Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

So When Is Eric Holder Indicted?
Market Ticker ^ | 10/4/11 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 10/04/2011 11:00:57 AM PDT by Kartographer

New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.

On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

(Excerpt) Read more at market-ticker.org ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunrunner; perjury; specialcounsel; specialprosecutor
Hey he was just following the boss' example and voted 'Present'!
1 posted on 10/04/2011 11:00:59 AM PDT by Kartographer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Guess Holder thought he was above the law...


2 posted on 10/04/2011 11:04:04 AM PDT by GOPJ (Bibi would go toe to toe with the devil if it was the only way to save his beloved Israel.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

don’t hold your breath...


3 posted on 10/04/2011 11:04:49 AM PDT by bigbob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

This makes like the 10th F & F thread in the last hour. And more to come.

But I remain pessimistic. Most Americans have no clue what Fast & Furious is. Nor do they care. All they are interested in is how Chaz does on Dancing with the Stars.

But.. I do see more MSM attention is being given here. Maybe - just maybe - this will lead to impeachment for the Kenyan.


4 posted on 10/04/2011 11:05:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Never he is black! This would be racist by doing this so say the Black Community!


5 posted on 10/04/2011 11:07:13 AM PDT by tallyhoe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GOPJ

Once he goes, look for the house of cards to collapse. He is apparently the main player preventing a closer look to many ‘situations’ with this WH crowd.

Can’t be soon enough. Our country will be better of without this Black Panther defending, lying, race baiter.

Just keep on lyin’ ‘bout it Holder. Keep on. Just makes the inevitable even sweeter.

Mmmm...mmm...mmmmm...


6 posted on 10/04/2011 11:09:29 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

I think this is the final nail for Holder actually. By asking for a special prosecutor (I thought that law lapsed but perhaps with every other continuing resolution it is in there, who knows) it is the warning more is coming if Holder does not go. This way Issa gets his scalp, and Zero keeps his.


7 posted on 10/04/2011 11:11:08 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Cowgirl of Justice

Roger Clemens comes to mind....... OH! nevermind!


8 posted on 10/04/2011 11:12:31 AM PDT by notaliberal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Have we ever had an Attorney General go to jail? Be indicted in office? I wonder how that would work.


9 posted on 10/04/2011 11:13:23 AM PDT by SuzyQue
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Never!!! Communists in power.


10 posted on 10/04/2011 11:17:05 AM PDT by Logical me
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mouton

I don’t know...

I well recall a Special Prosecutor being set up for a thrid-rate scam called Whitewater.

We all know where THAT went. And if F&F is the (latest) scandal that finally gets the ball rolling to indict Obama - then GREAT!

Start with F&F, then add in the Rezko/Blago scandals, and a few more Chicago dirty deals, and before you know it....

Bammie is wearing stripes.

(Yeah. I know - I’m dreaming!)


11 posted on 10/04/2011 11:19:17 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: SuzyQue

John Mitchell did time.


12 posted on 10/04/2011 11:19:23 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: SuzyQue
I wonder how that would work.

One day, while minding his own business, a man who knows something that could be embarrassing or scandalous for the administration he happens to take the short cut through Marcy park and under the strain of his own personal existence takes a gun out with his non-dominate hand and puts it to his temple in a contortionist's manner and kills himself. Or while on a business trip out of the country the plane malfunctions and attempts to land short of the runway killing all on board -scandal averted, justice executed.

13 posted on 10/04/2011 11:22:30 AM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: SuzyQue

...John Mitchell, AG, Nixon Administration...


14 posted on 10/04/2011 11:23:11 AM PDT by gargoyle (...it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer
He spoke out officially about Arizona over their new Immigration Law before he admitted that he had not even read Arizonas new Immigration Law.

Now he claims he didn't understand a simple question when testifying under oath to Congress.

If he's not intentionally malevolent on his own or by orders from above, then he's just plain too incompetent or stupid to be in public office..

15 posted on 10/04/2011 11:26:02 AM PDT by digger48
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mouton

I really think the Dems are behind this because they can’t figure out how to get Obama to not run in 2012 (and/or, he has refused to consider it) without looking like “racists” to the “plantation” voters. They need Obama to be fully discredited and have a “savior” ride in and save the day before the election so they can maintain power. A few weeks ago, they trotted out Dems who talked about how Obama just wasn’t what they hoped for, and now this steady drip-drip-drip from the MSM. It’s not because the MSM “reporters” are finding their basic ethics, it’s because they are getting the orders from the party over Obama!


16 posted on 10/04/2011 11:27:00 AM PDT by Rutabega
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Indicted? What will “my people” say?


17 posted on 10/04/2011 11:36:32 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Those who love liberty love Sarah)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd
What are YOU doing to make everyone aware of Fast and Furious?

Don't criticize Freepers who are actively doing all they can to bring this issue into the light.

18 posted on 10/04/2011 11:37:29 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd

“But I remain pessimistic.”

