, and, as far as we know, he has a personal life and marriage that reflects deep stability and commitment.
To believe that Ron Pauls victory is a long shot in spite of all standard indicators that directly contradict this claim is to throw out all norms with which we follow our nations politics and that is a huge thing to do. The only way it can be done honestly is to present another set of contradictory reasons or metrics that are collectively more powerful than all those that you are rejecting. I am yet to find them.
If it is true that the studied neglect of data to hold tight to a paradigm is the best evidence that the paradigm is about to collapse, then the massive and highly subjective neglect of all things Paulian is specific evidence that the country is moving in Pauls direction.
Of course, none of this means that Paul will definitely win. But it does mean that a bet against him by a politician is foolhardy and by a journalist is dishonest.
It is worth returning to Churchills career for an even more delicious example: just days before he became the great wartime leader, his career had been written off as that of a kook, and he was being discussed as someone who had extreme ideas and whose thinking did not reflect the mood of the nation. The House of Commons was abuzz with his decline and imminent fall.
And then, rather suddenly, something he had been saying for many years that there was something rotten in the state of Germany became so obvious that it could no longer be avoided. Once the nation saw that he had been right all along, he became the leader of the free world in very short order. His career changed. Britain changed. The world changed. No one had seen that coming, either. In fact, everyone thought they knew what was coming: the kook was about to disappear into political backwaters, if not the political wilderness.
Do I even need to draw the parallel?
If Paul wins, it wont be because he is the kind of candidate Americans have always gone for. It will be precisely because Americans have collectively decided on a dramatically new way of doing business a new political and economic paradigm and then hell not only have ceased to be a long shot; hell be the only shot.
Common man does not speculate about the great problems. With regard to them he relies upon other people's authority, he behaves as "every decent fellow must behave," he is like a sheep in the herd. It is precisely this intellectual inertia that characterizes a man as a common man. Yet the common man does choose. He chooses to adopt traditional patterns or patterns adopted by other people because he is convinced that this procedure is best fitted to achieve his own welfare. And he is ready to change his ideology and consequently his mode of action whenever he becomes convinced that this would better serve his own interests."
Paul is a kook.
LOL, more slobbering Paul worship BS.
Stupid move for Republicans, and Obama is in trouble with the Jewish vote.
Why would anyone want for the pervert Paul to win? He is a phony Constitutionalist and a Code Pink loser.
If we believe in unicorns, they will exist.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but he can win the Straw Poll at the Seattle Hemp Fest - but that’s about it. In the general election he will come in at about 1.2% of the vote, and most of those are from the anti-war Left.
If all the other Republicans and the Democrats drop out or die, then maybe. But it'd be close.
The reason Paul studied OB/GYN is that’s the only way a geek like him would get a peek at a nekkid woman.
Win what? Libertarian straw poll?
Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt.
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Send a check or money order to me and I’ll have it shipped to you at my expense.
And this you like?
Ron Paul says he’d consider putting Dennis Kucinich in his Cabinet
No, he can’t, for one very simple reason: he is too short and unattractive.
In this day of television, height and looks win every time. There are no exceptions.
If that happened, Paul would still have a serious challenge from people writing in Pat Paulsen as well as the LaRouche kids.
If Paul wins, it will be because he bought the voting machines or the American public lost what little remains of their sanity.
Hmmm... the same Robin Koerner that wrote in the Huffington Post that Paul is a ‘Champion of Liberalism’?
Typical Paul-Speak, being all things to all people.
Someone is far too delusional.
Besides, watershed events are just as likely to go against us, as the author's example of Churchill proves. I, for one, don't look forward to them. The reality on the ground is that Ron Paul won't win in 2012 and probably never will. We'll see Hillary Clinton first.
Beam me up, Scottie...
Time to lay off the pipe.
Ron Paul = Ross Perot = 4 more years of a Democrat president
I don’t mind the Paul supporters, but the Democrats who keep pushing Paul to split the Republican vote are skunks.
That was one of the greatest lines from one of the greatest scenes in movie history.
The prior reply set the stage for introducing a relevant quote. "I suppose if Barack Obama could be elected then anything is possible.."
The following quote is attributed to Churchill whose election was the prototype illustration used for describing a paradigm change: "America will always do the right thing, but only after exhausting all other options."
The real point that most people miss or fail to see is that the United States is at the end of an epoch. Since 1912, the US has been becoming more socialistic and more democratic. There are a couple of quotes from the Founders that touch on the current state of affairs in America:
Unbelieveable changes are coming to the United States, probably sooner rather than later. These changes will be both economic and political. If Mises is right, we may follow someone who understands what is correct, Ron Paul, or some other alternative.
History has not been kind to nations in our present status. We can only hope that Churchill proves to be correct, "America will always do the right thing...", because all the other options have already been exhausted.
Ron Paul says he’d consider putting Dennis Kucinich in his Cabinet
September 21, 2011
Where’s the TinFoil hat photo.......??
SO that’s what a Paulestinian suicide bomber looks like?
It’s a reall shame she couldn’t have been detected and deprogrammed before blowing herself up.
