Posted on 09/23/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
THE TRUTH FOUND A VOICE IN RICK PERRY
FoxNews-Google GOP Primary Debate [September 22, 2011] Gov. Rick Perry: [snip] ………If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought there, through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society. I think that's what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature, when this issue came up -- only four dissenting votes. This was a state issue. Texas voted on it. And I still support it greatly. [end] Texas Gov. Rick Perry responding to a question by Chris Wallace
Gov. Rick Perry has stated (for years) that the U.S. border with Mexico must be sealed. He has requested assistance (many people on the ground and drones in the air for Intel – he has studied how this is done in Israel). As Governor of Texas, he has been rebuked in person by the current president, who refuses his pleas for the Federal government to do its duty and provide the necessary means by which to seal our country’s international border with Mexico. The governor’s written requests go unheeded.
Texas spends hundreds of millions of dollars of state money to defend its border with Mexico. An elite Texas Ranger unit, put together by Perry, is working to hold the line on our border. Rick Perry has stated that fences do work in urban areas but are not effective, let alone feasible, along the 2000 mile Mexico - U.S. border (1200 miles in Texas alone). The Federal government ignores this problem, while at the same time blaming and punishing border governors when they try to protect their states. People in other states, without understanding the facts, blame border governors when this federally manufactured problem spreads into their states.
President Obama believes security is just fine on the border (better in fact than before he took office) and frankly, he’s following past examples where foreigners are allowed to cross into the U.S., where those with work visas are allowed to slip into U.S. society without any earnest, federal or court action to prevent it, where states are not allowed to ask children their legal status before attending school, where healthcare is accessible to everyone and where federal “social justice” programs have been put into place, thus beginning the progressive process of teaching new generations that it is “normal” to be dependent on government largess. [funded by those “more fortunate” Americans]
Then, periodically, another couple of generations are proclaimed by the federal government to be in the U.S. legally, by magnanimously proclaiming, “You can come out of the dark now and stay.” [sign up here for your Democratic Party voter card]
Rick Perry, as president, wants to finally seal the border and stop the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs – stop those vile cartels who traffic in human beings and drugs, and secure a dangerous, porous entry used by terrorists seeking to destroy America. The current administration is willfully enabling those who prefer border security remain as it is, those who characteristically (for self interest) want to avoid addressing and dealing with these problems.
Undeniably, Governor Perry is the GOP candidate most familiar with this issue and the problems associated with it. Texas has a long and rich history with Mexico. Mexico is the number one trading partner with America. Many U.S. citizens have Mexican ancestors who are proud Texans and Americans, many who have, are, and are willing to fight for America. Hispanics are the largest minority living in the United States. They have a high birth rate and are a major minority voting demographic. This didn’t happen because Texas shares over 1200 miles of international border with Mexico. The current magnitude of the problem, along with the number of the illegals in Texas and the United States, has everything to do with historic and current Federal inaction.
The Federal government looks to the states and tells them to “deal with it.” So state governments and their citizens have to “deal with” crime and a fast growing, uneducated population that puts a huge strain on state and federal resources. The resulting fall out for state government is, “you’re damned if you do and "you’re damned if you don’t." Gov. Perry and the Texas Legislature have accepted the criticism for taking the “damned if we do” path because they’re “dealing with it” first hand and Texans understand that "we're damned if we don't." These children are here, their potential and future has been put on our watch -- it is a practical and human decision and as Rick Perry said, “You don’t have a heart if you don’t.”
In 2001 the Texas Legislature voted in an Act (signed by Gov. Rick Perry) allowing children brought to the U.S. illegally (basically stateless people) by their parents, who complete 3 years of high school in Texas (graduate and want to attend college) to apply for U.S. citizenship and pay instate tuition. Their “anchor baby” siblings have this right by virtue of the 14th Amendment (that gave citizenship to children of slaves – slavery was abolished by the 13th Amendment). If the country wants to abolish “anchor babies,” a majority of states need to vote for a change to the U.S. Constitution. The Texas education program is called the Texas Dream Act. The Texas Dream Act is not the same as the rejected Federal Dream Act proposed by the U.S. Senate because that federal legislation in totality and reality was an immigration bill.
The purpose of the Texas Dream Act is to have successful, educated citizens contributing toward a strong economy -- not unemployed or underemployed school dropouts who place a huge drain on our system [and begin generational poverty in their communities]. As past Federal actions have repeatedly shown Texas, illegal immigrants most likely will be allowed to stay. So the smart thing to do is allow them to pay instate tuition and be contributing citizens versus benefits receiving citizens. Gov. Mitt Romney does not agree with this and in fact rejected this approach in Massachusetts.