Nice to have the company!

You’re correct in your pessimism. There is a huge gulf between the things we see and the things most of America sees.

This is not on the MSM radar screen. And the reason it isn’t tells you all you need to know about how it will be handled.


19 posted on 10/04/2011 11:37:56 AM PDT by Pessimist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]




Click the Pic               Thank you, JoeProBono

Follow the Exciting Adventures of Gary the Snail!

Abolish FReepathons
Go Monthly
Sponsoring FReepers will contribute $10
For each New Monthly Donor Sign-up

20 posted on 10/04/2011 11:40:34 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...
Still more....
I think we have legs now.............


JUST DO IT!

21 posted on 10/04/2011 11:41:43 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

22 posted on 10/04/2011 11:41:45 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

If Holder isn’t tried by a Special Prosecutor and convicted of lying to Congress, Scooter Libby should sue the DOJ. He served 3 1/2 years for getting a date wrong in his statement to the FBI during the Bush administration’s Valerie Plame fiasco.


23 posted on 10/04/2011 11:43:11 AM PDT by txrefugee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Holder has never been too smart of a guy. He is a mongrel like barry is. He is also a liar like barry...making the race they are attached to look really really bad. When all else fails just lie.


24 posted on 10/04/2011 11:43:19 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TheOldLady

Gary beat me! ROFL


25 posted on 10/04/2011 11:43:50 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Rutabega

I already put forth the ex-pres clit read the riot act to O’bummer during a recent golf game, that either O’bummer doesn’t run for reelection or everyone in his administration gets investigated then O’bummer himself.

Clit represents the Democratic money raising machine and power base, that base is not happy that they are losing money and Congress because of O’bummer and want another presidential candidate to run in this coming election.


26 posted on 10/04/2011 11:44:27 AM PDT by Razzz42
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

He’s black and he’s a Democrat. The worse that will happen is that he has to leave the DoJ “to spend more time with his family” or “to pursue opportunities in the private sector.”


27 posted on 10/04/2011 11:44:58 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MestaMachine

LOL! Yes, Gary is pretty quick for a snail. ;-)


28 posted on 10/04/2011 11:46:50 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: MestaMachine

I am VERY pleased that they are calling for a special prosecutor for Holder... I’ve a feeling HE will be the Fall Guy though and Obama will probably walk away from this!!! “It was all the DOJ” and I was clueless! I really hope that doesn’t end up being the case.


29 posted on 10/04/2011 11:48:40 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Responsibility2nd; LucyT; MestaMachine

Remember Donofrio’s briefs on Scalia and the power of the Federal Grand Jury? This is a prime example of where We The People could exercise that power! (Not that goofy, illegal American Grand Jury nonsense.)

Any legally empaneled federal grand jury, but especially one in D.C., can investigate malfeasance known to them and issue a presentment (indictment) against Holder. That puts the matter in the courts and forces Holder to resign because the U.S. Attorneys’ Office would be prosecuting the case and they work for him.

If Obama fails to approve a special counsel, the power of the federal grand jury must be exercised. Please start repeating this on GunWalker threads.

Tex

(Apologies, Lucy, but will you, pretty please, ping the group?)


30 posted on 10/04/2011 11:57:55 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: txrefugee

The special counsel investigates the matter and issues a report.


31 posted on 10/04/2011 12:01:54 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: SWAMPSNIPER

I said: But I remain pessimistic. Most Americans have no clue what Fast & Furious is. Nor do they care. All they are interested in is how Chaz does on Dancing with the Stars.

And how you read: But I remain pessimistic. Most FREEPERS have no clue what Fast & Furious is. Nor do they care. All they are interested in is how Chaz does on Dancing with the Stars.... I have no idea.


32 posted on 10/04/2011 12:09:54 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

A special prosecutor can take over twelve years to investigate.


33 posted on 10/04/2011 12:10:27 PM PDT by cruise_missile
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kartographer

Hopefully, January 21, 2012. At the latest.


34 posted on 10/04/2011 12:15:27 PM PDT by ozzymandus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mouton

I’m hoping the cornered rats fight up to the last second, that way more are implicated. I want Zero’s complicity (and Gestapitano’s, Hitlery’s, and anyone else who knew/authorized/planned/sign off on it) revealed and on the stand!


35 posted on 10/04/2011 12:15:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Pessimist; Rutabega
This is not on the MSM's radar screen.

I'll tell you what gets me depressed: clueless conservatives.

F&F not on the MSM's radar screen? Like the MSM serves some kind of objective, news reporting function as embodied in the Constitution? LOL Jeez louise, you don't think everyone and their dog isn't completely aware of what happened, including the CIA, NSA, FBI and illegal immigrant nannies?

Do yourself a favor and read Rutabega's post above. Obama is a puppet - he was put in his current position to facilitate the transfer of $trillions upon $trillions to the game players who run this country.