Now there’s a huge mess all over the internet that’ll take pressing a small X to clean up. Such a needless waste of electrons.
I would be more optimistic if there were more citizens of the USA that were capable of reasoning. There aren’t enough of them.
Heinlein was of the opinion that we must expand the species beyond earth. His reasoning was that the people that had the nerve to pack it up and move to another continent had a great impact on cleansing the gene pool for the new country. Few of the infirm, timid and weak ever made the trip. The smartest and most capable emigrated.
If not space, at least colonize the oceans.
Someone who says he’d put Dennis Kucinich in his cabinet is not right in the head.
You say all that as though you think Paul is the answer- he is not. Paul is no champion of the Constitution or Conservatism- no matter how many times his followers repeat that lie over and over. He is just another old career politician.
Paul is no Conservative- he is a moderate libertarian.
Paul is no non-interventionist- he has no problem as a representative of the US government going to Iran’s state media and denouncing both the US and countries of whom we have binding defense treaties with.
Paul is no economic champion- as chairman of the house monetary policy (ie the catbird seat) he has done nothing about any of the economic issues he claims to lead. At that, he sabotaged his own end the fed movement. He also believes in and uses the earmark process more than most- the most unConstitutional way of spending there is. Add to that, the ‘never voting for a tax increase’ is also bull. Just this past December he voted for Pelosi’s tax hike bill.
I can keep going and going but here, very few are fooled. He is to the Constitution in the same way Fred Phelps is to the Bible and his followers seem to act the same as Phelps’ followers.
The Ron Paul / Ralph Nader 2012 dream team!!!!
Ron Paul for President
Ralph Nader for Vice-President
White House Chief of Staff ~ Robert KKK Byrd (channeled by John Edward)
United States Ambassador to the United Federation of Planets ~ Dennis Kookcinich
Attorney General ~ Alex Jones
Secretary of State ~ Cynthia Mckinney
Secretary of Education ~ Weird Al Yankovic
Secretary of Defense ~ none (position cut)
It is always the same delusional types hanging those signs etc.
kook paul is just a vote splitter.
It is more serious than that: Ron Paul is a NUT!
And I can swim underwater across the Pacific Ocean from San Francisco to Shanghai in less than an hour.
Paul want legalized prostitution and legalized drugs.
That should strike him out right there.
Otherwise, not so likely.
Yeah, and Mad Dog 20/20 is vintage aged wine.
"Two percent of people think. Three percent of people think they think. The other ninety-five percent of people would rather die than think." George Bernard Shaw
"Only very few men have the gift of thinking new and original ideas and of changing the traditional body of creeds and doctrines. Common man does not speculate about the great problems. With regard to them he relies upon other people's authority, he behaves as "every decent fellow must behave," he is like a sheep in the herd. It is precisely this intellectual inertia that characterizes a man as a common man." Ludwig von Mises
The inmates are already running the asylum, and have been since the 1912 election. President Reagan is arguably the only exception. That's part of the problem. Trend change is coming soon. The question is really are we going to be wise enough to recognize that we have been following the wrong stars, and who are the would-be leaders that recognized the solutions we should have adopted long ago.
Here dude, watch this. It may help.
True, but you do not fix crazy with a heaping dose of more-crazy.
Ron Paul needs velcro on the soles of his shoes to prevent him from drifting into space.
How does that make him a libertarian?
Regrading his "blame America" foreign policy stances, how does that make him a Conservative or Republican?
This country was founded on laws decended from God, yet just about every Ron Paul drone I read about or meet have a very unhealthy fawning worship of Ron Paul as if they were the loyalists who fawned over King George.
No man is worth that much worship.
Traditional Republican leaders, including many that are considered very conservative, have generally failed to stem the tide of socialism that Democrats have imposed us. Nor have they turned away from Keynesian economics.
Like every other man, Paul is imperfect. But he has remained truer to freedom, Austrian economics, and the political agenda that is closest to what the country has needed for a very long time. The author is predicting that if the unthinkable happens, people might well turn to Paul who has been closest to the voice of reason for the longest period of time.
The article is predicting a paradigm change. The truth is that it is an easy prediction to make. Socialism is an economic system that has failed every time it has been tried and will predictably fail every time it is tried in the future, because it contradicts logic and natural economic principles. Since no one can possibly make it work, the only variable is when will it fail and on whose watch. Rogoff's and Rheinhart's book, "It's Different This Time", tells us that it is already almost inevitable for the US, but that predicting the time of the end or the particular "ending" is outside the scope of current knowledge.
If the end and ending are unpredictable, then it is not possible to determine when we have reached or gone beyond the point of no return until after the fact and it's too late. That should be beyond being acceptable to anyone who frequents FreeRepublic.
As an incurable optimist, I believe that it is not too late and that We the people can take charge and alter the outcome to something more favorable. Could there be a Renaissance in our future? Absolutely.
Invite your friends and see how a small group of people believes it can be done. By all means, feel free to show us how the plan we are putting forward can be improved. Ronald Reagan said, ""We have come to a time for choosing; we will preserve for our children this the last best hope for man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness.....history will record with the greatest astonishment that those who had the most to lose did the least to prevent its happening."
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