The truth found a voice in Rick Perry. Gov. Perry has said and believes that Conservative Ascendancy is how we will bring America back from the brink. Besides getting Americans working again we need to show them the value of conservatism and how those values encourage and support strong families and a free country.
Last night former Gov. Mitt Romney sounded like a “Snidley Whiplash-Simon Legree” character, while Gov. Rick Perry was “Dudley do right” looking after “Little Orphan Annie.” How do you think Barack Obama will (or won't) play these sound bites in his re-election bid for 4 more years?
Mitt Romney wants the status quo, which continues to feed the pipeline of generational, programmed victims -- driving trapped and dependent people into the arms of the growing army of the Democratic “fight for social justice” Party. Rick Perry wants to change the status quo and bring more voters into freedom – businesses owners, entrepreneurs eager to join the Republican Conservative Ascendancy Party – no matter what their last name or color, or gender or faith. And the border must be sealed first in order to do this.
Do the math. Rush Limbaugh has. Rush, like Gov. Perry, wants everyone to succeed (not secede). Rush, like Rick Perry, knows we’re at the crossroads that will decided the future path of the United States (and the world). Will it be Perpetual Dependency or Conservative Ascendancy? Democratic Party leaders are herding us into warring camps hoping to take us on the road to socialism. The states must take back power from the Federal government and get this country back on the road to free market capitalism.
This isn’t a Sound Bite issue.
“Nice try” Mitt.
Sorry, I don’t want Perry. We need a candidate who can win the independent vote in addition to carrying the base. So far I don’t see any active Republican candidate with those strengths. But it’s early yet and much can and will happen in the next 14 months.
You do WJC proud splitting those hairs.
Residency....in the legal sense, patently implies legal residency. If they are illegal, they are not and cannot be ‘residents’....they are invaders, willing or not.
You’re fighting the good fight! Keep it up!
That still doesn’t answer the question of why we’d need to change the laws to allow them to work. So what if they’ve earned a college degree? They can now be more gainfully employed back in their homeland.
(and then try their hand at legally immigrating)
Thank you.
Where did Perry say he met her before the EO?
I’ve asked it a half-dozen times, and nobody can give me any evidence.
Why spend our money then to educate people who aren’t going to be able to be productive to the country?
This year, Perry made a crackdown on sanctuary cities an “emergency” priority in recently concluded sessions of the Texas Legislature, but the legislation never passed.
I think he said it was pointless and a waste of money to have another special session this year.
CW, You just had a poster tell you he is “amazed Jim let’s you stay on this CONSERVATIVE forum”.
Please let me show you what I said to another poster who tried that on me in another thread.
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From: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2782646/posts
(Other poster to me)
you have no business being on a conservative website.
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(My response to other poster on that thread)
I am SOOOOO glad you said just what you did!
And I hope other conservatives on here that support Rick Perry see my response, for this next thing I am going to say needs to be pointed out to those Perry supporters who get bashed in the way you just tried to do to me here.
OK Perry supporters, think about last night’s debate.
Oh... OK... that was depressing! LOL
Let’s do THIS. Think about the AUDIENCE at last night’s debate.
A CONSERVATIVE audience, right? At least for the most part. (Some silly billys may have discovered how to get in too, but we’ll say for the most part that debate audience last night was conservative.)
Hey, in fact, start thinking about ALL the debates Rick Perry has done so far in this presidential debate... three, correct? OK, think about those three audiences.
Three conservative audiences.
Well, what has happened in those debates, full of conservative individuals mind you, when Perry, or any of the others for that matter, said something they did not fully agree with?
You heard a negative response to a remark made on that issue.
What happened in those debates, full of conservative individuals mind you, when Perry, or any of the others for that matter, said something the audience approved of or appreciated?
You heard a positive response!
Those conservative individuals in those debate audiences did not throw a candidate off the stage when there was a sore issue between them.
Those conservative individuals in those debate audiences showed their DISAPPROVAL of the political stands coming out on stage... and those conservative individuals showed their APPROVAL of other stands coming out on stage.
Yet no audience to date in this campaign tossed any candidate off the stage and out of the party, and every audience came back with cheers for candidates even after they may have boo-ed that same candidate a little earlier in the debate.
So.....
We all can SEE how REAL conservatives treat their candidates by watching those REAL conservatives in REAL-LIFE situations. They have boo-ed stands, but their actions are not one of tossing a candidate out because of their “boos” on any specific issue.
To the poster here:
I am laughing at you because... “my LOGIC”???? Ah, come on.... I wasn’t even talking about any “logic” of immigration at all. I gave Rush Limbaugh’s logic, and if you think HE shouldn’t be on FR, then go tell HIM! And I gave you points that are fact but that Rick Perry never even deemed to mention last night, points that would not have made the Texas DREAM Act more appealing for many who abhor it anyway, but points that would have cleared up confusion and misinformation. Unless you LIKE confusion and misinformation, then those points should be made known.
So poster, I’m laughing at your suggestion, and I’m laughing at your result.
And to Rick Perry supporters:
Don’t let ANY bozo tell you that you are not conservative or that you should not be on a conservative message board like Free Republic just because you are a Rick Perry supporter, backing a candidate that has mostly 100% conservative values but a few that are not quite 100%.
And DON’T let people trick you into thinking we can not talk about the issues of our candidate — good OR bad. Both kinds come with EVERY candidate!
Don’t hide, and don’t hang your head low.
We know when to clap, and we know when to boo, but we will not make OUR candidate, nor his supporters, leave the debate when there is one boo. We’ll wait for all the other “clapping moments”, and we’ll go on to winning an election...
(...and we may need to talk to Rick Perry about taking some debate classes before October 1 too, LOL)
So hey..... THANKS (name omitted to protect the probably-not-so-innocent). You just gave ME some of that name of yours, and by God’s grace, I just gave some of that steel resolve to those Perry supporters out there on Free Republic too!
The latest data show 22.1 million immigrants holding jobs in the U.S. with an estimated 8 million being illegal aliens. By increasing the supply of labor between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men by an estimated $1,700 or roughly 4 percent. Among natives without a high school education, who roughly correspond to the poorest tenth of the workforce, the estimated impact was even larger, reducing their wages by 7.4 percent. The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.
The Bureau of Labor statistics for August 2011 show a national unemployment rate of 9.1 percent, including 16.7 percent for blacks and 11.3 percent for Hispanics. 25 million Americans are seeking full-time employment. Despite the economic downturn, the U.S. continues to bring in 125,000 new, legal foreign workers a month. This includes new permanent residents (Green Cards) and long-term temporary visas and others who are authorized to take a job. This makes no sense.
For a Southern governor against a former governor of MA, the fact that the race is so close should tell you something. And this was before last night's debate.
Either the DOJ is choosing not to enforce Federal immigration laws or there are ways around them. I think that the states could do a much better job of managing immigration (both legal and illegal) than the Feds have done, or could/would do. The Federal government should fulfill its Constitutional obligation by securing the borders or provide the border states the proper resources to do it themselves. The states are much closer to the people’s will than the Federal government. If we are to get a handle on immigration it will require the states to do what their respective citizens want done, IMO.
How many primary voters watched the debates?
We need both. The states can’t pass laws that determine who gets visas, the citizenship process, adjudication of immigration cases, etc. I agree that the states have a big role in enforcement. The feds need to leverage their resources.
Here’s my take...
I’m not going to agree with Perry on immigration. I respect that he defends what he thinks is right, and isn’t a finger in the wind guy like Myth. I also think those who say he is for “open borders”, etc. are being simplistic. But instate tuition is a magnet, and the point about if they are here illegally how are they going to make a living with their college education is valid. If they are citizens, then it shouldn’t be an issue in the first place.
But the fact is immigration is one issue. If I made a list of say the top 10 issues, that would be one. The other nine he is great on. So maybe he gets a 90%. Nine out of 10 is still an A, or maybe a B+. It doesn’t make him an “open borders RINO” like the hysterical Perry haters would have it.
That being said he was weak in the debate, especially when he was stumbling his way through his attack on Myth. The good news is it’s not really going to matter three months from now. But I would suggest he quit trying to use pre-written “gotcha” lines, and talk straigt, which is his strong suit. And don’t call your opponents “heartless”. But hey, this process is about making them into better candidates.
Was there a candidate on that stage who has specifically said no to some type of amnesty or other? I know everyone talks about sealing the border but what happens next?
Regarding Perry's policy, as I understand it, it's basically all graduates of Texas high schools who have spent three years in state qualify for in-state tuition.
This means that the Texas higher-ed authorities aren't tasked with performing in-depth investigations of immigration status.
Correct me if I'm wrong. This, btw, is not giving "scholarships to illegals"
I have much less of a problem with using high school graduation as a benchmark for tuition breaks than with giving free health to illegals as is done in, say, Massachusetts under RomneyCare.
I'll grant Perry should refrain from calling those expressing concern about the policy as being "without hearts".
I give up. How many?
Thank you casinva for wanting to have the conversation and thank you for understanding the issues and the problems involved.
The TRUTH found a voice in Casinva!!
Great post. Powerful insight.
FReeperesque!
Yet you say he is finished?
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