Do you think they want to give up this gravy train? They could hardly give a sh!t who is president, be it R or D, as along as the status quo is maintained. That means never ending deficits financed by those who earn interest off nothing.

It's the ultimate system of enrichment, and if threatened, they need to think through how to replace -0- with someone else who will keep the game going.

36 posted on 10/04/2011 12:15:51 PM PDT by semantic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: BuckeyeTexan
Any legally empaneled federal grand jury, but especially one in D.C., can investigate malfeasance known to them and issue a presentment (indictment) against Holder. That puts the matter in the courts and forces Holder to resign because the U.S. Attorneys’ Office would be prosecuting the case and they work for him. If Obama fails to approve a special counsel, the power of the federal grand jury must be exercised. Please start repeating this on GunWalker threads.

In theory, that's right, but in practice, the DOJ controls what cases the grand jury considers and what witnesses it hears. So, while a "runaway grand jury" is a theoretical possibility, I haven't heard of any case in the last 50 years where a federal grand jury even tried to indict someone that the prosecutor didn't ask them to. (If there was such a case, I'm sure someone will correct me; I can't swear there wasn't, but I've never heard of it.)

So practically speaking, there will have to be an independent special prosecutor appointed first before the grand jury indicts Holder. Congress can push for a special prrosecutor, as they did in Watergate.

37 posted on 10/04/2011 12:20:26 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: SuzyQue
Have we ever had an Attorney General go to jail? Be indicted in office? I wonder how that would work.

Nixon resigned, his VP resigned, Attorney Generals usually go quietly in the dark of night.

38 posted on 10/04/2011 12:22:38 PM PDT by USS Alaska
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: SuzyQue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre
\
Nixon’s saturday night massacre


39 posted on 10/04/2011 12:28:11 PM PDT by rolling_stone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Lurking Libertarian
Thank you! I knew I should've asked.

In theory, that's right, but in practice, the DOJ controls what cases the grand jury considers and what witnesses it hears.

But the grand jury can call any witness it wants, correct?

I haven't heard of any case in the last 50 years where a federal grand jury even tried to indict someone that the prosecutor didn't ask them to.

Maybe because they don't know they have the power to do so?

I need to look up Scalia's speech on this. I was hoping that if Obama doesn't approve a special counsel that we could get word out that any FGJ has the power to investigate, call witnesses, and indict without being directed by the DOJ.

40 posted on 10/04/2011 12:28:31 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: BuckeyeTexan
Maybe because they don't know they have the power to do so?

Probably so. And even if they did know of this power, most lay people have no idea how to draft an indictment; they depend on the prosecutor to draft it for them. And even if they tried to, there is also a Court of Appeals case from 1965 called United States v. Cox where the grand jury indicted someone that the DOJ didn't want indicted, and the court held that an indictment isn't valid unless the U.S. Attorney signs it. So even if a runaway grand jury indicts someone, the DOJ can keep the indictment from coming into effect simply by refusing to sign it. (Cox is the only federal case I've ever heard of in modern times where a runaway grand jury even tried to indict someone.)

41 posted on 10/04/2011 12:47:35 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Lurking Libertarian

Well, crap.


42 posted on 10/04/2011 1:01:54 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: semantic

Absolutely, what you said. I think they are just dripping out the Dem dissatisfaction meme (because we know that Dems are easily led by talking points) so when the SHTF for Obummer,it won’t be quite the same as it would have been for “The Messiah” a few years ago. I think O has just refused to leave, and the Dems in charge will just continue their chess game and take him out with in a way that reflects only on the bad behavior of O, and his hand-picked administration (sans Hil) and not a reflection of his race (unless they can blame it on the Repubs, in a “Ken Starr, ‘Witch hunter, spit spit” sort of way).


43 posted on 10/04/2011 1:52:11 PM PDT by Rutabega
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: SuzyQue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_N._Mitchell


44 posted on 10/04/2011 2:22:29 PM PDT by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: BuckeyeTexan
Well, crap.

Don't discount the possibility that the Congress will insist on a Special Prosecutor here.

45 posted on 10/05/2011 11:04:45 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Lurking Libertarian

I’m in the 5th circuit. So I’d test this ruling. A presentment is different from an indictment according to my novice research. An indictment requires the prosecutor’s signature to be valid, but a presentment doesn’t. It’s valid the moment the foreman signs it. (The dissent in U.S. v Cox agrees.) I’d fight them on that. Of course, I’d be excused from service at that point, but I’d still push it.

I’d be a U.S. Attorney’s worst nightmare if I ever got on a federal grand jury, don’t you think? Just enough knowledge to be a complete pain in the butt. :)


46 posted on 10/05/2011 12:47:22 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: semantic

No one’s claiming the MSM is the arbiter of truth. Far from it.

But when it comes to how this will ultimately go down, that’s a matter of politics. And if the vast majority of people are not even aware of (and they’re not), then it can be easily ignored.


47 posted on 10/06/2011 5:43:59 AM PDT by Pessimist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson